heybren22
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Post by heybren22 on May 23, 2015 0:00:36 GMT -5
What is happening with this era?
I know she said somewhere she wanted to release songs she wouldn't get tired of singing after 5 years, but girl, the plan's not working. Please get back to radio-friendly mode, thanks.
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Post by jjose712 on May 23, 2015 8:01:18 GMT -5
The good thing is that she didn't release the album, so she can start all over again.
It's curious that she said about the timeless songs, because i don't get that vibe from any of the new releases (but i get that timeless vibe from Stay).
The curious thing is that she didn't even flopped hard, 45S was a risk, and probably (given how divisive it was even for hardcore fans) would flopped if it wasn't the first single in a long time with two big names attached, but the truth is the song was a hit, maybe not as big as you expect from a lead single from Rihanna but big anyway. Bitch better have my money flopped on pop, but it was a top 20 hit on the hot 100, so not that bad.
But even before the release of AO there was a sense of underperforming (probably because her fans are used to big hits). In my opinion the big problem with this song is that it never deliver what it promises. From the beginning it looks bound to be a big epic ballad but it falls midway.
Every big artist with a long career has weak eras from time to time. She is taking some risks, the problem is in my opinion that this is not Russian Roulette, in this case is not people not connecting with a good song due to the change of sound, the problem is the songs not being as good as expected.
Now she needs a big hit that put her in the right path again, but for someone with so many hits under her belt it should not be that difficult turn this around
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Post by divasummer on May 23, 2015 9:57:52 GMT -5
Only the US wasn't into Russian Roulette. Wasn't it huge around the rest of the world?
I completely agree with the above poster. It seems like American Oxygen is going to be epic but, it's just kind of boring though.
I still Love "BBHMM". I can see why CHR wouldn't play it that much though. She says "Bitch" so much in the song it can get a little jarring. I know the word is commonly used in society but I try to change the song when I'm around kids and elders. If they made a clean version, maybe using the word "Chick" instead of "Bitch" it probably would have received more love from Top 40.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 24, 2015 11:33:19 GMT -5
This era has turned out exactly like ARTPOP, to the T.
1st single hits #4. 2nd single peaks in the teens and doesn't have a video. 3rd single bombs and peaks in the 70's.
That's a crazy, strange coincidence.
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Post by jjose712 on May 24, 2015 15:55:44 GMT -5
Only the US wasn't into Russian Roulette. Wasn't it huge around the rest of the world? I completely agree with the above poster. It seems like American Oxygen is going to be epic but, it's just kind of boring though. I still Love "BBHMM". I can see why CHR wouldn't play it that much though. She says "Bitch" so much in the song it can get a little jarring. I know the word is commonly used in society but I try to change the song when I'm around kids and elders. If they made a clean version, maybe using the word "Chick" instead of "Bitch" it probably would have received more love from Top 40. Russian Roulette was his biggest single in Spain when it was released (with the exception of Umbrella), then she had some big hits here like We found love or Diamonds. In Portugal was a hit too, and it was number 2 on UK with a good chart run. It was a pity it flopped (well at least it was top 10 on the hot 100) in the USA because in my opinion it's one of her best songs
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Post by NeRD on May 24, 2015 17:08:25 GMT -5
Whatever the ICON is still Queen and Katheryn will continue to be a disrespected mess. Bloop!
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 24, 2015 17:22:42 GMT -5
She certainly won't keep up success with poor material, even if it is well-produced.
This just isn't a great song, that's all. That's not me saying she should record a full-on pop record, but if she/her label are after a hit, they need something stronger.
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Post by hitseeker. on May 25, 2015 8:44:00 GMT -5
...ok
35 34 RIHANNA American Oxygen 1859 1824 35 5.756
+67 Spins +36 Bullet +0.754 AI
iTunes: #152
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Post by josh on May 25, 2015 8:58:33 GMT -5
Got played on AT40.
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Post by hitseeker. on May 25, 2015 10:08:59 GMT -5
Oh ok, so that was the reason
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Post by wjr15 on May 25, 2015 10:15:18 GMT -5
Heard this on the radio a couple of times over the weekend and it actually sounds really good after a few listens.
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Post by foxxden on May 25, 2015 14:27:27 GMT -5
I still can't believe we are this far into her pre-album cycle and she hasn't released a sure fire pop jam for the summer. Rihanna isn't influential enough to get away with releasing experimental/edgy material and chalking it up to "artistic integrity". Her music has typically been writer/producer driven with the sole basis of sounding great when you are drunk dancing in a club so that is what people have come to expect from her and she needs to deliver in order to be successful this era.
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Post by jjose712 on May 25, 2015 15:10:02 GMT -5
I think the big problem with AO is that never delivers what it promises. When you start to hear it you expect and epic atmospheric ballad but that epicness never comes. It's not that bad as album song, but it's not single material
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Post by NeRD on May 25, 2015 15:10:07 GMT -5
I still can't believe we are this far into her pre-album cycle and she hasn't released a sure fire pop jam for the summer. Rihanna isn't influential enough to get away with releasing experimental/edgy material and chalking it up to "artistic integrity". Her music has typically been writer/producer driven with the sole basis of sounding great when you are drunk dancing in a club so that is what people have come to expect from her and she needs to deliver in order to be successful this era. As if Stay or Diamonds doesn't exist. Its so annoying when people try and put her in a box when she has proven time and time again the ability to step outside her comfort zone and still be successful.
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Post by jjose712 on May 25, 2015 15:14:06 GMT -5
I still can't believe we are this far into her pre-album cycle and she hasn't released a sure fire pop jam for the summer. Rihanna isn't influential enough to get away with releasing experimental/edgy material and chalking it up to "artistic integrity". Her music has typically been writer/producer driven with the sole basis of sounding great when you are drunk dancing in a club so that is what people have come to expect from her and she needs to deliver in order to be successful this era. As if Stay or Diamonds doesn't exist. Its so annoying when people try and put her in a box when she has proven time and time again the ability to step outside her comfort zone and still be successful. Diamonds and specially Stay are what i thought when she was refering to timeless songs, the problem is that this new three singles are not even near the quality of Stay and Diamonds. It's not that she is not creative or take risks, but she is basically a hitmaker, there are artist that can go and be successful with an album without hits (generally if they have a strong adult following) but i don't think that's Rihanna's case. She sells albums, she is not Jason Derulo by any means, but her album sales are small in comparission with her singles sales
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Post by foxxden on May 25, 2015 18:30:37 GMT -5
As if Stay or Diamonds doesn't exist. Its so annoying when people try and put her in a box when she has proven time and time again the ability to step outside her comfort zone and still be successful. Diamonds and specially Stay are what i thought when she was refering to timeless songs, the problem is that this new three singles are not even near the quality of Stay and Diamonds. It's not that she is not creative or take risks, but she is basically a hitmaker, there are artist that can go and be successful with an album without hits (generally if they have a strong adult following) but i don't think that's Rihanna's case. She sells albums, she is not Jason Derulo by any means, but her album sales are small in comparission with her singles sales Exactly. One or two artistic songs are greatly outnumbered by the 10-20 producer driven pop hits. I'll give you "Stay" - possibly the best song she's ever released but Sia was the brainchild behind "Diamonds" and that song was supposed to go to several other artists (Beyonce included) so Rihanna merely got lucky or had good people working for her to fight for that song.
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Post by jjose712 on May 26, 2015 4:15:20 GMT -5
Diamonds and specially Stay are what i thought when she was refering to timeless songs, the problem is that this new three singles are not even near the quality of Stay and Diamonds. It's not that she is not creative or take risks, but she is basically a hitmaker, there are artist that can go and be successful with an album without hits (generally if they have a strong adult following) but i don't think that's Rihanna's case. She sells albums, she is not Jason Derulo by any means, but her album sales are small in comparission with her singles sales Exactly. One or two artistic songs are greatly outnumbered by the 10-20 producer driven pop hits. I'll give you "Stay" - possibly the best song she's ever released but Sia was the brainchild behind "Diamonds" and that song was supposed to go to several other artists (Beyonce included) so Rihanna merely got lucky or had good people working for her to fight for that song. I remember people complaining when she released Stay (well, let's be honest, people including fans always complain no matter what she release) and i thought they were crazy, the song was amazing. In fact i remember Adam Lambert singing a version of Stay and thinking if he was able to release a song like that his career will explode for sure. I don't think Rihanna will have a problem to recover. Unless the other pop divas her career is full of flops, she had underperformning singles from the very beginning, and she always came back like nothing happened, generally with a big big hit. Most artist suffer when their singles underperform, in some cases its even worse. But she is atypical, most artist can't release as many singles as she released without people getting tired of them, but people never get tired of Rihanna (at least till now). The only thing she needs it's to find a hit single, and have a good plan for the release of the album, and this will be nothing more than an annecdote
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Post by VANDROSS on Aug 4, 2015 12:19:54 GMT -5
Pulse Music is the only website/discussion forum I've seen show disdain for any of Rih's recent music. How old are y'all?
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Post by allow that on Aug 4, 2015 14:11:32 GMT -5
Pulse Music is the only website/discussion forum I've seen show disdain for any of Rih's recent music. How old are y'all? Nice first post :)
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Post by divasummer on Aug 4, 2015 14:22:11 GMT -5
Pulse Music is the only website/discussion forum I've seen show disdain for any of Rih's recent music. How old are y'all? 38 and I happen to love "Bitch Better Have My Money" and I got used to "Four Five Seconds" but "American Oxygen" is just boring and what I can remember of it not even that catchy. I remember when I first heard it I thought during the first minute or so it sounded like it was going to be good. It just dragged though and was pretty "uneventful" in my opinion. I think I know what they were going for after seeing her "SNL" performance but like the performance itself the song fell flat too.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 4, 2015 14:24:43 GMT -5
Pulse Music is the only website/discussion forum I've seen show disdain for any of Rih's recent music. How old are y'all? This recent ****Rihanna**** single didn't cross 100K in sales. The dislike isn't just a Pulse thing.
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Post by Libra on Aug 4, 2015 14:29:43 GMT -5
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