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Post by wheatsquares33 on Jun 14, 2015 18:20:28 GMT -5
I can't see this going into the top 10. I don't think it will escape the 30s, or lower 20s at best, but I've been wrong before. Especially with all the Triple A crossovers lately. I definitely like this one better than Hold Back the River and Budapest, though.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 15, 2015 19:45:43 GMT -5
#1 on Billboard AAA.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 21, 2015 6:08:37 GMT -5
#1 on AAA:
2 1 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 604 617 -13 1.225
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 28, 2015 6:05:23 GMT -5
Top 30 on Alternative:
40 29 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 466 321 145 1.363
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Post by Cody on Jun 28, 2015 21:01:27 GMT -5
Errr, I'm not so sure about this one. Alright, I'm sure about it now. Sure that it's an absolute, utter piece-o-crap (IMO). They sound like the kind of band that would play in a B-list city's pubs and hipster bars on a Tuesday night. Why, oh why does there always have to be one of these insufferable AAA-crossovers on Alternative at any given time? I like most of them, but this is the 3rd car of the train led by Take Me To Church and followed by Budapest. How the hell does that train keep on chuggin' along?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 28, 2015 21:06:13 GMT -5
Why, oh why does there always have to be one of these insufferable AAA-crossovers on Alternative at any given time? I like most of them, but this is the 3rd car of the train led by Take Me To Church and followed by Budapest. How the hell does that train keep on chuggin' along? Sorry :kii:
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jun 28, 2015 21:11:31 GMT -5
Errr, I'm not so sure about this one. Alright, I'm sure about it now. Sure that it's an absolute, utter piece-o-crap (IMO). They sound like the kind of band that would play in a B-list city's pubs and hipster bars on a Tuesday night. Why, oh why does there always have to be one of these insufferable AAA-crossovers on Alternative at any given time? I like most of them, but this is the 3rd car of the train led by Take Me To Church and followed by Budapest. How the hell does that train keep on chuggin' along? Lol, I can safely say I haven't truly liked a single AAA-Alternative crossover released in the recent year ("Hold Back the River" is decent, though).
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jun 29, 2015 0:53:09 GMT -5
Top 30 on Alternative: 40 29 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 466 321 145 1.363 It's time for the classic quote WTF Alt?
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Post by bluestar4 on Jun 29, 2015 9:57:27 GMT -5
Yeah... this should have stayed on AAA.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jun 30, 2015 0:59:28 GMT -5
All joking aside. I wonder if anyone knows what the requisits are for AAA songs to cross over to Alt and who chooses which ones get the green light? Daryl? Any insights?
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 30, 2015 1:12:19 GMT -5
All joking aside. I wonder if anyone knows what the requisits are for AAA songs to cross over to Alt and who chooses which ones get the green light? Daryl? Any insights? Ask the record labels promoting the songs and the listeners of alternative radio whether they like the songs (if they like the songs, they'll obviously be played more)
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 5, 2015 20:05:43 GMT -5
Top 20 on Alternative:
27 20 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 622 466 156 1.588
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 5, 2015 20:15:40 GMT -5
Well this just suddenly rocketed out of nowhere
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jul 6, 2015 2:01:02 GMT -5
Top 20 on Alternative: 27 20 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 622 466 156 1.588 that is not a good sign :(
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 6, 2015 2:59:28 GMT -5
Stay tuned:
The Head and the Heart and The Avett Brothers score their first top 10 Alternative hits in 2016.
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Post by bluestar4 on Jul 6, 2015 10:44:16 GMT -5
The next AAA top 10 song on Alternative once "Hold Back The Payola" falls out of it? Seems likely.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 6, 2015 11:11:33 GMT -5
I like this song, so it didn't receive payola.
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Post by wheatsquares33 on Jul 6, 2015 11:14:12 GMT -5
Wow, this is doing a lot better than I expected...I'm in the minority here, but I'd like to see this go Top 10. If Hold Back the River can go Top 10, I don't know why this can't.
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Post by ben777 on Jul 6, 2015 11:24:57 GMT -5
The next AAA top 10 song on Alternative once "Hold Back The Payola" falls out of it? Seems likely. There's no way a song which takes 3 months to reach the Top 10 is being payola'd
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Post by Cody on Jul 6, 2015 13:17:44 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous.
I actually think some people here think "indie-folk" and "payola" are synonymous. I hate this song with a burning passion, but we really need to stop accusing EVERY indie-folk song that does well of being payola-driven.
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Post by ben777 on Jul 6, 2015 15:39:45 GMT -5
^Really don't even understand how a completely payola-driven song would work for more than a week or so - if stations were receiving under the table money to play songs people didn't like, they'd be losing all the money they got under the table on ratings going down, no?
And songs like Renegades and Hold Back The River that have high or decent sales, compared to other Alt tracks, wouldn't need to be payola'd, bc listeners are most likely requesting them
I think some people here think songs that seem out of format are being payola'd, when they're probably just being promoted to a format that Pulse bloggers aren't used to
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Post by Troy on Jul 6, 2015 16:32:38 GMT -5
my guess is that these AAA-crossover hits (Take Me To Church, Riptide, Stolen Dance, Budapest, Hold Back The River, Sedona - seems endless huh?) have a broader appeal than the core Alternative audience...most Alternative stations want to expand their listeners (to make more money) so they reach for songs like this, that in all honesty are somewhat respectable but dreadfully dull imo...these songs usually end up on my personal charts because i have such a fast-moving playlist that i'm always needing more songs to add...but i never let these songs climb very high because, like i said, although respectable, are kinda boring
so Alternative programmers have to walk a fine line...they want to find mainstream songs like these that won't totally alienate their core audience...i remember back in the late 90s when a Minneapolis Alternative-ish station decided to play a new Celine Dion song...needless to say that shot their credibility to hell & they bled listeners so fast that they were gone within a month
so these are highly market-tested songs that they realize that they can "get away with" so they don't make the true Alt fans leave in droves
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Post by Cody on Jul 6, 2015 17:08:51 GMT -5
my guess is that these AAA-crossover hits (Take Me To Church, Riptide, Stolen Dance, Budapest, Hold Back The River, Sedona - seems endless huh?) have a broader appeal than the core Alternative audience...most Alternative stations want to expand their listeners (to make more money) so they reach for songs like this, that in all honesty are somewhat respectable but dreadfully dull imo...these songs usually end up on my personal charts because i have such a fast-moving playlist that i'm always needing more songs to add...but i never let these songs climb very high because, like i said, although respectable, are kinda boring so Alternative programmers have to walk a fine line...they want to find mainstream songs like these that won't totally alienate their core audience...i remember back in the late 90s when a Minneapolis Alternative-ish station decided to play a new Celine Dion song...needless to say that shot their credibility to hell & they bled listeners so fast that they were gone within a month so these are highly market-tested songs that they realize that they can "get away with" so they don't make the true Alt fans leave in droves Which goes back to what I've said a few times before. Pulse is a TERRIBLE representation for what the actual alternative listener-base is. This is a forum for music enthusiasts, and more specifically this specific part of the forum is full of people who love both rock AND alternative music. A good chunk of us are also from the 00s era, where the alternative music was very different than it is now. The average alternative listener isn't this enthusiast with a dual-taste for multiple formats, nor does the average alt listener today date back to the 00s era. This is why indie-folk songs get poor reviews here, and why we aren't a very strong or accurate representation of the alternative listener base.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jul 6, 2015 17:38:31 GMT -5
There is ZERO way this is Payola, and I can tell you exactly why. It started off becoming a favorite by independent radio stations about three-four months ago (Lightning 100 Nashville, CD102.5 Columbus, both AWESOME stations by the way, and play tons of indie-folk..because Clear Channel and Cumulus don't make their playlists) so I highly doubt radio stations would be told to play this when it can be added on it's own, just because people like it. I can tell you, not only in this forum, but in real life, a lot of people do not like X-Ambassadors. Just because it is somewhere on the iTunes or Spotify chart doesn't mean anything, a lot of people will buy songs they get stuck in their head because they hear it so freaking much, IE payola, and that's how and why it works.
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Post by ben777 on Jul 6, 2015 17:54:20 GMT -5
Pulse is a TERRIBLE representation for what the actual alternative listener-base is. I think that's because we have Active and Alternative in the same forum - there's nothing wrong with that, except if people who don't like a certain style of music go into the threads and tear the songs apart, or accuse stations playing those songs of payola, it kind of skews the reviews of the song on Pulse
Back in the early-mid 2000s, the Alternative radio audience was mostly male, and largely overlapped with Active Rock - today, the Alt radio audience is about 50-50 male/female, and prob. much less overlapped with Active, again bc of all the females flipping back and forth from CHR
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Post by ben777 on Jul 6, 2015 18:05:15 GMT -5
Sorry, but that's absolutely absurd - if a lot of Alt listeners didn't like X Ambassadors, they would be changing the station, calling in to say it sucks, etc., and stations would be dropping it immediately, so they didn't start losing sponsors
And the part about people buying a song they don't really like just because it's stuck in their head from stations playing it so much is (sorry) just insane IMO
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Post by ben777 on Jul 6, 2015 18:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by No Brake$ on Jul 6, 2015 18:17:20 GMT -5
Totally disagree, like a commercial, if you hear it or see it enough, people will want it. It's literally a commercial. I guess we'll see a year from now in how it is doing with recurrent, I assume Alex Clare isn't charting too well. But I genuinely believe if they force something on enough people, idiots will purchase, and we all know, there's a lot of idiots out there.
I just must be around the wrong people, but I can say I have contact with a lot people ages 15-33, none of them have anything good to say about it, then again, I am in Texas, and there is quite possibly something in the water.
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Post by ben777 on Jul 6, 2015 18:23:00 GMT -5
I just must be around the wrong people, but I can say I have contact with a lot people ages 15-33, none of them have anything good to say about it, then again, I am in Texas, and there is quite possibly something in the water. Are you sure you're hanging out with people who listen to the mainstream commercial Alternative stations in Texas (The Edge/The Buzz?)
If you're hanging out with people who stream Lightning 100 or CD102.5, IMO they're opinion isn't going to matter when it comes to AlternaPop stations - Lightning 100 BTW is largely privately funded, I think by local Nashville record labels in order to get exposure for their newer artists, so they don't have to worry about their ratings - it's not a model that commercial Alt stations can use if they want to make any money at all
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Post by No Brake$ on Jul 6, 2015 18:54:00 GMT -5
You are absolutely right Ben777. Houston has an Active Rock station that leans Alternative, but anything in Top 5 currently will likely only get something like 14 spins a week. I live in two different cities\parts of the country, many different musical backgrounds, and it just seems like this song is musically hated.
Regardless, while I disagree with your earlier comments, you definitely know what you are talking about.
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