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Post by 14887fan on Jan 30, 2015 19:21:49 GMT -5
Do the streams on FB count towards the Hot Country Songs? Or is it only YouTube? Just wondering. It's gotten one hell of a response in just over 4 hours already, so it'd be a shame to see the nearly 1.5 million views go "discounted." Unfortunately, I think Billboard only counts YouTube video views. Well that blows considering the video's now sitting at 1.750 million views. Didn't the same thing happen with the "Something in the Water" video, too? They debuted it on Twitter and those streams didn't count. Ah, well. Just a petty issue I'll deal with on my own. It's currently up to #66 on iTunes all-genre, so that's impressive.
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Post by surfy on Jan 30, 2015 19:39:14 GMT -5
Why do people not premiere their videos on VEVO? It doesn't make any sense, to me at least, to debut it on Facebook...
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Post by ILLUSION on Jan 30, 2015 19:49:36 GMT -5
Why do people not premiere their videos on VEVO? It doesn't make any sense, to me at least, to debut it on Facebook... I agree but it's not like she had a chance at breaking the record anyways. Hell, "Blown Away" only has 20 million views.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 30, 2015 19:50:21 GMT -5
Maybe they want more Facebook followers. Why can't they just transfer those views to VEVO like college courses. Lol
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 30, 2015 19:51:49 GMT -5
Why do people not premiere their videos on VEVO? It doesn't make any sense, to me at least, to debut it on Facebook... I agree but it's not like she had a chance at breaking the record anyways. Hell, "Blown Away" only has 20 million views. Lmao, that was definitely not the point. Nobody thought she would break the record. It's just a matter of the streaming counting towards album sales and her placement on the charts.
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Post by zjames on Jan 30, 2015 21:47:50 GMT -5
Man, I love the first verse.
In between the coats in the closet She held on to that heart shaped locket Staring at a family flawless But it ain't a pretty picture tonight
This provides such great imagery of a child dealing with inner anguish. She's hiding away from the pain and holding something that reminds her of better times and pleasant memories. "It ain't a pretty picture tonight" is a really simple line, but it hints at something darker when it's connected with the drum-heavy instrumentation and Carrie's delivery.
Mom and daddy just wouldn't stop it Fighting at the drop of a faucet Cuts through the walls catastrophic She's caught in the crossfire
I think "fight at the drop of the faucet" can mean so many different things and there's really no wrong interpretation. Initially I just thought it contributed to the imagery of the situation, but I think it means more after reading some of your comments. It plays on "at the drop of a hat" showing the parents' instant and constant fighting. I also see the interpretation that the parents are fighting over something so petty and minuscule. And "cuts through the walls catastrophic...in the crossfire" effectively shows that even when the daughter hides and tries to escape the abuse and fighting, she cannot.
Puts her hands over her ears Starts talking through her tears
This shows the daughter's reaction to being "caught in the crossfire" and leads into the powerful chorus by establishing the daughter's pain and sadness and having the listener feel sympathy for her. The imagery of a little girl crying and trying not to hear her parents fight is truly emotional and these final two lines provide that vivid visualization.
The second verse isn't quite as strong, but the song is still fantastic. My only minor gripe is that there's not too much country about it. However the song is so strong that it doesn't bother me as much as it would in a lesser song. And I love the music video too. Carrie looks beautiful (what else is new?) and I love the smoke throughout the woods scenes. It fits the instrumentation and mood of the song and really makes sense with the "no smoke, no bullets" line in the chorus. Yes the girl wishes for "no smoke", but the smoke's prevalence showed that the fighting will have an effect on the daughter nonetheless.
As you can tell from reading my lengthy post, I really love this song. I would love to see this become a huge platinum #1 hit and have a fair chance to crossover to Hot AC/CHR even though I think the subject matter might be a little too dark for those formats.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 30, 2015 23:56:57 GMT -5
twitter.com/TeamTimMcGrawDamn, a Big Machine star sending Carrie a really nice endorsement. Yet again, usually don't post about other artists but @carrieunderwood definitely had another powerful hit/video on her hands. #1hit
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Post by matty005 on Jan 30, 2015 23:59:22 GMT -5
This just looks like a fan account to me. Not the real Tim McGraw.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 0:04:04 GMT -5
This just looks like a fan account to me. Not the real Tim McGraw. Yep, was gonna say the same thing matty005. That's not Tim's official account. Still a nice comment for someone to make though :)
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 31, 2015 0:09:50 GMT -5
I love the video. She definitely didn't disappoint, and it's among her best imo. It makes me enjoy the song even more. Also, I'm really impressed with how fast this is racking up views. It's a tad disappointing that they won't count, but it's cool to see the video having a positive initial reaction.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 31, 2015 0:49:20 GMT -5
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Post by countrygirl918 on Jan 31, 2015 15:21:54 GMT -5
It's up on YouTube now too:
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 31, 2015 15:33:36 GMT -5
It's up on YouTube now too: Love the video. Carrie Underwood does not disappoint here (like does she ever put out a bad video?). Anyway, she looks amazing here. Little Toy Guns does have crossover potential like the four singles from Blown Away (the biggest being Good Girl-#1 country and #18 pop). I would rank it a ten in the powerful message department like See You Again.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 31, 2015 15:38:08 GMT -5
Little Toy Guns does have crossover potential like the four singles from Blown Away (the biggest being Good Girl-#1 country and #18 pop). You continuing to say stuff like this after being repeatedly told how ignorant and incorrect it sounds... idgi.
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Post by zjames on Jan 31, 2015 15:41:10 GMT -5
Little Toy Guns does have crossover potential like the four singles from Blown Away (the biggest being Good Girl-#1 country and #18 pop). You continuing to say stuff like this after being repeatedly told how ignorant and incorrect it sounds... idgi. Yeah, "Good Girl" didn't peak at #18 on Pop. It peaked at #18 on the Billboard Hot 100, which incorporates all genres of music based on airplay, streaming, and sales.
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Post by surfy on Jan 31, 2015 17:18:53 GMT -5
Just watched this, and I must say that the video is absolutely beautiful!!! I've had this song on repeat all week due to the anticipation of the video/single announcement! And I am obsessed with this song, and the video only added to my appreciation for it!!! Carrie looks gorgeous! The visuals were fantastic!!! Wow! One of her best videos yet!!!
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Post by jptexas on Jan 31, 2015 18:59:58 GMT -5
This just looks like a fan account to me. Not the real Tim McGraw. Yea, found out later it wasn't his official acct. I don't know if that's surprising or something that would never happen. Oh well, it was a nice comment anyway.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 2, 2015 0:21:57 GMT -5
LTG is at number 1 on iTunes country video chart SITW is at number 2 Not bad
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 2, 2015 17:27:04 GMT -5
The video had over 5,000,000 facebook plays through this AM.
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Post by ant on Feb 2, 2015 18:41:47 GMT -5
The video had over 5,000,000 facebook plays through this AM. So basically these don't count toward her streaming on the chart, correct? If so, that was a big f**k up on her team's part. I don't understand why they couldn't upload it to Vevo first and then post that link on her Facebook account.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 2, 2015 19:15:07 GMT -5
Over 5M Facebook streams? I don't know why they didn't download it to Vevo first, but there has to be an explanation. Maybe someone here knows.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 19:41:46 GMT -5
It's really not that big of a deal because the song isn't going to peak this week. The only thing that it matters for is Hot Country Songs (and Hot 100) chart positions for this week, and the song is obviously going to get a lot bigger than it is now. Cumulative video views don't mean anything when it comes to chart peaks.
I suppose they could've had a little bit more of a splashier debut if those 5 million FB views were on Vevo instead, but I don't really think most labels care about where a song debuts on Hot Country Songs, especially since the songs always fall back a bit (after their debut week) before really taking off in regards to airplay and sales.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Feb 2, 2015 21:22:20 GMT -5
I wonder if those Facebook views are a little inflated as well? I know with videos posted to facebook (not video links to Youtube/Vevo), that they automatically start playing (without sound) when you scroll by it in a news feed or if you were to go to Carrie's page. I'm not sure how much of a video has to be watched to be counted as an official "view", but if someone is scrolling through FB and watches the video for just a few seconds and then keeps scrolling, would that count as a full view?
Now, again I have no idea what the regulations are for that, so maybe the LTG video did get 5million views naturally, but I wonder if that autoplay feature helped boost some views.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 2, 2015 21:31:14 GMT -5
I wonder if those Facebook views are a little inflated as well? I know with videos posted to facebook (not video links to Youtube/Vevo), that they automatically start playing (without sound) when you scroll by it in a news feed or if you were to go to Carrie's page. I'm not sure how much of a video has to be watched to be counted as an official "view", but if someone is scrolling through FB and watches the video for just a few seconds and then keeps scrolling, would that count as a full view? Now, again I have no idea what the regulations are for that, so maybe the LTG video did get 5million views naturally, but I wonder if that autoplay feature helped boost some views. That video has not ONCE played when scrolling onto their page or in my news feed. They have counters that require at least 1/2 a running time for a view to count for most audio and video sites. Not unlike the last.fm scrobbers.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 2, 2015 21:48:14 GMT -5
The video had over 5,000,000 facebook plays through this AM. So basically these don't count toward her streaming on the chart, correct? If so, that was a big f**k up on her team's part. I don't understand why they couldn't upload it to Vevo first and then post that link on her Facebook account. I made this point in Carrie's thread in the General Artist Discussion, A-J forum, but I'll repeat it here. This was a video debut for a song that had gotten little to no airplay so far. With all due respect to Carrie and her fanbase, I don't believe there is any way that it would have garnered anything close to five million video plays with a standard premiere at this point, with such limited awareness of the song. Considering that Carrie's team has been touting "Something in the Water"'s seven weeks atop the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart in press release after press release, I don't think for a second that her team was unaware of the possibility (/probability/fact) that the initial streams would not count on the Hot Country Songs chart. So in this case (unlike the airplay charts where Sony Nashville has a history of mismanagement over the past couple of years), I'm more inclined to consider why her team chose a Facebook-embedded premiere than to assume it just screwed up. In this case, as I mentioned in the aforementioned post, Carrie's team had already done a Facebook-based reminiscence campaign to lead up to the release of her first hits set. Carrie's team had also experimented with a Twitter premiere of the video for "Something in the Water." Based on these precedents, it appears to me that her team has put an extra emphasis on Carrie's social media accounts to raise awareness among her core fans of new releases. From that point of view, and considering that they chose to debut the video prior to "Little Toy Guns" seeing much airplay (meaning the song had little chance of soaring to #1 on Hot Country Songs this week, anyway), the choice to debut the video on Facebook over a VEVO premiere seems like a deliberate move to create an event that would raise awareness among Carrie's core fans about the song. Now, the question is, why do a Facebook-embedded video instead of a VEVO link/embed that is exclusive to Facebook? Well, a VEVO link would have been inaccessible to international fans -- a strike against it, even if Carrie's fanbase is primarily North American. Does VEVO even have the capability to do a Facebook-exclusive embed that can then be shared across the Facebook platform? So if Carrie's team wanted to do an exclusive Facebook premiere, VEVO may not have been a viable option. One more note, purely speculation on my part. The high view count on the Facebook video could just be a sign of a really successful targeted video debut. But it could also be an indication that in exchange for the exclusive, Facebook offered enhanced placement of the video on people's feeds to increase the odds that it would draw attention and be seen (something along the line of promoted tweets, slightly increasing the size of the post with the embedded video, etc.). And if Carrie's team's ultimate goal by debuting the video ahead of meaningful airplay was to define the song visually for as many people as possible (especially because of the nature of the lyric), then the possibility of enhanced placement via Facebook would not only be a reasonable way to go, it may have been the best way to go. Because again, a standard VEVO premiere would almost certainly not attract this many plays before "Little Toy Guns" garners airplay. There is a reason "Something in the Water"'s video (for example) debuted about a month after the song hit the airwaves. The Facebook embedded video also included a direct link to iTunes to Carrie's Greatest Hits album/"Little Toy Guns." The fact that the song then shot up briefly into the top-10 among country songs at iTunes and is still sitting in the top-15 is a testament to the success of the premiere. It looks to me like streaming on Spotify and on YouTube (of fan-uploaded audio of the song) have increased significantly, too. All of this speaks to the success of the endeavor, in my view. And if "Little Toy Guns" connects as widely as fans are hoping, the fact that its YouTube/VEVO count will be missing what would have been a smaller than five million spike from a debut on the VEVO platform won't matter.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 2, 2015 22:13:35 GMT -5
More than youtube/VEVO counts toward streaming, but I don't think facebook is currently monitored by Billboard. But as has been said, there are other advantages to a facebook premiere that maybe the label thinks outweighs the chart points.
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 4, 2015 15:55:55 GMT -5
Little Toy Guns makes its debut at #17 on the digital songs chart with 14,000 downloads. 31,000 have been scanned to date.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 4, 2015 16:50:50 GMT -5
^^'Not bad, considering I haven't heard it yet. I think the official release date is Feb 16, but when does radio ever follow that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 20:10:37 GMT -5
^^'Not bad, considering I haven't heard it yet. I think the official release date is Feb 16, but when does radio ever follow that. The 16th is the adds date, so yes, "Little Toy Guns" will get a lot of adds then. But many stations won't wait 'til then to add it and start playing it. LTG was actually sent to radio on Friday (the 30th) already, which means that it will easily chart on next Monday's Billboard (airplay) chart. An artist like Carrie probably doesn't need an adds date to encourage radio stations to play her songs, but it's still a good policy from the label side of things.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 5, 2015 21:44:25 GMT -5
Off topic: I've been searching, does anyone know where the Grammy discussion is?
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