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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 12, 2015 9:33:08 GMT -5
lmao! I thought this was the Madonna album thread for a second. Phew! How will Kelly's second week look? Oooh. sales/streaming/TEAs 25-30k? pure album sales 20k?
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Post by Caviar on Mar 12, 2015 9:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 12, 2015 10:32:28 GMT -5
Madonna had much huge advantages than other competitors. She's got total 4 weeks of worldwide big banner advertisement on iTunes main page and almost 3 months of pre-order. Other than that, performances on Grammy and Brit awards before album release. Plus, another album/ticket bundles since MDNA album. These are all unusual way to manipulate and inflate first week sales. She is so obsessed with debuting at #1. Except this time the concert bundles don't include physical copies and only presales for a couple dates will even count for her first week. Regardless I don't see how iTunes banners and performing your current single on tv are "unusual manipulation." Madonna doesn't promote and she's called delusional and out of touch for thinking her name and cache alone will sell her music. Madonna does promote and she's called desperate and obsessed with hitting #1. So what is she supposed to do in your eyes?
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 12, 2015 10:37:49 GMT -5
How will Kelly's second week look? I'm gonna guess between 40-50k
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 12, 2015 14:41:28 GMT -5
Tonight's Empire will probably break a 6.0 in the 18-49 for the first time, so the soundtrack could probably soar past 150k in sales by the end of the tracking week. It actually went down to a 5.6 compared to last week's 5.8. Personally, I didn't feel like the music was showcased that well, probably better next week.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 12, 2015 14:50:51 GMT -5
^It usually adjusts up, but, still, 5.7 is beyond great for the numbers. I don't think it needed to showcase the music all that well- it inched up to No. 1 on iTunes.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 12, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -5
Tonight's Empire will probably break a 6.0 in the 18-49 for the first time, so the soundtrack could probably soar past 150k in sales by the end of the tracking week. It actually went down to a 5.6 compared to last week's 5.8. Personally, I didn't feel like the music was showcased that well, probably better next week. The audience, which is what matters here, went up though.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 12, 2015 15:44:50 GMT -5
It actually went down to a 5.6 compared to last week's 5.8. Personally, I didn't feel like the music was showcased that well, probably better next week. The audience, which is what matters here, went up though. Audience went up 400k viewers
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 12, 2015 15:48:32 GMT -5
The audience, which is what matters here, went up though. Audience went up 400k viewers Exactly
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Post by ss8 on Mar 12, 2015 16:08:47 GMT -5
Madonna and her team clearly knew theyd beat Luke but 'obviously' had NO idea about Empire in any way lol. They sooo prob. wished they released it last week now! Woulda been a slam dunk #1 (as much as I love Kelly) Madonna easily would've been #1 in the US (yet lost in the UK). Now it's looking like it'll be reversed. No doubt they def. were totally bullish about BOTH countries having the same results ://.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 12, 2015 16:22:30 GMT -5
Tonight's Empire will probably break a 6.0 in the 18-49 for the first time, so the soundtrack could probably soar past 150k in sales by the end of the tracking week. It actually went down to a 5.6 compared to last week's 5.8. Personally, I didn't feel like the music was showcased that well, probably better next week. Empire adjusted up to 5.8 in demo in finals. And, yes, the music was not a highlight this week. Not sure the track equivalents will be anywhere near last week. 34, 35, 84 on iTunes. Much higher last week with more tracks.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 12, 2015 16:25:00 GMT -5
Audience went up 400k viewers Exactly Audience doesn't always equate to more sales, my point is the show did not explode yesterday, obviously did well and has been doing well, I don't think the soundtrack will be strong physically, but we'll see.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 12, 2015 16:44:17 GMT -5
Audience doesn't always equate to more sales, my point is the show did not explode yesterday, obviously did well and has been doing well, I don't think the soundtrack will be strong physically, but we'll see. It increased its audience by 600K from last week with more than 14.9 million viewers. That's a big increase. It maintained its series high from last week as well.
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Post by Oprah on Mar 12, 2015 17:09:16 GMT -5
The Empire soundtrack really should've been released back in January so that it would've seen a boost each week when a new episode aired. It will be interesting to see how it holds up - the show is massive, but I wouldn't say Timbaland's awful music is really what's drawing people in.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 12, 2015 17:46:16 GMT -5
Madonna.com has just sent an email reminder to redeem the album and to share with friends, etc. Come on #1!
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Post by cause_for_celebration on Mar 12, 2015 18:14:29 GMT -5
Madonna.com has just sent an email reminder to redeem the album and to share with friends, etc. Come on #1! Yay! I just downloaded my copy =] third copy for me + Spotify! Haha. I hope it gets to No. 1 but I have a feeling it will miss it thanks to Empire.
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 12, 2015 18:18:53 GMT -5
Remember Madonna potentially has an ace in the hole, her first bit of concert ticket bundle digital redemptions.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 12, 2015 18:28:27 GMT -5
2015
YOUR TOP 15: EMPIRE VS. THE EMPRESS
It Looks Like a Battle for the Top Spot on our Sales Plus Streaming (SPS) Chart
Yesterday's iTunes outages are affecting the forecasts for next week, with wonderers wondering how many consumers either resorted to physical retail during the store's downtime or simply lost the impulse to buy. In any case, it could still be a battle for #1 as our margin of error today is somewhat greater due to the aformentioned outages. Empire still gets the edge. Here’s what we think headed into the weekend
Empire Soundtrack (Twentieth Century Fox/Columbia) 110-120k (90-95k sales) *Madonna (Live Nation/Interscope) 110-120k (105-115k sales) *Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville) 100-110k (90-95k sales) Fifty Shades of Grey (Republic) 65-70k (35-40k sales) Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 65-70k (35-40k sales) Drake (YMCMB/Republic) 50-55k (25-28k sales) Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 50-55k (25-28k sales) Sam Smith (Capitol) 50-55k (30-35k sales) Maroon 5 (222/Interscope) 40-45k (14-17k sales) Big Sean (G.O.O.D/Def Jam) 35-40k (18-21k sales) Kelly Clarkson (RCA) 35-40k (24-27k sales) Meghan Trainor (Epic) 35-40k (20-23k sales) Nicki Minaj (YMCMB/Republic) 27-30k (9-11k sales) Hozier (Columbia) 27-30k (12-15k sales) Imagine Dragons (KidinaKorner/Interscope) 25-28k (19-22k sales)
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 12, 2015 18:30:06 GMT -5
I think Madonna is #1 and this all for drama.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 12, 2015 18:30:29 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=295038YOUR TOP 15: EMPIRE VS. THE EMPRESS It Looks Like a Battle for the Top Spot on our Sales Plus Streaming (SPS) Chart Yesterday's iTunes outages are affecting the forecasts for next week, with wonderers wondering how many consumers either resorted to physical retail during the store's downtime or simply lost the impulse to buy. In any case, it could still be a battle for #1 as our margin of error today is somewhat greater due to the aformentioned outages. Empire still gets the edge. Here’s what we think headed into the weekend:
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 12, 2015 18:41:02 GMT -5
The Empire soundtrack really should've been released back in January so that it would've seen a boost each week when a new episode aired. It will be interesting to see how it holds up - the show is massive, but I wouldn't say Timbaland's awful music is really what's drawing people in. Honestly, they did not anticipate Empire being this massive hit. In fact, there was an interview in Deadline with the Executive Producer talking about how many artists said 'no' to appearing on the show. Courtney Love was the one who took a leap of faith. They were already filming the 9th episode when it debuted - only three left after that. Of course, now the scramble is on with a lot of the 'no's' calling up and begging to be on the show in S2. The timing for the ST worked out because several tracks sold decently and now that it is heading to finale, it's really selling. If FOX had any idea this would be massive, they would've ordered more than 12 episodes and the show probably would've slowed down the pace of the action.
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Post by HailTheConquerer on Mar 12, 2015 19:19:31 GMT -5
How is hits making these predictions, without knowing the bundle sales...I know they won't be much this time...but the they will def be more then 10k...plus wasn't hits off by 20k for MDNA ?...I think they predicted 325k....and she did 359k.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 12, 2015 19:25:43 GMT -5
How did civil rights get diminished so much as to be discussed in a album sales thread? LMAO I don't know ask Madonna... I think that was already discussed in the thread about Madonna….so again it has nothing to do with a album sales thread.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 12, 2015 19:27:05 GMT -5
Audience went up 400k viewers Exactly Actually the demo is what matters more because that is the prime demo for purchasing….it is what brings in the big revenue streams.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 12, 2015 19:32:19 GMT -5
Actually the demo is what matters more because that is the prime demo for purchasing….it is what brings in the big revenue streams. There have been shows with sizable audiences but because the demo was not good enough they were canceled…ratings matter because of the ads and advertisers pay more for high 18-49 demos. That being said Empire is a big hit in both so it is semantics at this point.
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 12, 2015 22:32:01 GMT -5
Wow, I'm really surprised their predictions didn't change much. I think Madonna has this but they are drawing it out.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 13, 2015 9:44:05 GMT -5
In terms of the streams for Empire, the concert thing for Madonna, etc. it's all an estimate. HITS' projection is of course an estimate. we won't know until the final results what really occurred. I would at least presume the information HITS has is more in-depth than the info we have, so their projection would be a bit more accurate. Either way it looks like the 'race' will be close. I'm more interested in long-term sales, though. If Madonna's album sinks as fast as her last one, why does the debut matter?
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Post by imbondz on Mar 13, 2015 9:47:21 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson had great timing for this new album to hit #1. I always want her to be successful but so far I don't like anything I've heard off of it, and the cover has to be one of the worst ones in a long while. Horrrrrible
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 13, 2015 10:16:18 GMT -5
In terms of the streams for Empire, the concert thing for Madonna, etc. it's all an estimate. HITS' projection is of course an estimate. we won't know until the final results what really occurred. I would at least presume the information HITS has is more in-depth than the info we have, so their projection would be a bit more accurate. Either way it looks like the 'race' will be close. I'm more interested in long-term sales, though. If Madonna's album sinks as fast as her last one, why does the debut matter?I think you answered your own question there - barring some kind of miracle, this album won't produce any hits and won't have any legs, so earning a No. 1 peak is its only chance at accomplishing something noteworthy. of course, peaking at No. 2 or 3 and racking up great cumulative sales would be preferable to a No. 1 that sinks like a rock...but since it's pretty much guaranteed to sink like a rock, at least it could add to her tally of No. 1's. **fingers crossed**
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Post by Push The Button on Mar 13, 2015 10:22:25 GMT -5
Actually the demo is what matters more because that is the prime demo for purchasing….it is what brings in the big revenue streams. There have been shows with sizable audiences but because the demo was not good enough they were canceled…ratings matter because of the ads and advertisers pay more for high 18-49 demos. That being said Empire is a big hit in both so it is semantics at this point. What does that have to do with anything? The key demo is what counts to the network and advertisers, but we're talking about potential customers. 14.9 million people is a bigger audience than 14.3 million people, which means that 600,000 more people had seen the commercial for the soundtrack at the end of the episode.
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