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Post by ss8 on Mar 16, 2015 18:15:26 GMT -5
^ lol you dont have to scream at me! :( It was just a general question as this new system is so clunky (at least for me) and needed someone to clarify.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 16, 2015 18:21:33 GMT -5
Madonna getting blocked by a two month old TV show Are you kidding??? 2 month old TV show?? You do understand that in terms of TV that is brand newβ¦.and it is the hottest tv show on television. It would have blocked the number 1 last week as well.
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 16, 2015 18:22:05 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 16, 2015 18:33:01 GMT -5
So if that's how it ends up, this will be the first No. 1 in pure album sales that is not No. 1 on the Billboard 200, since the chart overhaul in December.
And if No. 2 on Billboard 200, it will still be her 14th top 2 album- Stresiand has two more No. 1s than M, while M has two more No. 2s than Babs. :)
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 16, 2015 18:42:26 GMT -5
So if that's how it ends up, this will be the first No. 1 in pure album sales that is not No. 1 on the Billboard 200, since the chart overhaul in December. And if No. 2 on Billboard 200, it will still be her 14th top 2 album- Stresiand has two more No. 1s than M, while M has two more No. 2s than Babs. :) Do you have a list of the acts with the most #2 albums? I know Madonna is tied with Elvis for most #2 singles in the Rock Era with 6. (#1 on the actual Hot 100.)
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Post by Libra on Mar 16, 2015 18:44:10 GMT -5
So if that's how it ends up, this will be the first No. 1 in pure album sales that is not No. 1 on the Billboard 200, since the chart overhaul in December. No. This came up last week when it looked like that might happen to Kelly - Madonna would simply be the first artist to have an album denied #1 entirely; 1989 (already #1) had a week where that happened, and so did Now 53 (first album denied).
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Post by HailTheConquerer on Mar 16, 2015 19:21:50 GMT -5
You guys read way way way too much into that article, Madonna takes the album chart, Empire takes the SPS, HITS knows the number's already or has a good feel already for what going too happen....but they anit gonna share that till tommrow afternoon...expect Madonna too take the BILLBOARD 200, ive come too the fact, that this is all a game!...heck , im game...i must have clicked on there site 200 times, lol....and there will be no hard feeling here, if Madonna survived Ray of Light charting at #2 debut, she would do the same with RH.
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Post by HailTheConquerer on Mar 16, 2015 19:23:04 GMT -5
So if that's how it ends up, this will be the first No. 1 in pure album sales that is not No. 1 on the Billboard 200, since the chart overhaul in December. And if No. 2 on Billboard 200, it will still be her 14th top 2 album- Stresiand has two more No. 1s than M, while M has two more No. 2s than Babs. :) Your throwing that white towel in the ring already???...M would not be pleased.
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Post by fantasticbaby on Mar 16, 2015 20:12:29 GMT -5
What is the first one? just out of curiosty
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 16, 2015 20:25:00 GMT -5
The Walking Dead is still the highest rated series on TV, and still increasing each season.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 16, 2015 20:32:29 GMT -5
She had 5 #2 albums in the 90s, she'll survive. But will you? :kii: jk
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 20:34:06 GMT -5
Holdtight, Lol I thought you meant The Good Wife (just because I'm hooked)
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 16, 2015 20:44:30 GMT -5
She had 5 #2 albums in the 90s, she'll survive. But will you? :kii: jk #1 would be awesome, but I think she breaks the record for most #2 albums if RH peaks there. As a number and chart person I think that would be cool too. (Sacrilege I know.) Edit: looks like she'll tie the Beatles and the Stones at 6.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 16, 2015 21:32:20 GMT -5
Which is exactly why the new methodology for the BB200 is lame.
You sold more copies of your album than anyone else in the country? Ohhhh I'm sorry you're only #2 tho on the charts. Dumb.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 16, 2015 21:50:19 GMT -5
You guys read way way way too much into that article, Madonna takes the album chart, Empire takes the SPS, HITS knows the number's already or has a good feel already for what going too happen....but they anit gonna share that till tommrow afternoon...expect Madonna too take the BILLBOARD 200, ive come too the fact, that this is all a game!...heck , im game...i must have clicked on there site 200 times, lol....and there will be no hard feeling here, if Madonna survived Ray of Light charting at #2 debut, she would do the same with RH. You do know that if Empire takes SPS then that means it will be on top of the Billboard 200? She will be #1 possibly on the Top Album Chart but not 200. You sound erratic as hell. EPIC Madness indeed :kii:
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 16, 2015 21:57:42 GMT -5
I like the concept of the new chart methodology, but chart records should have started anew with the new set-up. Old peaks are based purely on sales, so to compare those records to this new way of tabulating results is entirely different. It would have been like if they could have known how much we listened to walkmans in the late '80s or something. At least with Soundscan and the pre-Soundscan era the chart was still sales-based (in theory). This is more than sales, though, as it's taking repeatability into account.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 16, 2015 22:00:09 GMT -5
I like the concept of the new chart methodology, but chart records should have started anew with the new set-up. Old peaks are based purely on sales, so to compare those records to this new way of tabulating results is entirely different. It would have been like if they could have known how much we listened to walkmans in the late '80s or something. At least with Soundscan and the pre-Soundscan era the chart was still sales-based (in theory). This is more than sales, though, as it's taking repeatability into account. Mmmm. It's mixing airplay with sales. makes no sense. I can buy an album and never listen to it. Still counts as a sales. If you just listen to something but never buy it, it shouldn't count towards BB200.
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Post by The Black Bird on Mar 16, 2015 22:18:32 GMT -5
Which is exactly why the new methodology for the BB200 is lame. You sold more copies of your album than anyone else in the country? Ohhhh I'm sorry you're only #2 tho on the charts. Dumb. Maybe it's because BB 200 is NOT about the sales, but about popularity. The 200 most popular albuns in a particular week. If that's the case, including streaming makes sense to me.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 16, 2015 22:48:22 GMT -5
I disagree. Sales defines how popular an album is. If you don't like an album enough to buy it, then you listening to part of it shouldn't matter. If anything it should decrease it's popularity because you don't like it enough to buy it.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 16, 2015 22:55:44 GMT -5
I disagree. Sales defines how popular an album is. If you don't like an album enough to buy it, then you listening to part of it shouldn't matter. If anything it should decrease it's popularity because you don't like it enough to buy it. But you can only buy an album once. In theory, an album can sell a million copies in a week and never sell a single copy after that. Is that album only popular for a week? What if those million buyers listen to the album every day for 3 months and radio plays singles from it every day for a year. Is the album not popular because it didn't sell? I personally don't like the addition of streaming to the chart either but sales =/= popularity, or at the very least, it's not that simple.
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Post by The Black Bird on Mar 16, 2015 23:17:41 GMT -5
I disagree. Sales defines how popular an album is. If you don't like an album enough to buy it, then you listening to part of it shouldn't matter. If anything it should decrease it's popularity because you don't like it enough to buy it. But you can only buy an album once. In theory, an album can sell a million copies in a week and never sell a single copy after that. Is that album only popular for a week? What if those million buyers listen to the album every day for 3 months and radio plays singles from it every day for a year. Is the album not popular because it didn't sell? I personally don't like the addition of streaming to the chart either but sales =/= popularity, or at the very least, it's not that simple. Yes. I'm no fan of the methodology used either, but sales-only are not the definition of "popular", especially in this day and age when a large number of people enjoy music through streaming services or things like that.
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Post by fantasticbaby on Mar 16, 2015 23:31:28 GMT -5
You guys read way way way too much into that article, Madonna takes the album chart, Empire takes the SPS, HITS knows the number's already or has a good feel already for what going too happen....but they anit gonna share that till tommrow afternoon...expect Madonna too take the BILLBOARD 200, ive come too the fact, that this is all a game!...heck , im game...i must have clicked on there site 200 times, lol....and there will be no hard feeling here, if Madonna survived Ray of Light charting at #2 debut, she would do the same with RH. You do know that if Empire takes SPS then that means it will be on top of the Billboard 200? She will be #1 possibly on the Top Album Chart Top Album Sales Chart but not 200. You sound erratic as hell. EPIC Madness indeed :kii:
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Post by imbondz on Mar 16, 2015 23:39:54 GMT -5
I disagree. Sales defines how popular an album is. If you don't like an album enough to buy it, then you listening to part of it shouldn't matter. If anything it should decrease it's popularity because you don't like it enough to buy it. But you can only buy an album once. In theory, an album can sell a million copies in a week and never sell a single copy after that. Is that album only popular for a week? What if those million buyers listen to the album every day for 3 months and radio plays singles from it every day for a year. Is the album not popular because it didn't sell? I personally don't like the addition of streaming to the chart either but sales =/= popularity, or at the very least, it's not that simple. You can buy the same album every day for the rest of your life as long as it's available. You can buy 1000 copies of the same album in a day and all will count towards the chart.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 16, 2015 23:42:06 GMT -5
But you can only buy an album once. In theory, an album can sell a million copies in a week and never sell a single copy after that. Is that album only popular for a week? What if those million buyers listen to the album every day for 3 months and radio plays singles from it every day for a year. Is the album not popular because it didn't sell? I personally don't like the addition of streaming to the chart either but sales =/= popularity, or at the very least, it's not that simple. Yes. I'm no fan of the methodology used either, but sales-only are not the definition of "popular", especially in this day and age when a large number of people enjoy music through streaming services or things like that. But streaming a few songs off an album doesn't mean the entire album is popular. Just the songs you're streaming. You're listening to a song not buying it. It's airplay not sales and shouldn't be counted towards a sales chart.
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Post by The Black Bird on Mar 16, 2015 23:48:53 GMT -5
Yes. I'm no fan of the methodology used either, but sales-only are not the definition of "popular", especially in this day and age when a large number of people enjoy music through streaming services or things like that. But streaming a few songs off an album doesn't mean the entire album is popular. Just the songs you're streaming. You're listening to a song not buying it. It's airplay not sales and shouldn't be counted towards a sales chart. But that's exactly the point, the BB 200 is NOT a sales chart, it's a popularity chart. In the past they used to measure popularity by looking at the sales, now they're doing the same by mixing stream and sales. They are just trying to stay relevant in a world where album sales have diminished in a huge way.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 16, 2015 23:51:37 GMT -5
But you can only buy an album once. In theory, an album can sell a million copies in a week and never sell a single copy after that. Is that album only popular for a week? What if those million buyers listen to the album every day for 3 months and radio plays singles from it every day for a year. Is the album not popular because it didn't sell? I personally don't like the addition of streaming to the chart either but sales =/= popularity, or at the very least, it's not that simple. You can buy the same album every day for the rest of your life as long as it's available. You can buy 1000 copies of the same album in a day and all will count towards the chart. Nobody does that because there's literally no point ever. That's a horrible argument. You're listening to a song not buying it. It's airplay not sales and shouldn't be counted towards a sales chart. I think the approach being taken now with determining popularity is with time spent rather than money. The Billboard 200 is no longer a sales chart just like the Hot 100 stopped being sales years ago. There are valid arguments for and against streaming being counted for the main albums chart but if counting popularity, streaming is a major method in how it's being measured. There's no way around that.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 17, 2015 1:52:58 GMT -5
Another Billboard 200 rant lol
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 17, 2015 2:37:57 GMT -5
I disagree. Sales defines how popular an album is. If you don't like an album enough to buy it, then you listening to part of it shouldn't matter. If anything it should decrease it's popularity because you don't like it enough to buy it. So.. if I listen to Tinashe's album 15 times on Spotify, that shouldn't count to any chart? Going to see her live tonight, hence the example.. but buying the album has never come to my mind.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 17, 2015 2:44:58 GMT -5
She had 5 #2 albums in the 90s, she'll survive. But will you? :kii: jk We will all keep Living for Love and Carry Onβ¦.I know cheesy but I could not help myself!
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 17, 2015 2:46:51 GMT -5
You can buy the same album every day for the rest of your life as long as it's available. You can buy 1000 copies of the same album in a day and all will count towards the chart. Nobody does that because there's literally no point ever. That's a horrible argument. You're listening to a song not buying it. It's airplay not sales and shouldn't be counted towards a sales chart. I think the approach being taken now with determining popularity is with time spent rather than money. The Billboard 200 is no longer a sales chart just like the Hot 100 stopped being sales years ago. There are valid arguments for and against streaming being counted for the main albums chart but if counting popularity, streaming is a major method in how it's being measured. There's no way around that. When was the Hot 100 only sales??? β¦β¦So what we are discovering here is the unemployed with influence the album chart more than anyone since they have more time to just stream all day long! LOL
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