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Post by rsmatto on Apr 21, 2015 15:30:32 GMT -5
I used to like Kid Rock a little until I read a few of his interviews. I'm sorry...I can't separate his views from his music. Please don't compare him to John Mellencamp. John is wonderful. Kid Rock's one good song was a rip-off of two great songs. This one has a lot of "Summer Of 69" in it too (even if it's not credited).
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Post by trebor on Apr 21, 2015 15:39:20 GMT -5
I used to like Kid Rock a little until I read a few of his interviews. I'm sorry...I can't separate his views from his music. Please don't compare him to John Mellencamp. John is wonderful. Kid Rock's one good song was a rip-off of two great songs. This one has a lot of "Summer Of 69" in it too (even if it's not credited). First Kiss vs. Summer Of '69: Now that you are mentioning it, I'm hearing bits and pieces of "Summer Of '69" all over "First Kiss". :|
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 21, 2015 16:18:39 GMT -5
This one has a lot of "Summer Of 69" in it too (even if it's not credited). First Kiss vs. Summer Of '69: Now that you are mentioning it, I'm hearing bits and pieces of "Summer Of '69" all over "First Kiss". :| Yes, the melody, the whole mood, etc. It's basically a re-write of it.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 21, 2015 21:22:52 GMT -5
I used to like Kid Rock a little until I read a few of his interviews. I'm sorry...I can't separate his views from his music. Please don't compare him to John Mellencamp. John is wonderful. Kid Rock's one good song was a rip-off of two great songs. You're right, Kid Rock only has one good song. That's why his first album, without the song you're referring to, is certified Diamond, because he has no good songs. For the record, Cowboy, Bawitdaba, Picture (With Sheryl Crow), Forever, Born Free, So Hott, American Bad Ass, and countless others are big hits and are good songs.
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 21, 2015 22:33:42 GMT -5
I used to like Kid Rock a little until I read a few of his interviews. I'm sorry...I can't separate his views from his music. Please don't compare him to John Mellencamp. John is wonderful. Kid Rock's one good song was a rip-off of two great songs. You're right, Kid Rock only has one good song. That's why his first album, without the song you're referring to, is certified Diamond, because he has no good songs. For the record, Cowboy, Bawitdaba, Picture (With Sheryl Crow), Forever, Born Free, So Hott, American Bad Ass, and countless others are big hits and are good songs. "Blue Jeans and a Rosary" and "Only God Knows Why" are two of my all time favorite songs. "Roll On", "Best of Me (potential future single), and "Hard Night for Sarah" are also really good.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 21, 2015 23:03:52 GMT -5
That's why his first album, without the song you're referring to, is certified Diamond So does Limp Bizkit. The sales argument is always a weak one. But so is an argument over what a "good" song is.
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Post by Rumors on Apr 23, 2015 15:25:03 GMT -5
That's why his first album, without the song you're referring to, is certified Diamond So does Limp Bizkit. The sales argument is always a weak one. But so is an argument over what a "good" song is. You are quite right. I will give you Picture. I forgot about that one. As for him being a good performer, that's in the eyes of the beholder as well. I have watched some youtube performances over the years and I do think he's a better vocalist that I had thought he was years ago but at the same time he has the luxury of having about 10 musicians on stage with him to bolster his sound and back up singers to really carry him through. Grabbing one's crotch multiple times during a performance doesn't make one a excellent performer in my book but to each his own.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 23, 2015 16:46:35 GMT -5
I should clarify that I wasn't defending Kid Rock because I like Kid Rock. lol. He seems like the biggest douchebag to me. I was mostly saying that the argument is weak just because it is. I do like a few of his songs though. Picture is great. I also like Cowboy and Only God Knows Why.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 23, 2015 17:04:49 GMT -5
I should clarify that I wasn't defending Kid Rock because I like Kid Rock. lol. He seems like the biggest douchebag to me. I was mostly saying that the argument is weak just because it is. I do like a few of his songs though. Picture is great. I also like Cowboy and Only God Knows Why. It's fine if you don't like him because of your political views or whatnot, but since you're going to attack him, i'll go ahead and say some goods things about him to balance it out. I understand that he does tend to speak his mind quite frequently, and that can easily rub someone the wrong way, but he also has done some pretty sweet things. Kid Rock performed a benefit concert for the Detroit Symphony Orchestra (the two played together) in order to drum up revenue to save the DSO, and help keep a historical piece of Detroit afloat. He is also as down to earth as any musician can get. I've seen him personally stop and shake every person's hand that came up to him at a Detroit Tigers baseball game, and he's been known to buy people a round of drinks when he's at the bar. He also has performed numerous shows for troops stationed overseas, and the one things I like best about him is he personally makes an effort to keep his concert tickets as affordable as possible (down to $20). Heck, he even managed to keep 12 oz beers to $4 by being innovative with his touring tactic. I don't see too many other musicians going to the same lengths to make their shows affordable so all fans can go. As far as your comment about the sales argument being a weak one, the point was that if a poster wants to be blunt and say that none of Kid Rock's songs are good as if it's a matter of fact, then I will simply point out that 10 million people disagree with that statement at least in terms of one album by him. You're right that arguing over whether a song is good or bad is pointless, because at the end of the day it just comes down to perception and personal taste. But one person's view shouldn't be painted as the sole voice of reason.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 23, 2015 19:23:01 GMT -5
It's fine if you don't like him because of your political views or whatnot, but since you're going to attack him, i'll go ahead and say some goods things about him to balance it out. Nowhere did I mention anything about politics, nor did I "attack" Kid Rock. I think Kanye West is a douchebag too and I very likely agree with him more politically than I would with Kid Rock. As far as your comment about the sales argument being a weak one, the point was that if a poster wants to be blunt and say that none of Kid Rock's songs are good as if it's a matter of fact, then I will simply point out that 10 million people disagree with that statement at least in terms of one album by him. You're right that arguing over whether a song is good or bad is pointless, because at the end of the day it just comes down to perception and personal taste. But one person's view shouldn't be painted as the sole voice of reason. I'm not sure what it is about what I said you're taking issue with since it seems we agree on the fundamentals. I was simply saying that sales aren't a defining factor of what a "good" song, since a "good" song is a question of personal opinion. If someone says he doesn't have a single good song, sure, they can believe that just as well as someone who thinks his entire discography is genius. People shouldn't have to argue or defend their opinion on the music they like.
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Post by Kentucky25 on Apr 23, 2015 22:10:21 GMT -5
While we're discussing Kid Rock's songs, I feel like all the songs on the Rock N' Roll Jesus album were at worst average (Half Your Age) and at best stellar (Roll On, Amen, Blue Jeans and A Rosary). I also like Midnight Train to Memphis, even with the the "interesting" David Spade interlude (I think that's the correct term) in the middle.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 23, 2015 23:01:22 GMT -5
I feel like I can see the "Kid Rock is a douchebag" point of view, like I can with Toby Keith. But like Toby Keith, I feel like it's mostly a misconception (though Toby to a greater extent since I know more about him).
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Post by lilyjeciel on May 10, 2015 11:56:41 GMT -5
Once again, Kid Rock is out to give fans the biggest value for their concert ticket dollar β and this summer, heβs bringing out Foreigner to help him deliver. As previously reported, the two veteran acts are teaming up for a package tour that will offer tickets at prices well below the industry standard β just like the $20 Best Night Ever run Rock made in 2014. According to a press release announcing the summer dates, tickets from the second row to the lawn will be $20, and the parking and service fees have also been reduced, which will reportedly keep the total cost at or less than $30. Tickets are set to go on sale to the public Feb. 24, with pre-sales available to members of Kid Rockβs fan club as well as those who purchase First Kiss through his official site. Saying he expects the experience to be βreally interesting,β Foreigner bassist Jeff Pilson predicts that touring with Kid Rock would make new fans out of a whole new demographic. βI think thatβs going to be expose us to a different audience that I think is gonna be shocked at how much they enjoy us β which I always love doing. Thatβs the best kind of tour to do.β Are you excited yet? ------------------------------------------ For concert ticket infos visit : www.yourticketgenie.com.
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Post by matty005 on May 10, 2015 12:03:35 GMT -5
Once again, Kid Rock is out to give fans the biggest value for their concert ticket dollar β and this summer, heβs bringing out Foreigner to help him deliver. As previously reported, the two veteran acts are teaming up for a package tour that will offer tickets at prices well below the industry standard β just like the $20 Best Night Ever run Rock made in 2014. According to a press release announcing the summer dates, tickets from the second row to the lawn will be $20, and the parking and service fees have also been reduced, which will reportedly keep the total cost at or less than $30. Tickets are set to go on sale to the public Feb. 24, with pre-sales available to members of Kid Rockβs fan club as well as those who purchase First Kiss through his official site. Saying he expects the experience to be βreally interesting,β Foreigner bassist Jeff Pilson predicts that touring with Kid Rock would make new fans out of a whole new demographic. βI think thatβs going to be expose us to a different audience that I think is gonna be shocked at how much they enjoy us β which I always love doing. Thatβs the best kind of tour to do.β Are you excited yet? ------------------------------------------ For concert ticket infos visit : www.yourticketgenie.com. Whether you like him or not, or like his music or not, you gotta admit this is pretty cool.
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Post by rsmatto on May 11, 2015 11:56:22 GMT -5
Once again, Kid Rock is out to give fans the biggest value for their concert ticket dollar β and this summer, heβs bringing out Foreigner to help him deliver. As previously reported, the two veteran acts are teaming up for a package tour that will offer tickets at prices well below the industry standard β just like the $20 Best Night Ever run Rock made in 2014. According to a press release announcing the summer dates, tickets from the second row to the lawn will be $20, and the parking and service fees have also been reduced, which will reportedly keep the total cost at or less than $30. Tickets are set to go on sale to the public Feb. 24, with pre-sales available to members of Kid Rockβs fan club as well as those who purchase First Kiss through his official site. Saying he expects the experience to be βreally interesting,β Foreigner bassist Jeff Pilson predicts that touring with Kid Rock would make new fans out of a whole new demographic. βI think thatβs going to be expose us to a different audience that I think is gonna be shocked at how much they enjoy us β which I always love doing. Thatβs the best kind of tour to do.β Are you excited yet? ------------------------------------------ For concert ticket infos visit : www.yourticketgenie.com. Whether you like him or not, or like his music or not, you gotta admit this is pretty cool. Garth says he's like this too but Garth doesn't go this far (maybe he will for his next tour).
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on May 11, 2015 13:16:43 GMT -5
I generally dislike when fans post videos or articles to deflect criticism of an artist. "See? "artist A. visited a girl dying from cancer . He/she is such a good person". I'm making an exception with Rock as I've always felt he has gotten a bad rap as a douchebag. Sure , hes got some rough edges & he probably says and does a lot of things for shock value , but hes always seemed fairly laid back. I actually find it refreshing when someone is honest & genuine....even if my beliefs don't line up with theirs. I'd drink a beer with him.
On a side note , the first time I watched this video I was waiting to get a haircut at this old school barber shop I go to. Its kinda of embarrassing having to explain why you are sobbing like a 12 year old girl to a bunch of old men.
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Post by trustypepper on May 12, 2015 7:38:48 GMT -5
"First Kiss" is the lone debut on Billboard this week, starting at #59.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 20, 2015 17:00:51 GMT -5
I don't see "First Kiss" reaching the top 30, and it's a little difficult for me seeing it reach the top 40. Its lost 2 combined spins from its top 14 spin leaders the past seven days on MB (with over 400k of its total audience coming from KKBQ in Houston) and has been stuck in the lower 50's of the Billboard airplay chart for 6 weeks now (peak of #56 so far). Kid Rock's audience isn't terrible on Billboard (over 1.1 million), but with summer only getting shorter as time goes on, a song like this, from a singer not that associated with the format (though who knows who is really "associated" with this format anymore with the changing sonic sound on country radio, but I digress), is going to have even more trouble getting adds. The relatively new WEA promo team hasn't seen success outside of "Kiss You In The Morning" and that was obviously aided by the "On The Verge" program.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 19:42:21 GMT -5
I don't see "First Kiss" reaching the top 30, and it's a little difficult for me seeing it reach the top 40. Its lost 2 combined spins from its top 14 spin leaders the past seven days on MB (with over 400k of its total audience coming from KKBQ in Houston) and has been stuck in the lower 50's of the Billboard airplay chart for 6 weeks now (peak of #56 so far). Kid Rock's audience isn't terrible on Billboard (over 1.1 million), but with summer only getting shorter as time goes on, a song like this, from a singer not that associated with the format (though who knows who is really "associated" with this format anymore with the changing sonic sound on country radio, but I digress), is going to have even more trouble getting adds. The relatively new WEA promo team hasn't seen success outside of "Kiss You In The Morning" and that was obviously aided by the "On The Verge" program. Eh, this one was never going to be an instant hit any way. It hasn't moved much since its debut, that's true, but I think if he's able to get more adds, then this one could still see a slow climb up the charts. I also don't see why this one would struggle when summer comes to an end. I'm not trying to single you out here sabre14, but I think Pulsers generally give WAY too much importance to the season or time of year when it comes to assessing how a single might do on the charts (I've certainly been guilty of it myself in the past...these days I'm more of the stance that time of year doesn't matter). Sure, this one sounds great in the summer, with the windows rolled down, but radio isn't going to say "The leaves are changing! We're coming up on the first frost! We'd better drop that Kid Rock song like a hot potato!" I think it was a bit different for songs like "Long Hot Summer" and "Barefoot Blue Jean Night", and also "Colder Weather", but other than those, I really don't think time of year is that big a deal. Obviously labels are going to slot summer songs as summer singles, but they can keep charting when October and November roll around, and even later than that as well. FGL bucked the trend twice with "Cruise" and "Sun Daze", and lord knows that neither of those two songs faced any issues despite being out during the winter months. "Chillin' It" was another one that was out all through the winter months. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, sure, a label would love nothing more than for a song like "Buy Me A Boat" to be the biggest hit in the country over 4th of July weekend, or for "First Kiss" to be the biggest hit on the charts when September rolls around, but things rarely ever work out that perfectly, and they certainly don't need to. A song like "First Kiss" has the ability to do just as good in November as it does in June...but as you said, we just have to wait and see as to whether radio will play this into the top 40 or beyond.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 20, 2015 19:54:49 GMT -5
The summer factor was just one aspect I brought up in my post though. It adds to reason for a song like "First Kiss" to not catch on for a long chart run. There's other, more concrete factors for a song, summer themed or not, to hit or not hit. There is reason to believe "First Kiss" can become a hit since "All Summer Long" peaked in October but this particular single just hasn't acted like it will be a sizable hit so far from its numbers I've seen.
It is early enough for some hope though, so we'll see.
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