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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 21:06:35 GMT -5
Ok sorry opinions change drastically sorry that I finally realized this was pop music. The more I looked at what was country-pop or pop-country the more obvious it was that Kelsea's music was pop and with the exception of a few songs off her debut album ( Peter Pan, Secondhand Smoke, and The First Time) just not well written like sorry I just found a lot better artists that do what Kelsea does just so much better. You know it just became obvious to me Kelsea's team is trying to make her the second coming of Taylor Swift just Taylor Swift has way better songs and at least Taylor's beginning albums sounded pretty good. Just a note, you can like a song and not think it's country. The fact that you like a song shouldn't change just because you realize it's more pop than you realized. That would be like me loving an Italian dish, and then someone telling me it was actually French cuisine and then I hate it. But it's getting shipped to Country Radio and I am judging it as a country song and it sure isn't country
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 13, 2015 21:13:38 GMT -5
Just a note, you can like a song and not think it's country. The fact that you like a song shouldn't change just because you realize it's more pop than you realized. That would be like me loving an Italian dish, and then someone telling me it was actually French cuisine and then I hate it. But it's getting shipped to Country Radio and I am judging it as a country song and it sure isn't country But your original response was to be excited because you loved the song and hoped it charted very well. Like, I don't understand. It seems like you just suddenly stopped liking the song because she was honored to be announcing with Steven Tyler. Literally for almost 5 pages you commented multiple times on how much you liked the song, Kelsea, and were continually expressing excitement about how it was performing on country radio. Please stop pretending like your new development makes any logical sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 21:14:39 GMT -5
To be fair to raylatch here, I experienced somewhat of a similar discovery. I first was introduced to country music by Florida Georgia Line. I loved their stuff. After being more involved with the music, and hearing what else the genre had to offer, I realized that FGL really wasn't cranking out the best stuff (in my opinion).
It's so easy for all of us to get caught up in the "current" sound of radio. Listen to "Dibs", "Live Forever", and "Lose My Mind" back-to-back-to-back and yeah they are all pretty catchy and melodic and you probably even enjoy them. But then go listen to country music of the 2000s and MAN you sure do miss that stuff. It's easy to forget when we're being force-fed today's music. Sometimes it takes a little reminder.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Sept 13, 2015 21:21:17 GMT -5
Just a note, you can like a song and not think it's country. The fact that you like a song shouldn't change just because you realize it's more pop than you realized. That would be like me loving an Italian dish, and then someone telling me it was actually French cuisine and then I hate it. But it's getting shipped to Country Radio and I am judging it as a country song and it sure isn't country Country as a whole though is drastically different. Most of the chart space now is filled with less and less true "organic" country. Its what it is now, a pop rock country twist, they package it as country. You say this isnt "Country" but what song on the chart right now can truely be classified as a country song, and by what standards are we looking at these songs with. Everthing right now is so different from the "organic" country that I think it would be too difficult to justify whats "country" when "country" has a identity prob. - I love this song and Kelsea is such a sweetie. -
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 21:35:59 GMT -5
But it's getting shipped to Country Radio and I am judging it as a country song and it sure isn't country Country as a whole though is drastically different. Most of the chart space now is filled with less and less true "organic" country. Its what it is now, a pop rock country twist, they package it as country. You say this isnt "Country" but what song on the chart right now can truely be classified as a country song, and by what standards are we looking at these songs with. Everthing right now is so different from the "organic" country that I think it would be too difficult to justify whats "country" when "country" has a identity prob. - I love this song and Kelsea is such a sweetie. - One I'm not doubting she's a sweet person. But with the exception of listening to the Countdown shows I have tuned out country radio. In general I am starting to give up on mainstream country radio.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 13, 2015 21:40:36 GMT -5
Even if I don't care much for this song, I at least think that it and LMLYMI (which I did like) show a distinct personality that seems natural, other than her fake twang/street talk affectation in the talking parts. In a way she reminds me of what Kellie Pickler was trying to do on her first two albums, only a lot more natural and without the horrible "dumb blonde/ditz" affectations. And in a world where RaeLynn also exists, I'll take "bubbly young-adult girly love song that at least sounds reasonably natural" over "Somebody's gotta have morals stuck in the 1950s and make you wonder how this song was written by four women, so God Made Squirrels."
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 13, 2015 21:57:58 GMT -5
Gradually moving on from bro-country is not the same as suddenly going from "Man, I love this song. It's so perfect and I hope it smashes!" to one day waking up and saying "This song is bad and I hope it fails." It's not comparable at all, imo. If anyone reads his comments on the first 5 pages, you'll understand why I'm having a problem with the direction of the comments he's made the past couple days.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 13, 2015 22:01:23 GMT -5
At this point, the conversation on this page seems to be more about one poster's difficulty processing another poster's drastic change of opinion than about anything remotely music-related, and I'm seeing more repetition than progress in the ongoing exchange. .indulgecountry and raylatch98, I'm going to suggest that you take your discussion to PM and let this thread get back on topic. Thanks.
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Post by bigfan101 on Sept 13, 2015 22:05:59 GMT -5
First off, I've met Kelsea and she is probably one of the most genuine and kindest people I think I have ever met. She truly cares and after meeting her I don't think she is truly set out to mold her music after the early Swift stuff, it just so happens that she is in that stage of life. I mean she is only 21, what do you want her to write about. I think this is fun and something that truly shows where she could have been in live recently. Do I love the spoken word part? No. Is it my favorite song on her album? No. But Kelsea has some real winners on her cd (Stilletos, First Time, Underage I.e.) and if this needs to be released first to sustain the momentum before releasing a "riskier" song then I'm fine with it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 13, 2015 22:11:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't think Kelsea Ballerini reminds me that much of Taylor Swift tbh aside from being young and not being as traditional as most of her new female counterparts. People just keep getting hung up on this comparison because the Taylor Swift spot has been vacated and there's been a lot of buzz around how Kelsea could be the one to finally come in and take that third A-lister spot, since heaven knows we can't have too many females becoming big stars at once.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 13, 2015 22:17:46 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's extremely lazy to label someone as the next "whatever artist/singer". If you're saying someone is going to be as big as the said artist or fill their particular niche in the market, then I understand. But I sincerely doubt Kelsea said "I want to be a Taylor Swift clone with no originality myself". People did the same thing in sports for years, saying LeBron James is the next Michael Jordan. At some point we have to realize that these are indeed separate people, and give Kelsea a break whether you like her music or not.
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Post by M&TSwiftie on Sept 13, 2015 22:38:59 GMT -5
Kelsea is her own person. I don't see her as the next Taylor Swift... I see her as Kelsea Ballerini. "Dibs" is such a cute song, I don't care how pop-sounding it is lol exactly she is Kelsea she is being her.... She's creating herself as an artist she ain't trying to be anyone else ... And I see the simlarities but I don't think it's fair to label her this and that when she's being herself
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Post by bboat11 on Sept 15, 2015 21:23:40 GMT -5
I was not a fan at all of "Love Me Like You Mean It", so I am surprised to find that this song is quickly becoming a guilty pleasure for me... I may go check out her album now!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 15, 2015 21:56:15 GMT -5
I was not a fan at all of "Love Me Like You Mean It", so I am surprised to find that this song is quickly becoming a guilty pleasure for me... I may go check out her album now!You should, it's fantastic! Definitely one of my favorites of 2015. <3
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 11:23:58 GMT -5
Before anybody assumes I am going to bash this song. I'm not going to. No what amazes me is how awful the research is for Dibs it's really shocking actually. As this song has more of a negative callback scores than Real Life. Yikes!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 15:27:31 GMT -5
The numbers on the Mediabase Callout report are alarming, but this isn't doing nearly as poorly on the Bullseye research charts:
Bullseye Callout - 7.5% negative, 7.5% burn, #8 overall, 12th highest dislike rate Callout America - 7.2% negative, 7% burn, #5 overall, 30th highest dislike rate Radiofeedback - 25.9% negative, 18.1% burn, #31 overall, 7th highest dislike rate
The scores on Radiofeedback are way worse than the first two surveys, but on that survey 21% of listeners had not yet heard the song, so I will give "Dibs" more time before making a final judgement on its Radiofeedback numbers. Additionally, from what I understand Radiofeedback is not a scientific survey conducted in the same manner as Bullseye Callout and Callout America. Radiofeedback involves email solicitations to radio stations' "loyal fanbases" and a "you pick the hits" function on radio stations' websites, as opposed to a random phone survey.
As for the Mediabase callout numbers, Kelsea just showed up on the 9/11 report, so as with Radiofeedback I would give "Dibs" a few more weeks to grow before declaring this a research flop. On Bullseye Callout and Callout America, "Dibs" is ranked in the top 10 among males 18-34, the demo country radio targets most these days, while other female-led songs are getting way less positive reaction from this group of listeners ("Smoke Break," "Pain Killer," "Live Forever," "I Got the Boy," "Burning House"). So even if Kelsea's overall numbers don't turn out that great she may be resonating more with country radio's target demos, which would bode well for "Dibs."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:31:15 GMT -5
Wow, those scores are terrible! :( I suppose I am one of the few people that loves the spoken part lol And with that being said, it's easy to get I love the song!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 15:07:28 GMT -5
Just a little update on the Mediabase callout numbers, the negative rate for this has dropped down 6% to 26% since last week. That's still the second highest negativity rating on the survey (up there with "Real Life," "Like a Wrecking Ball," "Smokin' and Drinkin'," and "I'm to Blame") but it suggests that maybe since radio is giving this a chance listeners' opinions will improve as the song is heard more and climbs the airplay chart.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 4, 2015 16:54:39 GMT -5
Kelsea's Jimmy Kimmel performances of both her singles: She's just so cute. Full of personality and charisma, and she looked and sounded great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 18:15:38 GMT -5
Look I think Kelsea has a good singing voice she does she has a decent amount of charisma and her voice is mature for her age and lyrics but I just wish her pop country was more in the sense of Carrie Underwood and not Taylor Swift and that's my ultimate problem her production just seems a little too much pop like she has like one of the sweetest personalities and her singing voice is pretty good no Mickey Guyton or Carrie Underwood but more like Jana Kramer who is also a decent vocalist I hear her acoustic and man it sounds really nice it just frustrates me that she has more pop than country and I wish it was more of an even blend.
However she seems like the sweetest girl in the business so I will root for her to do well so we don't have to have only 2 females on the radio yes I'm that desperate for more females I do have a little standards but Kelsea passes by barely.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 4, 2015 18:42:57 GMT -5
Look I think Kelsea has a good singing voice she does she has a decent amount of charisma and her voice is mature for her age and lyrics but I just wish her pop country was more in the sense of Carrie Underwood and not Taylor Swift and that's my ultimate problem her production just seems a little too much pop like she has like one of the sweetest personalities and her singing voice is pretty good no Mickey Guyton or Carrie Underwood but more like Jana Kramer who is also a decent vocalist I hear her acoustic and man it sounds really nice it just frustrates me that she has more pop than country and I wish it was more of an even blend. However she seems like the sweetest girl in the business so I will root for her to do well so we don't have to have only 2 females on the radio yes I'm that desperate for more females I do have a little standards but Kelsea passes by barely. How many times are you going to post the same thing in this thread over and over? This song burned a little quicker on me than I thought it would, but it's still a solid, fun song.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 18:48:51 GMT -5
Look I think Kelsea has a good singing voice she does she has a decent amount of charisma and her voice is mature for her age and lyrics but I just wish her pop country was more in the sense of Carrie Underwood and not Taylor Swift and that's my ultimate problem her production just seems a little too much pop like she has like one of the sweetest personalities and her singing voice is pretty good no Mickey Guyton or Carrie Underwood but more like Jana Kramer who is also a decent vocalist I hear her acoustic and man it sounds really nice it just frustrates me that she has more pop than country and I wish it was more of an even blend. However she seems like the sweetest girl in the business so I will root for her to do well so we don't have to have only 2 females on the radio yes I'm that desperate for more females I do have a little standards but Kelsea passes by barely. How many times are you going to post the same thing in this thread over and over? This song burned a little quicker on me than I thought it would, but it's still a solid, fun song. Sorry I mean I just don't know anymore with Kelsea and Dibs anymore I just don't anymore it's great to see a female to succeed and I will root for her but for now on her music I'm undecided on right now?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 5, 2015 0:04:42 GMT -5
How many times are you going to post the same thing in this thread over and over? This song burned a little quicker on me than I thought it would, but it's still a solid, fun song. Sorry I mean I just don't know anymore with Kelsea and Dibs anymore I just don't anymore it's great to see a female to succeed and I will root for her but for now on her music I'm undecided on right now? First of all, make up your damn mind already. You went from praising this girl and loving her music to your current opinions which I've already called out as sounding very fake. But beyond all of that, please stop continuing to post regurgitated diatribes about how you (recently came to) don't like her poppier sound. It's tiring to continue reading how you want to like this girl (like you used to a few months ago, lmfao) and say things like "Yes she sings good, and she has charisma and maturity, and she's a sweetheart, and I'm rooting for her to succeed and all... BUT I still don't feel it." Like what? As for some of the comments you made, it makes sense for her music to sound more like Taylor Swift country than Carrie Underwood because the latter is older and has always recorded a different style of music that fit her personally. I don't see why Kelsea needs to be like Carrie, and it's just annoying that what few females we get on country radio are constantly being pitted against each other because of this slim pickings mentality that there can only be so many experiencing success simultaneously and that there music has to always be scrutinized so heavily and compared to each other. That's why it was such BS when someone like Jason Aldean had the damn nerve to say the women all sound the same, which is not only close-minded and wrong, but it's also ironic as hell, lol. Long story short, let's just let Kelsea Ballerini be.... Kelsea Ballerini. Like, I honestly feel like she's made an absolutely authentic sound on her record that doesn't sound like she's trying to be Taylor Swift or Carrie Underwood or anybody but herself. Despite being youthful and pop-leaning, I don't think that there are that many similarities between her and Swift's music at all. People have just kind of ran away with that comparison because (1) women have to be compared to other women constantly, and (2) Taylor Swift was one of 3 huge females at country the past like 8 years, so the media is looking at someone to fill that void and Kelsea's youthfulness has caused her to be pegged as "the next Taylor Swift."
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Post by bamafan2102 on Oct 5, 2015 2:04:11 GMT -5
Just watched the 2 videos above and though she sounded great, her voice had that "tired" sound about it in some spots. I hope they are taking care of her voice....
As for the song, it is catchy as all get out as well as the first single. I haven't listened to the album yet but will give it a shot.
Comparing every woman artist to each other is not a very good way to break out more female artist. Why does every female have to be the next whoever.....I will say I have been waiting for a few years for the next Martina...at least the first 3 albums Martina....lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 15:38:07 GMT -5
As for the Mediabase callout numbers, Kelsea just showed up on the 9/11 report, so as with Radiofeedback I would give "Dibs" a few more weeks to grow before declaring this a research flop. On Bullseye Callout and Callout America, "Dibs" is ranked in the top 10 among males 18-34, the demo country radio targets most these days, while other female-led songs are getting way less positive reaction from this group of listeners ("Smoke Break," "Pain Killer," "Live Forever," "I Got the Boy," "Burning House"). So even if Kelsea's overall numbers don't turn out that great she may be resonating more with country radio's target demos, which would bode well for "Dibs." Since Sept. 11th when this first charted on Mediabase's callout report, the negative rate has dropped over 9% and now it's level with Chris Janson's "Buy Me a Boat" which found its way all the way into the top 5. As I suspected, this one just took a little time to grow on some of the listeners, so it's great that radio gave this a chance and is now seeing a nice payoff for their investment. A top 5 peak is definitely in the cards for "Dibs."
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 12, 2015 15:54:52 GMT -5
Kelsea Ballerini apparently has a new dog called Dibs: Music Row
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 12, 2015 16:27:21 GMT -5
Kelsea Ballerini apparently has a new dog called Dibs: Music RowBetter choice of name than Love Me Like You Mean It. Too many words there.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 18, 2015 14:14:29 GMT -5
Nice article about Kim Pegula: www.buffalonews.com/sports/kim-pegula-is-buffalos-first-lady-of-sports-20151018I love this section of the article: On this particular afternoon, most of the buzz concerns a lyric video featuring Kelsea Ballerini, a rising country music recording artist on Black River Entertainment’s roster. A lyric video is a concept started by fans, who would take newly released songs and create YouTube videos containing the words to share with others. Now, they’re slicker productions the artists release themselves. A PSE videographer is putting the finishing touches on the lyric video for Ballerini’s song, “Dibs.” Kim Pegula looks over his shoulder, watching intently. She smiles while slowly moving her head to the tune as the lyrics appear on the screen: “I know everybody wants you. That ain’t no secret. Hey baby what’s your status? And tell me are you trynna keep it? … I’m calling dibs on your lips, on your kiss, on your time. Boy, I’m calling dibs …” “So, do you like it, Kim?” someone asks. “Yeah, I’m in,” she says, still smiling. “Do you have to match her voice with the words?” “Yes,” the videographer says. “Oh, my God!” Soon after getting the thumbs-up from the boss, the videographer leaves the Ballerini video (which has since registered more than a million views on YouTube) for a project for the Academy of Hockey at HarborCenter. All while wearing a shirt with a Bills logo. “That’s what we’re all about,” Kim says. And this section: Terry’s love for country music (“He’s old country,” Kim specifies) made it natural for him to launch Black River (the name comes from a carbonate rock, found in New York State, that produces oil and gas) and base it in Nashville. Besides Ballerini, artists who are part of the company’s independent record label group include Kellie Pickler and Craig Morgan. Black River also operates a country music publishing company and two recording facilities in Nashville, including Sound Stage Studio, where Johnny Cash and George Strait cranked out numerous No. 1 songs. A quote appears on a wall inside the main entrance of Black River. It says: “Delighted with success, but driven by significance.” “In the room next door to where my office is, we’ve got songwriters that are writing every single day trying to get that hit song,” says Kerr, the former assistant Hamburg superintendent who now runs PSE’s Black River Entertainment. “Then, the day comes when you get the call from an artist or a producer or an” artists and repertoire “person from either our labels or any of the other labels in town, and they’ll say, ‘Hey, we heard this song that your writer wrote and we want to put it on hold.’ And then, from that, to go to, ‘Oh, man, I heard they’re cutting my song in the studio.’ And then from there you get the note that says, ‘Oh, it made it onto the album.’ And then from there, the huge thing would be to hear it’s the next single for an artist. “That songwriter’s life changes because that happens.”
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