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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 9:57:39 GMT -5
2014 was a terrible year for mainstream rap as there wasn't a single good rap song that appeared on the year end Hot 100 charts or even charted on the Top 20, and the majority of the rap songs that have been getting popular have been off of Vine like "Lifestyle", "No Flex Zone!", "My Hitta", "No Type", "Tuesday", "Coco", "Hot Boy", "Stoner", etc. Now my question is because of this internet site, is becoming way too easy for anyone to get a record deal and get famous, but the problem is none of these rap artists on Vine possess any talent. Now commercial rap has been declining in quality for years now (I mean this is the 2014/15 equivalent of ringtone rap from the mid to late-2000's only worse), but I think this past year is reached an all-time low. Is Vine, which has become a thing blocking talented rappers from getting noticed, and should it be blamed for ruining rap even further than it has been? And please give constructive and respectful opinions.
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Post by allow that on Jan 19, 2015 11:17:10 GMT -5
2014 was a terrible year for mainstream rap as there wasn't a single good rap song that appeared on the year end Hot 100 charts or even charted on the Top 20, Oh no, this is so sad. :( Oh, so there were good rap songs blowing up afterall! Cool, problem solved. :) |
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Post by Rocky on Jan 19, 2015 11:18:16 GMT -5
No. Hip Hop is ruining Hip Hop. At least there are quite a few quality underground artists, so I'm not mad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 11:34:42 GMT -5
Lol no
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:26:07 GMT -5
2014 was a terrible year for mainstream rap as there wasn't a single good rap song that appeared on the year end Hot 100 charts or even charted on the Top 20, Oh no, this is so sad. :( Oh, so there were good rap songs blowing up afterall! Cool, problem solved. :) are you serious? Care to explain why you think they're good songs because this is not real rap music. |
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Post by horchata on Jan 19, 2015 15:33:47 GMT -5
Saw the title of this thread on the index page and knew exactly who made this lmao.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:40:02 GMT -5
Saw the title of this thread on the index page and knew exactly who made this lmao. look, don't start here, if you don't have anything insightful or relevant, don't say anything at all. |
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Post by horchata on Jan 19, 2015 15:44:22 GMT -5
Luckily this is a forum board where I or anyone for that matter can say whatever they want. You're not a moderator and are actually trying to dictate the show a little too often is laughable any rate. Don't make threads if all you are going to do is whine about people not following your "protocol". This thread is a reach, but anyway no I don't think Vine is ruining hip hop lmfao.
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 19, 2015 15:52:27 GMT -5
Yes, it's completely diminished hip-hop culture and music to 30 seconds clips of whacky ass antics, tarnishing the reputation of Hip-hop and the chances of it charting on the Billboard Hot 100. I for one would like to see these vines added into the Billboard Hot 100 methodology in order to balance out the lack of successful hip-hop as it's obvious that people do enjoy it - as shown by the vines - and that Billboard should change their methodology to reflect this.
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Post by Oprah on Jan 19, 2015 15:52:44 GMT -5
I thought Iggly Azeala was ruining hip hop?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 19, 2015 15:56:31 GMT -5
No. Iggy's legit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 16:00:12 GMT -5
Saw the title of this thread on the index page and knew exactly who made this lmao. look, don't start here, if you don't have anything insightful or relevant, don't say anything at all. "Hello, my name is pot. What's youre name, hot stuff?" "Well hello there, pot! My name is kettle! It's so nice to meet you!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 16:01:38 GMT -5
And no, Vine is not ruining hip-hop. "Too many people are listening to music I don't like" is also not ruining hip-hop. I don't like most of the songs you listed either, but maybe you should just look to other sources for your music instead of complaining about what is popular these days? I could say a lot about how record labels are ruining hip-hop but that would be a completely different tangent that you clearly aren't on right now. You're just mad b/c your tastes and mainstream aren't currently converging.
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Post by surfy on Jan 19, 2015 17:37:03 GMT -5
Oh no, this is so sad. :( Oh, so there were good rap songs blowing up afterall! Cool, problem solved. :) are you serious? Care to explain why you think they're good songs because this is not real rap music. Excuse me, good sir. Explain to me what "real rap music" is, and who gave you the power to call something you don't like inauthentic? Music is music. Whether we like that music, well that's subjective, but just because you don't like one song doesn't give you the right to say it's any less authentic than a song you do like. And to answer your question, no. Vine isn't ruining hip-hop. |
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Post by lyhom on Jan 19, 2015 17:59:41 GMT -5
lo-fuckin'-l.
Anyways, as every other sane person here has said, no, just because you don't like some songs of a certain genre that get popularized by a social media app doesn't mean that the whole genre is ruined.
Carry on.
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Post by Green Baron on Jan 22, 2015 0:23:07 GMT -5
It's not Vine, it's the virality of it.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jan 22, 2015 1:34:24 GMT -5
I don't think Vine has ruined Hip Hop. I don't think artists are making songs with the specific intent of having fans dance or engage in strange acts to them in their Vines. There might be one or two, but that's really it. Perhaps some of the songs of the moment are not so good (in your opinion) but there are some songs that people are liking that you may not and that's fine. Everyone won't like everything all the time. Perhaps some of those songs are just not getting enough airplay on other formats and/or sales to chart higher on the Hot 100. And then there is that issue of some purists feeling that the artists that get the crossover airplay on other formats don't have the street cred or are not hardcore enough for them and they view the crossover hits with disdain. The Hot 100 is supposed to be a measure of what's popular right now based on the sales, airplay, streams, etc., and it is seen by some as the definitive chart, but the format of it has always been questionable. Remember how singles released to radio without a physical release (12", CD, cassette) could not chart on the Hot 100 for years and years, then physical singles stopped and the rules were changed to allow airplay only singles to chart and then the rules were tweaked along the way, then they waited too long to add in the digital sales component, the streaming from YouTube and other platforms, etc. There's no way to make everyone happy. It's not Vine, it's the virality of it. Exactly. Vines featuring whatever song is hot right now to dance or twerk to will always be a thing. It's in vogue to do that now. Chances are something else will replace that in a year or two. MySpace was all the rage 12 years ago and look at it now (sidebar: it has been reinvented as a platform for artists and performers vs. it being the type of social network Facebook went on to become). |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jan 22, 2015 9:51:58 GMT -5
The problem isn't vine. The problem is that the hip-hop that is currently popular in the mainstream is hip-pop/party music. There is still innovative, quality hip-hop being made. J.Cole had the best selling hip-hop album of 2014, so I don't think No Flex Zone being popular on Vine is stopping more serious artists from having recognition.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 11:05:22 GMT -5
Why does billboardfan1 only ever ask the questions and never answer them???
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 22, 2015 11:13:38 GMT -5
 No Flex Zone! was a godsend last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 8:56:22 GMT -5
Why does billboardfan1 only ever ask the questions and never answer them??? fyi, I have contributed to other people's threads, not just mine, you probably have never noticed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 9:05:00 GMT -5
I get everyone's points and I do respect your opinion. Yeah, something like Vine will always be a thing and never change. Is just that I sometimes wish more quality rap (as in conscious rap) got popular once in a while. I know these songs were made as jokes and party songs, but even then, there should be more effort put into those, I mean having some lyricism and flow comes a long way and there are rappers who deliver really well even on those type of songs. But I digress, if this what people want to listen to, what can I do? I may not like it, but it is what is, all I can do is listen to my old school and underground rap and whatever substancial rap gets popular. There are those type of rap songs that I ironically do like, but for the most part I don't. But I can't stop people from liking this stuff, I just wanted people's opinions of this.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 23, 2015 12:30:00 GMT -5
Plus I think a lot of the popular or big name rappers were between albums last year.
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