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Post by Libra on Feb 23, 2015 18:18:02 GMT -5
Check this comment from Zedd's youtube channel: "This isn't auto tune, for those of you who have zero idea how production and vocal processing works most vocals (aka all your favorite artists) most often undergo a process called pitch correction. This is where the pitches of notes are manually corrected to account for small errors in singing. This is entirely different to auto tune. Auto tune is tpain and kesha, this is pitch correction which is used on about every major label release. It doesn't mean she's a bad singer, it's simply to make the finished product sound as perfect as it can be. Educate yourselves, D**n." Is this person correct? LOL! The stanning is real. But what else can be expected from the comments section. :kii: Any way you slice it, her vocals are processed to the point of mechanicalization - probably just totally made that word up, but it's meant to mean when the processing is applied way, way too much, as is the case in this song.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Feb 23, 2015 18:25:10 GMT -5
I like this but I agree with the vocals sounding over-processed and over-corrected.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 23, 2015 18:28:06 GMT -5
Check this comment from Zedd's youtube channel: "This isn't auto tune, for those of you who have zero idea how production and vocal processing works most vocals (aka all your favorite artists) most often undergo a process called pitch correction. This is where the pitches of notes are manually corrected to account for small errors in singing. This is entirely different to auto tune. Auto tune is tpain and kesha, this is pitch correction which is used on about every major label release. It doesn't mean she's a bad singer, it's simply to make the finished product sound as perfect as it can be. Educate yourselves, D**n." Is this person correct? and FTR, I think this song is better than stay the night but not as good as break free or clarity -- The irony of that oh-so-mature comment is that the auto-tune Kesha, T-Pain and Kanye use is for an effect and says nothing about their vocal ability. The "pitch correct" he is referencing *IS* to cover up flawed singing. The "auto-tune" effect that we associate with T-Pain is created by singing deliberately off the desired key. You then, essentially, play the notes you want on a piano, and the program "adjusts" the voice to match those notes. The farther away the original vocals, the more prominent that "auto-tune effect." The whole point of this auto-tune effect is that you *HEAR* it. Kesha and Kanye aren't trying to pull the wool over your eyes and convince you that you're hearing their 100% natural voice - they're using an effect on their vocal instrument the same way you might on a guitar. -- "Pitch correct" is designed to correct undesired flaws in the vocals. The point is that you're not supposed to know it's there, because it's not being presented as an "effect" to the audience. It exists to account for the fact that the vocalist isn't perfect. If you're using this as a barometer for VOCAL ability, using subtle pitch correction is a lot more damning using a blatant auto-tune effect. -- That said, I don't know that he's right about Selena anyway. While he might be right about the "effect" being used (pitch correct vs. auto-tune), the rest of his analysis is flawed. "Pitch correct" isn't supposed to be obvious, yet the lay person *clearly* hears the effect on her voice in a way that he can't when listening to "all your favorite artists." So either Selena is absolutely terrible and needs massive help from producers - or they're using a T-Pain effect to make the vocal more interesting. The suggestion that this effect is no different than what every major label artist uses is factually untrue - it's audible to non-technical/audiophile types.
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Post by surfy on Feb 23, 2015 18:43:46 GMT -5
Why does it even matter? Everyone processes their vocals no matter what way they choose. It's the live vocals that I actually care about.
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Post by icefire9 on Feb 23, 2015 18:59:43 GMT -5
^ I find it hard to believe that Selena is so bad that they need to autotune her so noticeably for a studio recording (unless all her songs are like this? I'm not that familiar with her discography). Considering how obvious the effect is in some portions of the song (particularly, 1:52 to 1:59) it doesn't seem like they're trying to hide it.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 23, 2015 20:30:14 GMT -5
Check this comment from Zedd's youtube channel: "This isn't auto tune, for those of you who have zero idea how production and vocal processing works most vocals (aka all your favorite artists) most often undergo a process called pitch correction. This is where the pitches of notes are manually corrected to account for small errors in singing. This is entirely different to auto tune. Auto tune is tpain and kesha, this is pitch correction which is used on about every major label release. It doesn't mean she's a bad singer, it's simply to make the finished product sound as perfect as it can be. Educate yourselves, D**n." Is this person correct? and FTR, I think this song is better than stay the night but not as good as break free or clarity I'm fairly certain what that user is describing IS autotune, and that's actually the intended purpose of autotune. It's just that once someone discovered you could make your voice sound crazy with it, that became a thing to do as well. Though, I'm not 100% sure on that.
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Post by getonthebus on Feb 23, 2015 21:23:41 GMT -5
The instrumental on this is sickening, even if it does contain every cliche Zeddism.
I don't think her vocals sound overly pitch corrected at all, and I think the vocoder/reverb effect on the layer behind the lead vocal track adds a cool depth to the song and is being misheard as "autotune." It's an intentional effect for the song. I kind of can't believe we're having this conversation in 2015.
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Post by KissMyAxe on Feb 23, 2015 22:22:02 GMT -5
This is not a bad song at all but there is definitely something missing and the hook is kinda weak! It feels a bit repetitive to me, I have no problem with Selena's vocals BTW.
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Post by Libra on Feb 23, 2015 22:56:42 GMT -5
I don't really think the "processed vocal" effect in this song is a reflection on Selena, one way or the other. I think that, rather, Zedd simply chose to apply it as part of the overall production. I don't think it really goes any further than that here. Of course, processing to the degree that he did here...didn't exactly do this song any favors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 23:14:21 GMT -5
There's a difference between a vocoder and autotune. The vocal editing within the song is from a vocoder, which distorts the vocals and makes them sound more like their own "instrument", but isn't actually used for pitch correction. I'm almost positive there is autotune in the song, because it's Selena Gomez, but just because her voice is oddly distorted doesn't mean it's autotune. That is not an umbrella term.
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Post by skizzo on Feb 23, 2015 23:38:54 GMT -5
Oh who the f cares, vocodor, autotune, all of them have been used in dance music since they were made. Electronic music is electronic, and electronic vocals go hand in hand. Nobody back in the 90s cared when EDM artists were doing it, but because pop and R&B artists have abused it now no one can use it for fearing of being called "untalented". Dance music is the only genre where this type of effect should be allowed, since its almost an instrument in its own right and used as an effect.
Dont care for the song, but then I didnt like Break Free at first but ended up loving it, so who knows.
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Post by Ed The Pacifist! on Feb 24, 2015 2:55:03 GMT -5
Well I just found out this song got played 18 times on Z100 and 20 times on KIIS. Huge start for the song! Source: What song was that from the Mediabase! (KIIS hasn't finished updating yet for some reason, or maybe it's just my computer) anyways just wanted to let ya'll know that b4 I head to bed. :)
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 24, 2015 7:08:42 GMT -5
-- 34 ZEDD I Want You To Know f/S. Gomez 1366 0 1366 13.824
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Post by icefire9 on Feb 24, 2015 8:04:11 GMT -5
At #4 on iTunes and still increasing heavily well after its 24 hours of availability.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 24, 2015 9:00:10 GMT -5
Why does it even matter? Everyone processes their vocals no matter what way they choose. It's the live vocals that I actually care about. Umm, i'm not sure of that, there are people who sound exactly the same live that on record, of course those are vocal powerhouses which of course Selena is not. The use of the vocoder generally has nothing to do with correct notes out of tune, the perfect example is Pumped up kicks which use it heavily during the verses Of course electronic effects on the voice on an electronic song is not exactly the same as use autotune in an R&B song I think lately people react badly to autotune because there are too many singers that are terrible live. Of course people always name Bod Dylan when they want to critizied talent shows, but generally if you are a singer you should really sing, no matter if your voice is not expectacular, you should be able to give a good performance. And Selena is even a good example of this, after so many performances showing vocal weakness (that's not Selena's only problem because she is quite bad working the stage) she showed she is able to deliver a good vocal performance at the AMAs But that's not the point here, processed vocals on EDM is totally ok, and i think it's ok in other styles when there's a purpose for it instead some random use (Chris Brown's Don't wake me up) or simply to cover weak vocals
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 9:09:16 GMT -5
To all of you are debating Selena's singing ability. I haven't been paying much attention to the countless autotune debates I see all around the Internet and I'm not that big of a fan of Selena, but do you not all remember her AMA's performance? I think that could answer a few of your questions. And Surf said it earlier, live vocals are very important.
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Post by Daniel Collins on Feb 24, 2015 9:10:40 GMT -5
Mediabase Total:
ZEDD - I Want You To Know f/S. Gomez: 14.765 (+ 14.620)
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Post by kanimal on Feb 24, 2015 9:16:44 GMT -5
To all of you are debating Selena's singing ability. I haven't been paying much attention to the countless autotune debates I see all around the Internet and I'm not that big of a fan of Selena, but do you not all remember her AMA's performance? I think that could answer a few of your questions. And Surf said it earlier, live vocals are very important. That performance worked because of the emotion, though. She sang well, but you take out the context (and ESPECIALLY Taylor Swift's facial reaction) and you have a solid, but unspectacular performance. Look - she can definitely sing - but she's going to come under scrutiny because a) it might be intentional, but the lay person is going to dwell on that vocal effect b) this is the "biggest" pop song she's done and c) Zedd's previous pop hits involved elite vocalists. It's your choice whether any of that matters to you. But it evidently matters to the people criticizing her.
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Post by Gray. on Feb 24, 2015 10:34:19 GMT -5
To all of you are debating Selena's singing ability. I haven't been paying much attention to the countless autotune debates I see all around the Internet and I'm not that big of a fan of Selena, but do you not all remember her AMA's performance? I think that could answer a few of your questions. And Surf said it earlier, live vocals are very important. That performance worked because of the emotion, though.Β She sang well, but you take out the context (and ESPECIALLY Taylor Swift's facial reaction) and you have a solid, but unspectacular performance. Look - she can definitely sing - but she's going to come under scrutiny because a) it might be intentional, but the lay person is going to dwell on that vocal effect b) this is the "biggest" pop song she's done and c) Zedd's previous pop hits involved elite vocalists. It's your choice whether any of that matters to you.Β But it evidently matters to the people criticizing her. How is this the biggest pop song she's done? I think "Come & Get It" would like a word. I'm so meh on this autotune/vocoder/vocal correction debate. It's EDM, they do this all the time, and I think she sounds fine. We all know she does have a stronger voice than evidenced on this, and it's also not even her track. It's just a fun dance song.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 24, 2015 10:39:24 GMT -5
That performance worked because of the emotion, though. She sang well, but you take out the context (and ESPECIALLY Taylor Swift's facial reaction) and you have a solid, but unspectacular performance. Look - she can definitely sing - but she's going to come under scrutiny because a) it might be intentional, but the lay person is going to dwell on that vocal effect b) this is the "biggest" pop song she's done and c) Zedd's previous pop hits involved elite vocalists. It's your choice whether any of that matters to you. But it evidently matters to the people criticizing her. How is this the biggest pop song she's done? I think "Come & Get It" would like a word. I'm so meh on this autotune/vocoder/vocal correction debate. It's EDM, they do this all the time, and I think she sounds fine. We all know she does have a stronger voice than evidenced on this, and it's also not even her track. It's just a fun dance song. "Biggest" in terms of production/musical scope - not in terms of like, her career.
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Post by trustypepper on Feb 24, 2015 13:00:49 GMT -5
Finally found time to hear the full thing this morning.
For me, I just have higher expectations from Zedd. It's not really bad imo, just bland and basic.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 24, 2015 14:53:19 GMT -5
I am not sure if you even tried that you could get more generic than this. However, that means it will probably be huge.
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Post by Fancy on Feb 24, 2015 15:48:53 GMT -5
were expectations actually high for this? zedd is known to be same-y and selena isn't a powerhouse vocalist. i'm enjoying it for what it is and didn't expect to be blown out of the water, but it's fun.
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Post by SuperLaLaLa~ on Feb 24, 2015 18:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 24, 2015 18:39:05 GMT -5
Check this comment from Zedd's youtube channel: "This isn't auto tune, for those of you who have zero idea how production and vocal processing works most vocals (aka all your favorite artists) most often undergo a process called pitch correction. This is where the pitches of notes are manually corrected to account for small errors in singing. This is entirely different to auto tune. Auto tune is tpain and kesha, this is pitch correction which is used on about every major label release. It doesn't mean she's a bad singer, it's simply to make the finished product sound as perfect as it can be. Educate yourselves, D**n." Is this person correct? Autotune is pitch correction. That's what it was initially created to do. The "T-Pain effect" we all associate with autotune came about when it was discovered if you maximize the settings, you get that sound, which is pretty much always done on purpose for effect. The general consensus is that if you can hear the autotune, it was either done that way on purpose stylistically (ie. T-Pain, or that part on Some Nights by fun.) or it wasn't used correctly. Autotune's purpose is that you're not supposed to be able to hear it. If someone is a really poor singer, autotune, in theory, won't be able to fix their vocals without you being able to tell when a note is pulled too hard in either direction as it's being corrected. Personally, I think the criticism of autotune has become a heavy crutch for a lot of people looking for something to criticize in pop music.
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Post by Kurt on Feb 24, 2015 18:41:58 GMT -5
Isn't it just 43 or am I looking at a non-updated list? please say it's not the latter
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Post by SuperLaLaLa~ on Feb 24, 2015 19:03:35 GMT -5
Isn't it just 43 or am I looking at a non-updated list? please say it's not the latterOops, you're right, it is 43 - I was looking at One Last Time (which got 49) lol
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Post by Kurt on Feb 24, 2015 19:15:34 GMT -5
Phew; I was worried I'd have to re-copy the adds list, lmao.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 25, 2015 7:08:37 GMT -5
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Post by slamina on Feb 25, 2015 7:13:26 GMT -5
I'm literally having flashbacks to "Break Free" debuting and reading the reactions to it on this board. That ended being pretty big and I see a similar trajectory for this too. I really dig this...even more than "Break Free". KIIS is going to be all over it, I can already tell. Slay me Zedlena.
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