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Post by rowdawg21 on Jul 24, 2007 9:36:43 GMT -5
Has anyone seen it on "new" versions of his current CD?? I don't wanna re-buy it, but I can't seem to find it anywhere else... It's still not available to purchase anywhere.
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Post by PinkyD on Jul 24, 2007 19:27:33 GMT -5
Well, how dumb is that??
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Post by PinkyD on Jul 31, 2007 14:48:57 GMT -5
So did anyone see this week's Target ad where the "Let It Go" CD is on sale with the tag line "with If You're Reading This"??
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 31, 2007 14:52:36 GMT -5
Yep. Looks like it has now been tacked on as a Let It Go bonus track.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jul 31, 2007 14:55:21 GMT -5
So did anyone see this week's Target ad where the "Let It Go" CD is on sale with the tag line "with If You're Reading This"?? Hmm, that's strange. I would think it would be big news if "If You're Reading This" is really on that album, but no one here has mentioned anything about it.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jul 31, 2007 15:19:32 GMT -5
I wonder if its a studio track, or just the live one....
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Post by Marv on Jul 31, 2007 20:55:51 GMT -5
I hope that that was typing error in that Target ad; he would be INSANE to alienate his fanbase like that.
Leave that reprehensible behavior to the dime-a-dozen rap artists out there; I'm sure Tim has NO desire to be decapitated on the cover of Billboard Magazine, as one of those rappers/r&b stars did a few years ago.
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Post by WamuFive on Jul 31, 2007 21:01:54 GMT -5
I hope that that was typing error in that Target ad; he would be INSANE to alienate his fanbase like that. Leave that reprehensible behavior to the dime-a-dozen rap artists out there; I'm sure Tim has NO desire to be decapitated on the cover of Billboard Magazine, as one of those rappers/r&b star did a few years ago. How is he alientating his fan base? Fans who already own the album aren't forced to buy the new album. With just over 900,000 sold, the majority of his fans have NOT yet bought the album. This would be GOOD news for them. Who says people are REQUIRED to buy two copies? ??? Most of his die hard fans are going to want to purchase the song somehow. I think as long as they make the song available as a single sometime, there is no alienation occuring. If the song wa ONLY available on the album, then it's still better than not making the song available for purchase at all.
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Post by WamuFive on Jul 31, 2007 21:05:48 GMT -5
Is there a precedent for decapatation on the cover of Billboard magazine for re-releasing an album with a new song?
Garth Brooks released an entire box set based on putting a new song on each of his first 6 cd's. He "made" fans pay $50 to get 6 new songs. Was there a backlash when RF re-released their cd with "Life Is A Highway"? Same idea. If there was, then I can see how there would be a problem. But if there is no precedent, then why all of the sudden the bad publicity now?
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Post by WamuFive on Jul 31, 2007 21:21:15 GMT -5
Checking around, the Billboard website has updated the tracklisting of "Let It Go" which now includes "If You're Reading This" as track #14. The running time is 4:12. Barnes & Noble's website also has their tracklisting updated and even has an audio clip. It is also listed as track #14 with a running time of 4:12. I think we can expect to see the new version of the cd any time now.
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Jul 31, 2007 23:08:59 GMT -5
I may be wrong but it seems like Darryl Worley did the same thing with the song Have You Forgotten. It seems like he had a fairly new CD and then added the song to it.
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Post by Zazie on Jul 31, 2007 23:30:30 GMT -5
I may be wrong but it seems like Darryl Worley did the same thing with the song Have You Forgotten. It seems like he had a fairly new CD and then added the song to it. He did something similar -- he released an album with 6 songs from his first CD, 6 from his second one, and 4 new ones. I wouldn't call it the same move as Tim's, though. More of an incentive to purchase the new one. I think Trisha re-released Georgia Rain with one additional song, that ghastly duet with Garth I am blocking out the name of. It happens. It ain't no hanging matter....
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Post by rowdawg21 on Aug 1, 2007 10:21:34 GMT -5
Just got this message on myspace:
MCGRAW FRIENDS: The powerful new song, "If You're Reading This," as performed on the ACM Awards show in May, is now beginning to hit stores! Due to an overwhelming response, the new song is being stripped into Tim McGraw’s most recent album, Let It Go.
Pick up a copy today!
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Post by Marv on Aug 1, 2007 22:10:27 GMT -5
Wamufan--Rap/R&B star Usher was demolished in BB by the CEO of just about every label for doing just that with a CD that had already sold over 5,000,000 copies.
It's called greed, and it's flat-out unconscionable. ' There is nothing dumber than destroying and alienating the trust and respect which your fan base has placed in you, given the dreadful state of the music retail biz, and especially the rap sector, such a move is indefensibly stupid and boneheaded, and 100% avoidable.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Aug 2, 2007 0:05:17 GMT -5
Usher is NOT rap. He is R&B/Soul!!! He is one of the only urban singers I like.
As for "Life Is A Highway" it was available for digital download so people didn't have to repurchase the whole album.
The Garth Brooks thing got die hard fans to buy it plus people who might not own any of his songs to buy it. I should consider buying since I don't have it.
Also I'm pretty sure Tim will make "If Your Reading This" available to download on I-tunes.
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 2, 2007 10:29:16 GMT -5
Wamufan--Rap/R&B star Usher was demolished in BB by the CEO of just about every label for doing just that with a CD that had already sold over 5,000,000 copies. It's called greed, and it's flat-out unconscionable. ' There is nothing dumber than destroying and alienating the trust and respect which your fan base has placed in you, given the dreadful state of the music retail biz, and especially the rap sector, such a move is indefensibly stupid and boneheaded, and 100% avoidable. Okay, so there is a precedent. However, I think you have to look at each situation differently. Tim and the Warren Bros. just wrote this song recently for soldiers and their families. They had good intentions for writing and peforming the song. The label is merely reacting to an overwhelming response by fans to make the song available for purchase. How is responding to the fanbase alienating them? Also, "Let It Go" was only released 4 months ago with sales so far around 940,000. "Live Like You're Dying" has sold about 4 million and his biggest seller, "Not A Moment Too Soon" has sold close to 6 million. Needless to say, there are still millions of potential fans who have not yet even purchased the album. This is not like Usher's case where the album had already sold 5 million. I think that putting a song on an already released album and not making it available for individual download without knowing any of the background seems greedy. But I don't think Tim had greedy intentions by writing and recording this song. And I'm pretty sure the song will be made available for download for the fans who already own the album. I, as a fan, do not feel alienated. Rather I'm happy to have the opportunity to purchase such a touching song. I'm proud of Tim for writing it and I would like to support his (and the Warren Bros.) creative efforts. Marv, if you were the man in charge, what would you do if you had an overwhelming response from the fans indicating that they wanted to purchase the song somehow?
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Post by PinkyD on Aug 2, 2007 13:41:56 GMT -5
Well, iTunes still doesn't have it...I wouldn't be against rebuying the CD...perhaps that's why Target has it on sale this week, to stoke its sales...
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Post by Marv on Aug 2, 2007 20:24:39 GMT -5
Wamufan--I do agree with you; since 'Let It Go' has only sold anywhere from one-third to one quarter of what it will eventually sell, that's fine compared to Usher's greedy actions, and he deserved to get creamed on the cover of BB.
Given the fact that 'IYRT' was written less than three weeks before the ACM awards, the fact that Tim HAS decided to reissue the CD & include what would appear to be the front-runner for 'Single Of The Year' and 'Song Of The Year' at this years CMA Awards makes FAR more sense, now that I've thought about it some more.
I also wouldn't be surprised if his label cuts the price for the CD for ad in this weekends newspaper inserts(essentially launching a brand new marketing campaign), for Best Buy, Circuit City & other retailers.
There is zero chance that McGraw will get castigated as Usher was, and he certainly does not deserve to be.
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Post by Zazie on Aug 2, 2007 21:15:01 GMT -5
This song is the front runner for single and song of the year? Or it "would appear to be" the front runner?
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 3, 2007 0:20:38 GMT -5
Now that you guys have brought it up, can someone explain to me the difference between Single of the Year and Song of the Year? I would expect that IYRT would be a front runner for Song of the Year, but not Single of the Year--but I could be wrong. What is the distinction?
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Post by somebody60 on Aug 3, 2007 0:48:03 GMT -5
Now that you guys have brought it up, can someone explain to me the difference between Single of the Year and Song of the Year? I would expect that IYRT would be a front runner for Song of the Year, but not Single of the Year--but I could be wrong. What is the distinction? I've always heard that Single of the Year typically goes to the most successful single on radio (though, there have been exceptions) and that Song of the Year goes to the voters' favorite song. But, after this year's ACM Awards, I'm not so sure if this is true. George Strait's "Give It Away" won both Single and Song of the Year at the ACM's. I don't think he should have won Single if Single is supposed to go to the most successful single because Carrie's Before He Cheats was clearly the most successful out of all the candidates. I know some of you here don't like her, but if Single of the Year really goes to the most successful single, Before He Cheats should have definitely won. But, instead, George's did. I have no problem with him winning Song. This also happened at last year's CMA Awards. Brooks & Dunn's "Believe" won both Single and Song of the Year. Almost all the other candidates' singles were more successful on radio, but they won both. Basically, my point is that if the same 2 people keep winning Single & Song of the Year, I see no point in having 2 separate awards, but that's my opinion.Anyways, back on topic to this actual song, I see Tim's "If Your Reading This" having a good chance of at least being nominated for Song of the Year (and a good chance of Single as well). It was the most memorable moment at the ACM's, and the live version of the song almost made Top 20 on the Country charts if memory serves me right, and now, the studio version is in the Top 20 and still climbing. This song touched many people.
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 3, 2007 1:27:47 GMT -5
What you brought up is exactly why I am not sure what the difference is. I have also noticed that the same song has been winning both awards, and the songs don't seem to be the most successful OR of the highest artistic merit. I mean, I love George and "Give It Away" was a great song--but not that great.
I read the criteria on the ACM website and basically it says the awards go to what amounts to the best song achieving its highest peak during the eligibility period and the best single achieving its peak during the eligibilit period. There was a time when this might have made sense-- back when songs used to be released as individual singles. Then, single of the year would be the best song actually released as a single for purchase. But songs are rarely if ever released as retail singles anymore (except for i-tunes of course, but that would include almost every artists entire catalog now).
Then I thought, maybe Single of the Year means the best radio single and song means the best song, period. But I think the criteria specifies on BOTH awards that the songs have to reach the top 30 on either the Billboard, R&R, or Country Aircheck charts. I can double check, but I think I remember reading that. So now, I wonder why the heck there are two different awards for what appears to be the same thing. Do the voters even know what they're voting for? ???
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Post by somebody60 on Aug 3, 2007 1:39:43 GMT -5
What you brought up is exactly why I am not sure what the difference is. I have also noticed that the same song has been winning both awards, and the songs don't seem to be the most successful OR of the highest artistic merit. I mean, I love George and "Give It Away" was a great song--but not that great. I read the criteria on the ACM website and basically it says the awards go to what amounts to the best song achieving its highest peak during the eligibility period and the best single achieving its peak during the eligibility period. There was a time when this might have made sense-- back when songs used to be released as individual singles. Then, single of the year would be the best song actually released as a single for purchase. But songs are rarely if ever released as retail singles anymore (except for i-tunes of course, but that would include almost every artists entire catalog now). Then I thought, maybe Single of the Year means the best radio single and song means the best song, period. But I think the criteria specifies on BOTH awards that the songs have to reach the top 30 on either the Billboard, R&R, or Country Aircheck charts. I can double check, but I think I remember reading that. So now, I wonder why the heck there are two different awards for what appears to be the same thing. Do the voters even know what they're voting for? ??? Well, regardless of whether Give It Away was a great song or not, the simple fact was that it was not the most successful song on the radio charts or i-tunes or any other charts. Therefore, I do not feel it should have won Single of the Year. I liked Give It Away, but wasn't just wowed by it, but that's really beside the point. But, yea, I agree with you that this is very confusing. If they are going to have 2 separate awards for this, one should go to the most successful single (radio play, itunes, etc.). Another should go to the voters' favorite song and one they feel has the most artistic merit. Oh well. I don't think this topic really belongs here.
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 3, 2007 1:40:26 GMT -5
Okay, here is the official awards criteria from the ACM website in all its glory:
SINGLE RECORD OF THE YEAR This award is presented to the artist, producer and record company of an outstanding country music single record during the preceding calendar year. The factors to be considered include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of prerecorded music embodying the single, and the impact of the single on consumers and the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
Any single commercially and/or promotionally released prior to the preceding calendar year, but achieving its highest charted position in any accepted country music industry publication chart during the preceding calendar year, is eligible unless it has appeared on a final ACM ballot in this category.
SONG OF THE YEAR This award is presented to the songwriter(s), publisher(s) and artist(s) performing an outstanding country music song of the preceding calendar year. The factors to be considered include, but are not limited to, the success of the song at radio, sales of prerecorded music embodying the song and the impact of the song on consumers and the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
Any song contained on an album commercially released prior to the preceding calendar year, but achieving its highest charted position in any accepted country music industry publication chart during the preceding calendar year, is eligible unless it has appeared on a final ACM ballot in this category.
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Okay, so I don't remember where I got the top 30 rule, but notice the criteria appear to be identical. The only difference is that the Single award mentions being "commercially released" while the Song award mentions being "contained on an album". While this verbage lends credence to my theory about radio singles vs. any song, in practice Song of the Year always goes to a song that has been released to radio. Maybe that's just the nature of the beast, though. Songs that are so great typically are released as singles to radio and radio is the prime media by which songs are exposed to the general population and thus garner attention for such awards.
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 3, 2007 1:43:42 GMT -5
I liked Give It Away, but wasn't just wowed by it, but that's really beside the point. I agree with everything you said here (except I was kinda wowed at first). Oh well. I don't think this topic really belongs here. I agree with this too, but didn't know where else to post it. I am afraid to start an "unnecessary" thread.
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Post by somebody60 on Aug 3, 2007 1:51:42 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said here (except I was kinda wowed at first). Well, we all have different opinions. Not everyone will really like a song. If I were deciding the Awards, I probably wouldn't have Song of the Year simply because everyone has different opinions. What has artistic merit to one won't to another (but, that's a completely different conversation that we probably don't need to get into here). This award seems to be just a "favorites" award if you know what I mean. But, I suppose if there was an Awards show based on chart success, than it really wouldn't be too exciting, huh? Than, everyone would basically know who would win. Yea, I know what you mean.
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 3, 2007 2:12:59 GMT -5
But, I suppose if there was an Awards show based on chart success, than it really wouldn't be too exciting, huh? Than, everyone would basically know who would win. Yeah, once Billboard released their year-end charts, the winners for song and album of the year would automatically be given away. I think they should just have one song award-- call it Song of the Year. They no longer need two awards for the same thing.
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Post by somebody60 on Aug 3, 2007 2:38:59 GMT -5
Yeah, once Billboard released their year-end charts, the winners for song and album of the year would automatically be given away. I think they should just have one song award-- call it Song of the Year. They no longer need two awards for the same thing. Well, that is a very good point. I don't know what the right answer is here. My philosophy teacher believes that there shouldn't be any kind of awards because everyone can't get an award. He thinks that if people are trying their best to make a difference, than they all deserve a pat on the back. Ok, now I'm getting completely off-topic so I'll stop.
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Post by Marv on Aug 3, 2007 19:57:36 GMT -5
Your posting of the qualifications for both awards was revealed in the first sentence.
'Song Of The Year' goes to the composer, while 'Single Of The Year' goes to the performer and producer.
That's why there are two separate awards.
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Post by Zazie on Aug 3, 2007 23:34:45 GMT -5
Marv's got that right. One's a songwriter award, and songwriters are pretty much overlooked at the award shows, so it's nice having one moment for them.
I don't see why we would expect the voters to get these awards "right" -- they don't get the other awards "right" either. They just give the awards haphazardly, giving us something to argue or complain about, and there's no reason for them to hit a higher percentage on Song and Single.
And I agree with somebody60 that giving an award whose recipient is known ahead of time is not exactly a way to build suspense. (But I don't agree with somebody60's philosophy teacher, who, if he or she is quoted accurately here, doesn't make distinctions too well. People can get pats on the back in various ways, and some exceptional pats can take the form of awards. It doesn't diminish person A if person B gets an award. They don't make philosophy teachers the way they used to -- but I hope they all get awarded something. Wouldn't want their feelings hurt.)
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