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Post by dm2081 on Nov 16, 2015 16:09:51 GMT -5
Someone needs to make a blog that critiques other blogs and says unnecessary and crude things about Trigger, and give him zero chance to defend himself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 16:43:55 GMT -5
Saving Country Music is a great site for independent fans (as raylatch noted). The rants can be harsh yes, but he's often the first to report news that nobody else is reporting while sites like Taste Of Country and The Boot are busy making Top 5 reasons why Sam Hunt is hot or feeding off an international tragedy for clickbait.
It's ok if you don't like his reviews, hell I find some of them a tad harsh myself, but to say that there aren't quality stories on there is complete bulls**t.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 16, 2015 17:36:27 GMT -5
2nd week in a row no adds. This was supposed to be released in July and several stations put it in rotation then, only to be told by Mercury to stop playing it til September. Now Mercury is too busy promoting Stapleton's single. I'm sure they didn't foresee that coming. I still don't understand why they would have pulled the add date in July when it was a much lighter add traffic time, then move to the heavy traffic fall. Sometimes I feel Mercury is Scotty's own worst enemy. I mean they let him go without a single when he had 2 top 10s in a row with plenty of time for a 3rd SYT single. Then when it finally came time they gave stations SB and pulled it back with no explanation. With friends like this...yeah...
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 16, 2015 20:47:08 GMT -5
#46 on tonight's Billboard Country Airplay
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 16, 2015 21:00:04 GMT -5
2nd week in a row no adds. This was supposed to be released in July and several stations put it in rotation then, only to be told by Mercury to stop playing it til September. Now Mercury is too busy promoting Stapleton's single. I'm sure they didn't foresee that coming. I still don't understand why they would have pulled the add date in July when it was a much lighter add traffic time, then move to the heavy traffic fall. Sometimes I feel Mercury is Scotty's own worst enemy. I mean they let him go without a single when he had 2 top 10s in a row with plenty of time for a 3rd SYT single. Then when it finally came time they gave stations SB and pulled it back with no explanation. With friends like this...yeah... If I was him, I'd look for a new label, but I suppose he's contractually bound to Mercury due to idol.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 16, 2015 21:11:53 GMT -5
2nd week in a row no adds. This was supposed to be released in July and several stations put it in rotation then, only to be told by Mercury to stop playing it til September. Now Mercury is too busy promoting Stapleton's single. I'm sure they didn't foresee that coming. I still don't understand why they would have pulled the add date in July when it was a much lighter add traffic time, then move to the heavy traffic fall. Sometimes I feel Mercury is Scotty's own worst enemy. I mean they let him go without a single when he had 2 top 10s in a row with plenty of time for a 3rd SYT single. Then when it finally came time they gave stations SB and pulled it back with no explanation. With friends like this...yeah... If I was him, I'd look for a new label, but I suppose he's contractually bound to Mercury due to idol. I've never heard how many albums he was signed to make when he signed his contract. I do know that Mercury and Idol's 19 Recordings split the profits. Same with Lauren. That may be another reason why his and her promo has never seemed to be as urgent as some others on the label. You know Eric Church said it best on his track "Princess of Darkness" about Nashville when he states "You see, it all comes down to money. Not romantic art from days gone past. If you forget that rule, you can bet your backside she will bury it in your ass." In other words if Scotty and Lauren made 100% profit for UMG/Mercury, we'd have seen different results by now.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 16, 2015 21:17:41 GMT -5
If I was him, I'd look for a new label, but I suppose he's contractually bound to Mercury due to idol. I've never heard how many albums he was signed to make when he signed his contract. I do know that Mercury and Idol's 19 Recordings split the profits. Same with Lauren. That may be another reason why his and her promo has never seemed to be as urgent as some others on the label. You know Eric Church said it best on his track "Princess of Darkness" about Nashville when he states "You see, it all comes down to money. Not romantic art from days gone past. If you forget that rule, you can bet your backside she will bury it in your ass." In other words if Scotty and Lauren made 100% profit for UMG/Mercury, we'd have seen different results by now. Typically it's multiple albums. Like Carrie for example I know was bound for at least 5 albums, if not 6.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 16, 2015 22:10:21 GMT -5
It's ok if you don't like his reviews, hell I find some of them a tad harsh myself, but to say that there aren't quality stories on there is complete bulls**t. I never see anyone posting quality stores from that website on Pulse, it's always "look at this over-the-top harshly-written almost-personal-sounding negative review of this song and how many times he can use a thesaurus to call something garbage in a fancy way!" If the site has interesting stories, then cool, but all I ever see people using that site for is to post on how he's expressed an extremely negative review on a song that's riddled with absolute bullshit like even making a suggestion that oral sex is implied in the bridge of this song. Vile. Any credibility I can give that site for the non-review material they post is thrown out the window thanks to a constant stream of classless negative reviews. He resorts to a level of shock value that is just not appropriate for a professional review site, so it irks me that people keep drawing attention to them so much.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 16, 2015 22:15:05 GMT -5
It's ok if you don't like his reviews, hell I find some of them a tad harsh myself, but to say that there aren't quality stories on there is complete bulls**t. I never see anyone posting quality stores from that website on Pulse, it's always "look at this over-the-top harshly-written almost-personal-sounding negative review of this song and how many times he can use a thesaurus to call something garbage in a fancy way!" If the site has interesting stories, then cool, but all I ever see people using that site for is to post on how he's expressed an extremely negative review on a song that's riddled with absolute bulls**t like even making a suggestion that oral sex is implied in the bridge of this song. Vile. Any credibility I can give that site for the non-review material they post is thrown out the window thanks to a constant stream of classless negative reviews. He resorts to a level of shock value that is just not appropriate for a professional review site, so it irks me that people keep drawing attention to them so much. Bingo. I can't take him serious when he rambles off and attacks people's character. You can be a good music critic without resorting to personal blows or attacks against artists (ex: Pitchfork, Rolling Stone). He simply uses the internet to talk a bunch of smack and get others who share similar view points to laugh because he has no filter or respect. He can have 5,000 great quality articles on his website every week, but every disrespectful one we get where he trashes young adults in their 20's (like Kelsea Ballerini and Scotty McCreery) will completely negate anything else he does.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 22:15:17 GMT -5
It's ok if you don't like his reviews, hell I find some of them a tad harsh myself, but to say that there aren't quality stories on there is complete bulls**t. I never see anyone posting quality stores from that website on Pulse, it's always "look at this over-the-top harshly-written almost-personal-sounding negative review of this song and how many times he can use a thesaurus to call something garbage in a fancy way!" If the site has interesting stories, then cool, but all I ever see people using that site for is to post on how he's expressed an extremely negative review on a song that's riddled with absolute bulls**t like even making a suggestion that oral sex is implied in the bridge of this song. Vile. Any credibility I can give that site for the non-review material they post is thrown out the window thanks to a constant stream of classless negative reviews. He resorts to a level of shock value that is just not appropriate for a professional review site, so it irks me that people keep drawing attention to them so much. Here's a story you might like It's strictly news, and the reason I enjoy the site. www.savingcountrymusic.com/ryman-auditorium-fires-employee-after-trying-to-set-up-joey-feek-prayer-vigilI get what you're saying though, and I understand the frustration. I personally don't feel linking the rants is necessary. The comments that ensue are just as sickening, if not more so than any other problem we have in country music today. But, my point is, that's not all he does, and that's what I wanted to address. Certainly wasn't trying to signal anyone out. :)
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 16, 2015 22:24:55 GMT -5
I never see anyone posting quality stores from that website on Pulse, it's always "look at this over-the-top harshly-written almost-personal-sounding negative review of this song and how many times he can use a thesaurus to call something garbage in a fancy way!" If the site has interesting stories, then cool, but all I ever see people using that site for is to post on how he's expressed an extremely negative review on a song that's riddled with absolute bulls**t like even making a suggestion that oral sex is implied in the bridge of this song. Vile. Any credibility I can give that site for the non-review material they post is thrown out the window thanks to a constant stream of classless negative reviews. He resorts to a level of shock value that is just not appropriate for a professional review site, so it irks me that people keep drawing attention to them so much. Here's a story you might like It's strictly news, and the reason I enjoy the site. www.savingcountrymusic.com/ryman-auditorium-fires-employee-after-trying-to-set-up-joey-feek-prayer-vigilI get what you're saying though, and I understand the frustration. I personally don't feel linking the rants is necessary. The comments that ensue are just as sickening, if not more so than any other problem we have in country music today. But, my point is, that's not all he does, and that's what I wanted to address. Certainly wasn't trying to signal anyone out. :) That's fine. No harm done. I just think that the fact that his reviews are what keep getting linked to here are a testament to what kind of culture he cultivates with that blog. He clearly draws readers in with shock value and that takes away from the more important things that he does or could be talking about instead. It'd be like reading a blog where Miley Cyrus goes back and forth between posting nudes and posting videos addressing domestic violence and homelessness and stuff of that nature (which is a fairly appropriate analogy to make since she's done a lot for homelessness, despite most people thinking of her as 'that trashy white girl who twerks and gets naked all the time'). Any schmuck can make a blog, so seeing those reviews just get constantly thrown around like they were from the Wall Street Journal is just tiring and almost offensive.
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 16, 2015 22:25:11 GMT -5
I've never heard how many albums he was signed to make when he signed his contract. I do know that Mercury and Idol's 19 Recordings split the profits. Same with Lauren. That may be another reason why his and her promo has never seemed to be as urgent as some others on the label. You know Eric Church said it best on his track "Princess of Darkness" about Nashville when he states "You see, it all comes down to money. Not romantic art from days gone past. If you forget that rule, you can bet your backside she will bury it in your ass." In other words if Scotty and Lauren made 100% profit for UMG/Mercury, we'd have seen different results by now. Typically it's multiple albums. Like Carrie for example I know was bound for at least 5 albums, if not 6. The 5 albums for Carrie, Kelly, etc. was when Idol had Sony as the label. Scotty is with UMG/Mercury. It's possible that the label had a shorter contract. Also, by the time Scotty was on Idol the show had a couple of seasons of not as successful winners & UMG could have drawn up the contract differently due to that. Of course, this is just speculation since no one knows the contract (at least in recent years).
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 16, 2015 22:53:45 GMT -5
First listen: "Alfred E. Neuman makes a very unconvincing bro."
Second listen: The melody is really neat, and it feels like both Scotty and Frank Rogers are pushing themselves a bit on this one. Scotty feels like he's getting more comfortable in his voice and he gives this a good amount of energy. Certainly a far cry from the Don Williams III he was trying to be on his debut, or the awkward transition he was making on the second album.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 16, 2015 23:26:03 GMT -5
Typically it's multiple albums. Like Carrie for example I know was bound for at least 5 albums, if not 6. The 5 albums for Carrie, Kelly, etc. was when Idol had Sony as the label. Scotty is with UMG/Mercury. It's possible that the label had a shorter contract. Also, by the time Scotty was on Idol the show had a couple of seasons of not as successful winners & UMG could have drawn up the contract differently due to that. Of course, this is just speculation since no one knows the contract (at least in recent years). Yeah, I honestly doubt that Scotty's initial contract was for 5 albums. I wouldn't be surprised if it was probably for just one or two and then after that they renegotiated to add more, because we've seen many other winners from the show get one or two albums at most and then be cut loose from their contract due to lack of success. Obviously Scotty has performed pretty well overall, so I imagine that they held onto him even if the contract was originally only for an album or two.
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Post by 19waves on Nov 17, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5
assuming he's contract is for 4-5 albums, If scotty's contract is coming to an end, realistically what are the chances he'll stay with them? I kinda say that they're doing a piss poor job at promoting his singles but at the same time he's young and both him and his team are trying to figure out how to market him properly.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 18, 2015 12:17:04 GMT -5
All this talk of Trigger and SCM reminds me of The 9513. I remember they would almost always bash songs for spurious reasons. Like, their review of "Why" by Rascal Flatts was to the effect of "This song is really really good, and it's a welcome break from the screech-fests they're putting out. It really touches the feels. But it's too long, so thumbs down." Or they'd thumbs-up a song just because they liked the artist (Gary Allan) even if they thought the song was crap. Jim Malec was probably their worst writer in these regards (although I still think he had a valid point on "Back That Thing Up").
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 30, 2015 16:05:33 GMT -5
No adds again. I believe in the entire month of November it only got 2 adds. That's awful for a lead single from an artist who had 2 back to back top 10s. Radio seemed excited for this song in July. I guess a lot changed when the label pulled it and gave it the September add date instead. It has only made high as #49 on MB. Maybe this song needs to be scrapped and a whole new song tried in January. I know they want the album and book to come out at the same time in May. What a bummer start to the 3rd album era. I never imagined this song would get off to a worse start than "Water Tower Town" did.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 30, 2015 16:19:08 GMT -5
Thanks. I'll leave my post in the non-singles thread and delete here.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Nov 30, 2015 17:43:38 GMT -5
I'm mad at how bad this is doing! Hope the label won't give up
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 30, 2015 18:03:08 GMT -5
I'm mad at how bad this is doing! Hope the label won't give up I think part of the problem is the label hasn't even tried.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 18:07:17 GMT -5
I think the label has tried but the chart right now is super jam packed with what it feels like a ton of new artists the A-Listers (Carrie,Luke,FGL,Blake) all having or going to have new songs.. Add to the fact that Scotty song isn't selling well (limited AirPlay does play a role). This one just screamed a song destined to get lost in the pack.
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 30, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -5
I think the label has tried but the chart right now is super jam packed with what it feels like a ton of new artists the A-Listers (Carrie,Luke,FGL,Blake) all having or going to have new songs.. Add to the fact that Scotty song isn't selling well (limited AirPlay does play a role). This one just screamed a song destined to get lost in the pack. Very true. Also, I think the delay by the label for whatever reason has hurt the song. It seems like there was more interest by radio in July when it was originally intended to be released.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 30, 2015 18:25:22 GMT -5
I think the label has tried but the chart right now is super jam packed with what it feels like a ton of new artists the A-Listers (Carrie,Luke,FGL,Blake) all having or going to have new songs.. Add to the fact that Scotty song isn't selling well (limited AirPlay does play a role). This one just screamed a song destined to get lost in the pack. Very true. Also, I think the delay by the label for whatever reason has hurt the song. It seems like there was more interest by radio in July when it was originally intended to be released. Yes I think that played a big part. This is more of a "Summer into Fall" song. It was perfect for July. No reason was ever given why it was taken back. Radio seemed very interested back then. I think it pissed alot of programmers off who had already started playing it, fans calling in liking it, then told they had to stop playing it for 2 months. That defies all logic in releasing a debut single from an album radio. If they like it, run with it, don't make them stop playing it! I think overall that doomed this song before it had a chance to get back on it's feet. Why Mercury did something so stupid I'll never understand. The Charlotte station 96.9 is one of the few stations REALLY on board with this. They play it alot. He's also headlining their Christmas show announced today and it's already nearly sold out. In the past despite it being in his home state, WKKT has been slow to warm to his singles until late in the game. Radio does have interest in Scotty, they just don't want to be "played" like what Mercury did to them with SB's release.
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 30, 2015 18:44:20 GMT -5
I'm mad at how bad this is doing! Hope the label won't give up I think part of the problem is the label hasn't even tried. I think they have tried. There is a lyric video (usually doesn't have one) & a music video which was released fairly early considering his previous singles. Now, they definitely could have tried more for getting radio on-board more. But there's other factors I think in-play here (Ex. packed chart, pretty long break from radio, etc.)
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 30, 2015 18:47:33 GMT -5
The time of year is not affecting this single. Uptempos like this work any time of the year. Mercury is trying their best to make this single work. It's not as if they moved the add date back for the hell of it; usually a single being pushed back means that something with the scheduling and/or radio promotion department is unsettled and they needed more time to sort things out. Having the song be given that original add date can be criticized but I can assure everyone that this label is not giving this single a half-hearted effort.
I just think Scotty's getting lost in the shuffle at radio, nothing more. There's only so many spins to go around and unfortunately, the sales and buzz just haven't been there in radio's eyes and there are other artists that are the flavors of the month. Scotty's recent two top 10 singles are not enough to guarantee a successful lead single for his follow-up project. This particular song never screamed hit to me, although that was just my own personal assessment. There's still some time for this to be an ultra slow-climber like "See You Tonight" was but the New Year might be this one's downfall if things don't pick up soon.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 12, 2015 13:43:00 GMT -5
This song dropped off the Music Row chart, despite having positive numbers last week. I have heard hints that the single was being pulled in favor of another song after the new year. This seems to confirm it. I don't think anyone imagined this single would tank so hard and not even out peak "Water Tower Town." Let's hope the next release has a smoother start than this had. It seems like with SB everything that could wrong, did. I have a good idea what the new single is from some people I talk to, but I don't wanna say just yet. It could change.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Dec 31, 2015 1:17:44 GMT -5
Still #52 on Mediabase and #45 on the Airplay
Yet to enter BB Hot Country Songs?? Is this song in danger? :/
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 31, 2015 8:58:40 GMT -5
Still #52 on Mediabase and #45 on the Airplay Yet to enter BB Hot Country Songs?? Is this song in danger? :/ I don't know. After fifteen weeks on the airplay chart, it is at #45. We'll have to wait until after the new year to see if it can move up the chart. I know that Scotty McCreery's goal for 2016 is to have a #1 hit. I hope it happens.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 31, 2015 14:07:30 GMT -5
Still #52 on Mediabase and #45 on the Airplay Yet to enter BB Hot Country Songs?? Is this song in danger? :/ Since sales/streaming are a component of that chart, it's normal for a song that's airplay is outpacing its sales/streaming/etc. to be a fair bit higher on Country Airplay. I'd expect this to make the Hot Country Songs chart once this hits Top 40 on airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 14:10:16 GMT -5
If this hits the Top 40 on airplay. Scotty song hasn't moved much at all and I won't be surprised to see Scotty falling off early in 2016.
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