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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -5
Good news Due to 2 consecutive bulletless weeks Honey I'm Good is eligible for recurrency (cue celebration).
In in all seriousness can this song just leave this song wasn't a good idea to release to radio and I'm glad to see this flopping.
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Post by trebor on Sept 29, 2015 10:45:35 GMT -5
I shouldn't be mean spirited but I won't shed a tear when this goes recurrent next week...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 20:01:56 GMT -5
I liked it, still like it, but it never did any damage, so if it goes or stays is irrelevant.
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Post by trebor on Sept 30, 2015 8:31:54 GMT -5
I liked it, still like it, but it never did any damage, so if it goes or stays is irrelevant.Don't agree. ;) It's taking up airtime on genre stations which should be committed to country music (in the narrower understanding of country music). It potentially may have prevented core artists to grab the number 60 slot on the national country airplay chart (James Otto, Kristian Bush). Waste of promo budget and staff hours by BMLG that could have been spent on any of the talent that is out there waiting for that chance. Good that it's backfiring on BMLG. Next in line: The Band Perry...
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Post by samsager3 on Sept 30, 2015 9:50:27 GMT -5
I liked it, still like it, but it never did any damage, so if it goes or stays is irrelevant.Don't agree. ;) It's taking up airtime on genre stations which should be committed to country music (in the narrower understanding of country music). It potentially may have prevented core artists to grab the number 60 slot on the national country airplay chart (James Otto, Kristian Bush). Waste of promo budget and staff hours by BMLG that could have been spent on any of the talent that is out there waiting for that chance. Good that it's backfiring on BMLG. Next in line: The Band Perry... Your wrong this song deserved the spot it got you say Kristian Bush should get this spot no I don't like his stuff solo or as a group at all. And James Otto was good but recent stuff just isn't up to par so maybe if core artists up there game they won't get left out in that sense maybe songs like this are good for the core artists as it forces them to release more quality materiel that will either sell or get promoted more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 10:02:45 GMT -5
Don't agree. ;) It's taking up airtime on genre stations which should be committed to country music (in the narrower understanding of country music). It potentially may have prevented core artists to grab the number 60 slot on the national country airplay chart (James Otto, Kristian Bush). Waste of promo budget and staff hours by BMLG that could have been spent on any of the talent that is out there waiting for that chance. Good that it's backfiring on BMLG. Next in line: The Band Perry... Your wrong this song deserved the spot it got you say Kristian Bush should get this spot no I don't like his stuff solo or as a group at all. And James Otto was good but recent stuff just isn't up to par so maybe if core artists up there game they won't get left out in that sense maybe songs like this are good for the core artists as it forces them to release more quality materiel that will either sell or get promoted more. I fail to see how a remixed Pop song "deserved" a place on the COUNTRY charts?
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 30, 2015 10:38:43 GMT -5
Don't agree. ;) It's taking up airtime on genre stations which should be committed to country music (in the narrower understanding of country music). It potentially may have prevented core artists to grab the number 60 slot on the national country airplay chart (James Otto, Kristian Bush). Waste of promo budget and staff hours by BMLG that could have been spent on any of the talent that is out there waiting for that chance. Good that it's backfiring on BMLG. Next in line: The Band Perry... Your wrong this song deserved the spot it got you say Kristian Bush should get this spot no I don't like his stuff solo or as a group at all. And James Otto was good but recent stuff just isn't up to par so maybe if core artists up there game they won't get left out in that sense maybe songs like this are good for the core artists as it forces them to release more quality materiel that will either sell or get promoted more. Saying that Kristian Bush and James Otto's material isn't up to par is your opinion so please don't state it like its cold hard fact. Music quality is subjective, and it doesn't equate to what songs do well or don't do well on the airplay charts. trebor's point was that "Honey, I'm Good" is a one-off pop release to country radio that more than likely wasn't going to succeed. I agree that it wasn't a good move in their part (although, understandable, since BMLG has swung for the fence with pop material lately) and releasing an original EYB lead single would have been better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:09:57 GMT -5
Your wrong this song deserved the spot it got you say Kristian Bush should get this spot no I don't like his stuff solo or as a group at all. And James Otto was good but recent stuff just isn't up to par so maybe if core artists up there game they won't get left out in that sense maybe songs like this are good for the core artists as it forces them to release more quality materiel that will either sell or get promoted more. I fail to see how a remixed Pop song "deserved" a place on the COUNTRY charts? But it's a country remix of a pop song, and imo it actually sounds "countrier" than a lot of the stuff that is in the top-20 on the charts. I actually hear country instruments in the song. It's basically the same as when a country song crosses over to pop and gets a remix. Do those songs not deserve to be played on pop radio? Anyway, I think the reason this didn't do well is simply the research. It yielded a very high negative rate on the callout charts, which is basically a death sentence on the airplay charts.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 30, 2015 12:15:50 GMT -5
I fail to see how a remixed Pop song "deserved" a place on the COUNTRY charts? Anyway, I think the reason this didn't do well is simply the research. It yielded a very high negative rate on the callout charts, which is basically a death sentence on the airplay charts. It also had a heavy burn rate. We've mentioned before that country radio isn't entirely listened to fans who make the country genre their one and only genre anymore. Basically, many people who were surveyed did not desire to hear "Honey, I'm Good" since they were already sick of it on pop radio. Not to mention the core country fans who didn't like it to begin with. This one never stood a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:22:46 GMT -5
I fail to see how a remixed Pop song "deserved" a place on the COUNTRY charts? But it's a country remix of a pop song, and imo it actually sounds "countrier" than a lot of the stuff that is in the top-20 on the charts. I actually hear country instruments in the song. It's basically the same as when a country song crosses over to pop and gets a remix. Do those songs not deserve to be played on pop radio? Anyway, I think the reason this didn't do well is simply the research. It yielded a very high negative rate on the callout charts, which is basically a death sentence on the airplay charts. A country remix of a pop song is the last thing the country genre needs. What's next we allow a Nicki Minaj or Miley Cyrus to climb the country charts (cringes). Besides we have enough pop music being marketed as country's on the charts. Also the mainstream music realm can afford to drop a few major labeled artists (Gloriana, Eli Young Band, Swon Brothers). When a country song crosses over to pop no matter how successful or unsuccessful its because it has pop influence in the song (Take Your Time Girl Crush Cruise Wanted) all songs with an abundance of pop influence in them with Honey I'm Good the song never gad country to begin with and the token banjo and mandolin didn't make it really that country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 15:01:40 GMT -5
I fail to see how a remixed Pop song "deserved" a place on the COUNTRY charts? But it's a country remix of a pop song, and imo it actually sounds "countrier" than a lot of the stuff that is in the top-20 on the charts. I actually hear country instruments in the song. It's basically the same as when a country song crosses over to pop and gets a remix. Do those songs not deserve to be played on pop radio? Anyway, I think the reason this didn't do well is simply the research. It yielded a very high negative rate on the callout charts, which is basically a death sentence on the airplay charts. I'm not actively chanting that things like this shouldn't be released. I don't like necessarily like it, but mainstream country has WAY bigger problems than this. Frankly, I don't care because I figured this would do next to nothing. When I said it doesn't "deserve" it, I meant that a remixed pop song doesn't "deserve" to ascend up the charts as quickly as well, country songs, not that they didn't actually have a right to do it.
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Post by bboat11 on Sept 30, 2015 15:06:06 GMT -5
But it's a country remix of a pop song, and imo it actually sounds "countrier" than a lot of the stuff that is in the top-20 on the charts. I actually hear country instruments in the song. It's basically the same as when a country song crosses over to pop and gets a remix. Do those songs not deserve to be played on pop radio? Anyway, I think the reason this didn't do well is simply the research. It yielded a very high negative rate on the callout charts, which is basically a death sentence on the airplay charts. What's next we allow a Nicki Minaj or Miley Cyrus to climb the country charts (cringes). Miley has actually put a decent dent in the country charts before! Cue "The Climb". It may have been somewhat of a cliche song, but I found it quite enjoyable and there is no denying that it was country music. Although to be fair it was very early in her music career, when she was still known more as Hannah Montana and an actress than as a pop musician, and well before she started going off the rails...
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 30, 2015 15:28:26 GMT -5
Miley Cyrus DOES have a top ten hit to her credit (godmother Dolly Parton would be proud). Here is the chart where she peaked with her father, Billy Ray Cyrus with Ready, Set, Don't Go:
BILLBOARD TOP TEN FOR WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 9, 2008: 1. Letter To Me-Brad Paisley-Arista 2. Winner At A Losing Game-Rascal Flatts-Lyric Street 3. Watching Airplanes-Gary Allan-MCA 4. READY, SET, DON'T GO-BILLY RAY CYRUS AND MILEY CYRUS-WALT DISNEY 5. What Do Ya Think About That-Montgomery Gentry-Columbia 6. Our Song-Taylor Swift-Big Machine 7. Cleaning This Gun Come On In Boy-Rodney Atkins-Curb 8. Everybody-Keith Urban-Capitol 9. Shiftwork-Kenny Chesney and George Strait-BNA 10. Stay-Sugarland-Mercury
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 16:00:18 GMT -5
What's next we allow a Nicki Minaj or Miley Cyrus to climb the country charts (cringes). Miley has actually put a decent dent in the country charts before! Cue "The Climb". It may have been somewhat of a cliche song, but I found it quite enjoyable and there is no denying that it was country music. Although to be fair it was very early in her music career, when she was still known more as Hannah Montana and an actress than as a pop musician, and well before she started going off the rails... Yeah I was speaking more like today style Miley Cyrus in country music .
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 30, 2015 18:54:29 GMT -5
"The Climb" was a wonderful song. I loved it and remember wishing that Miley Cyrus would go the country route after that song but obviously any and all hope of that happening was quickly dashed, lol.
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Post by samsager3 on Oct 1, 2015 5:47:36 GMT -5
Your wrong this song deserved the spot it got you say Kristian Bush should get this spot no I don't like his stuff solo or as a group at all. And James Otto was good but recent stuff just isn't up to par so maybe if core artists up there game they won't get left out in that sense maybe songs like this are good for the core artists as it forces them to release more quality materiel that will either sell or get promoted more. Saying that Kristian Bush and James Otto's material isn't up to par is your opinion so please don't state it like its cold hard fact. Music quality is subjective, and it doesn't equate to what songs do well or don't do well on the airplay charts. trebor's point was that "Honey, I'm Good" is a one-off pop release to country radio that more than likely wasn't going to succeed. I agree that it wasn't a good move in their part (although, understandable, since BMLG has swung for the fence with pop material lately) and releasing an original EYB lead single would have been better. Trebor stating that it was taking the spots that would have gone to james Otto or kristian bush was kind of stating that stuff as being better to be fact was it not? So before you jump on me please read the post you mentioning. Also aparently radio programmers agree with me weather it was a good move or not it got higher than either of those song for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 6:12:11 GMT -5
^Keep in mind that Kristian Bush and James Otto are on small independent record labels that have never seen the top-15 before, so it's not a 100% fair comparison you're making. Their labels don't have the resources, money, or connections that Big Machine has to work a single to radio.
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Post by trebor on Oct 1, 2015 6:41:11 GMT -5
^ ;) Happy that I hit a spot and sparked a remarkably lively, productive and interesting discussion! Thank you all for your input and participation.
To put things straight: I only mentioned James Otto and Kristian Bush because they were the most likely candidates ending up at #61; and you can add Cassadee Pope to that list. I didn't rate the song's or artist's merit, etc. [The ones who know me can guess my preferences... ;) lol]
Regarding the pop to country remixes, my stand is that should Andy Grammer have succeeded, it would have trailed a flood of bandwagon jumpers and unleash a plethora of similar crossovers. So in my opinion it's good that this venture failed.
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Post by trebor on Oct 1, 2015 6:45:24 GMT -5
^Keep in mind that Kristian Bush and James Otto are on small independent record labels that have never seen the top-15 before, so it's not a 100% fair comparison you're making. Their labels don't have the resources, money, or connections that Big Machine has to work a single to radio. Excellent point! :) Haven't thought of this aspect myself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 6:49:04 GMT -5
I just don't understand why everyone is so against this song. Disliking it is one thing, but it seems like people are simply upset because this is a song by a pop artist that has been remade into a country song. This may have originally been a pop song, but unlike a lot of songs that climb the country charts, this was actually made into a "real" country song, as in it has actually country instruments in it. I think this is way "countrier" than the average country radio release these days. What does the fact that this used to be a pop song have to do with whether the country version should be played on the radio?
This is such a common practice, remixing a song and releasing it to another format if it does really well in its native format or people think it sounds like it has potential to resonate with a different format's listeners. People had been saying HIG had country influences, and I'd even seen a few complaints by pop listeners that the original version was "too country." I don't see this re-release as part of the genre identity crisis people have been talking about. This was just a case of a big pop hit that had some country roots crossing over to the country format. This isn't the same as when a country artist "disrespects" the format by releasing a total pop song, or when a washed up singer from another format switches to country to try to get success in the latter part of their career.
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Post by trebor on Oct 1, 2015 7:07:39 GMT -5
^^ To everyone its own musical taste; and I'm happy that some of you enjoy this track. It's called diversity. Radio can play any song they want and that's what they do, actually. Some "country stations" even include Hot 100 Top 10 songs in their programming. It's been mentioned before here; what's irking is that it received a high profile launch and immediate block adds right of the bat. This comes at a time where the genre's future direction is unclear and at the same time seasoned artists with solid material are struggling. As already quoted, a token banjo, dobro, etc. doesn't automatically morph a track into a genuine country song. You stand correct, the discussion is a bit harsh on Andy Grammer but he serves here purely as the no-no example and scapegoat.
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Post by kw9461 on Oct 1, 2015 8:44:21 GMT -5
I just don't understand why everyone is so against this song. Disliking it is one thing, but it seems like people are simply upset because this is a song by a pop artist that has been remade into a country song. This may have originally been a pop song, but unlike a lot of songs that climb the country charts, this was actually made into a "real" country song, as in it has actually country instruments in it. I think this is way "countrier" than the average country radio release these days. What does the fact that this used to be a pop song have to do with whether the country version should be played on the radio? I think the disconnect is that many do NOT consider this a "real" country song. Throwing a few token instruments on a pop song does not a country song make in my book. I love EYB to death, but I'm beyond glad that this bombed. Now maybe they can get back to recording great music again.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 1, 2015 10:06:17 GMT -5
Saying that Kristian Bush and James Otto's material isn't up to par is your opinion so please don't state it like its cold hard fact. Music quality is subjective, and it doesn't equate to what songs do well or don't do well on the airplay charts. trebor's point was that "Honey, I'm Good" is a one-off pop release to country radio that more than likely wasn't going to succeed. I agree that it wasn't a good move in their part (although, understandable, since BMLG has swung for the fence with pop material lately) and releasing an original EYB lead single would have been better. Trebor stating that it was taking the spots that would have gone to james Otto or kristian bush was kind of stating that stuff as being better to be fact was it not? So before you jump on me please read the post you mentioning. Also aparently radio programmers agree with me weather it was a good move or not it got higher than either of those song for a reason. I think I'm not alone in thinking your post came off as if you were stating James Otto and Kristian Bush's sub par music as fact. You have to word your post better. They're also on small, independent labels. EYB is with Valory Music Company/BMLG and while they're technically a indie label, they have far more clout vs. Blaster and Streamsound. Comparing those songs and labels are comparing apples to oranges. Money and labels (size) are usually why songs don't go far on the charts, not because you don't like them.
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Post by samsager3 on Oct 1, 2015 20:06:23 GMT -5
Trebor stating that it was taking the spots that would have gone to james Otto or kristian bush was kind of stating that stuff as being better to be fact was it not? So before you jump on me please read the post you mentioning. Also aparently radio programmers agree with me weather it was a good move or not it got higher than either of those song for a reason. I think I'm not alone in thinking your post came off as if you were stating James Otto and Kristian Bush's sub par music as fact. You have to word your post better. They're also on small, independent labels. EYB is with Valory Music Company/BMLG and while they're technically a indie label, they have far more clout vs. Blaster and Streamsound. Comparing those songs and labels are comparing apples to oranges. Money and labels (size) are usually why songs don't go far on the charts, not because you don't like them. So Trebor should have never compared the songs? But he wasn't met with argumentative language like I was. The truth is this board as a whole hates when people go against their favorites. I'm sorry I have never been a sugarland fan at all and I have liked james Otto all up until this last song. That being said your right comparing these songs won't do munch good and the only reason I was even making such an assumption is because an analysis was being made saying this song was taking spins that would go to them and my whole point was those spins wouldn't just go to them by default. And your saying songs don't just become hits because I like them trust me I know that or little toy guns wouldn't have went anywhere near the top, but there does have to be a certain fan satisfaction to what's being played. Yes big machine is a bigger independent label now but when they first we're getting their foot in the door lets just say Taylor swift doesn't have a good fan reaction would Tim McGraw have been so fast to be a hit I'm doubtful it would have. Yes chart manipulation happens as it always has but fans taste has to come into play otherwise what's the point in stations worrying about ratings at all why not just play whatever the heck they feel like playing.
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Post by samsager3 on Oct 1, 2015 20:10:30 GMT -5
^^ To everyone its own musical taste; and I'm happy that some of you enjoy this track. It's called diversity. Radio can play any song they want and that's what they do, actually. Some "country stations" even include Hot 100 Top 10 songs in their programming. It's been mentioned before here; what's irking is that it received a high profile launch and immediate block adds right of the bat. This comes at a time where the genre's future direction is unclear and at the same time seasoned artists with solid material are struggling. As already quoted, a token banjo, dobro, etc. doesn't automatically morph a track into a genuine country song. You stand correct, the discussion is a bit harsh on Andy Grammer but he serves here purely as the no-no example and scapegoat. And how does one assess what is country? What might be country to me might not be to you. Would Tim McGraw have been country to the generation that grew up listening to Waylon Jennings? Probably not in my estimation. Also crossovers have always happened in this genre what I think really irks you is that they are more sucessful in the genre than they ever have been before and if that's the truth of the matter I can understand that, but simply say it shouldn't do well because YOU don't consider it country I can't agree with that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 20:16:37 GMT -5
I think I'm not alone in thinking your post came off as if you were stating James Otto and Kristian Bush's sub par music as fact. You have to word your post better. They're also on small, independent labels. EYB is with Valory Music Company/BMLG and while they're technically a indie label, they have far more clout vs. Blaster and Streamsound. Comparing those songs and labels are comparing apples to oranges. Money and labels (size) are usually why songs don't go far on the charts, not because you don't like them. So Trebor should have never compared the songs? But he wasn't met with argumentative language like I was. The truth is this board as a whole hates when people go against their favorites. I'm sorry I have never been a sugarland fan at all and I have liked james Otto all up until this last song. That being said your right comparing these songs won't do munch good and the only reason I was even making such an assumption is because an analysis was being made saying this song was taking spins that would go to them and my whole point was those spins wouldn't just go to them by default. And your saying songs don't just become hits because I like them trust me I know that or little toy guns wouldn't have went anywhere near the top, but there does have to be a certain fan satisfaction to what's being played. Yes big machine is a bigger independent label now but when they first we're getting their foot in the door lets just say Taylor swift doesn't have a good fan reaction would Tim McGraw have been so fast to be a hit I'm doubtful it would have. Yes chart manipulation happens as it always has but fans taste has to come into play otherwise what's the point in stations worrying about ratings at all why not just play whatever the heck they feel like playing. Trebor was just using a couple of low charting songs that probably came to mind that was it. He was saying it honestly and respectfully that's it. Was there really a point in bringing up Little Toy Guns after last time ;). Finally the research shows that not many people wanted this song to do well as the research was terribile as sabre14 explained beforehand. Taylor Swift though did have a good fan reaction with Tim McGraw and Big Machine at that time was I think was similar to what Black River is now where they could get the hits just it would take a long while. Hope I didn't confuse you :)
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Post by samsager3 on Oct 1, 2015 20:21:41 GMT -5
So Trebor should have never compared the songs? But he wasn't met with argumentative language like I was. The truth is this board as a whole hates when people go against their favorites. I'm sorry I have never been a sugarland fan at all and I have liked james Otto all up until this last song. That being said your right comparing these songs won't do munch good and the only reason I was even making such an assumption is because an analysis was being made saying this song was taking spins that would go to them and my whole point was those spins wouldn't just go to them by default. And your saying songs don't just become hits because I like them trust me I know that or little toy guns wouldn't have went anywhere near the top, but there does have to be a certain fan satisfaction to what's being played. Yes big machine is a bigger independent label now but when they first we're getting their foot in the door lets just say Taylor swift doesn't have a good fan reaction would Tim McGraw have been so fast to be a hit I'm doubtful it would have. Yes chart manipulation happens as it always has but fans taste has to come into play otherwise what's the point in stations worrying about ratings at all why not just play whatever the heck they feel like playing. Trebor was just using a couple of low charting songs that probably came to mind that was it. He was saying it honestly and respectfully that's it. Was there really a point in bringing up Little Toy Guns after last time ;). Finally the research shows that not many people wanted this song to do well as the research was terribile as sabre14 explained beforehand. Taylor Swift though did have a good fan reaction with Tim McGraw and Big Machine at that time was I think was similar to what Black River is now where they could get the hits just it would take a long while. Hope I didn't confuse you :) You didn't confuse me at all. And yes your right the " little toy guns"reference was a littl out of place but I guess it was to prove that just because I don't like a song doesn't stop it from being a hit and I'm aware of that. But honestly I don't always think the research is totally honest either as to subjective as to who they poll. This song has sold way more on any chart you look at than either of the lower charting song. And your right about big machine and Taylor swift I was merely saying that if those labels that james Otto or Kristina bush are so small they could hold themselves up if ether artist had something fans trulely were asking for radio wouldn't go out of their way to avoid it obviously. And if the labels out in the work they could still build spins was my pint I guess regardless of wether they are a small label or not
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 20:29:51 GMT -5
Trebor was just using a couple of low charting songs that probably came to mind that was it. He was saying it honestly and respectfully that's it. Was there really a point in bringing up Little Toy Guns after last time ;). Finally the research shows that not many people wanted this song to do well as the research was terribile as sabre14 explained beforehand. Taylor Swift though did have a good fan reaction with Tim McGraw and Big Machine at that time was I think was similar to what Black River is now where they could get the hits just it would take a long while. Hope I didn't confuse you :) You didn't confuse me at all. And yes your right the " little toy guns"reference was a littl out of place but I guess it was to prove that just because I don't like a song doesn't stop it from being a hit and I'm aware of that. But honestly I don't always think the research is totally honest either as to subjective as to who they poll. This song has sold way more on any chart you look at than either of the lower charting song. And your right about big machine and Taylor swift I was merely saying that if those labels that james Otto or Kristina bush are so small they could hold themselves up if ether artist had something fans trulely were asking for radio wouldn't go out of their way to avoid it obviously. And if the labels out in the work they could still build spins was my pint I guess regardless of wether they are a small label or not Wow first off Kristina Bush I can't wait to meet more female talent. Anyways like sabre14 mentioned labels play roles but now there are just way too many labels Warner Sony Broken Bow and all those imprints Black River is gaining ground and Big Machine now labels like Blaster, Streamsound, Thirty Tigers, i2une Nashville there looks to be no room for them except for a few acts like maybe LoCash right now which has now made me think and I want a thread discussion for this... Does Mainstream Country Music have too many artists it can hold right now.
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Post by samsager3 on Oct 1, 2015 20:36:02 GMT -5
You didn't confuse me at all. And yes your right the " little toy guns"reference was a littl out of place but I guess it was to prove that just because I don't like a song doesn't stop it from being a hit and I'm aware of that. But honestly I don't always think the research is totally honest either as to subjective as to who they poll. This song has sold way more on any chart you look at than either of the lower charting song. And your right about big machine and Taylor swift I was merely saying that if those labels that james Otto or Kristina bush are so small they could hold themselves up if ether artist had something fans trulely were asking for radio wouldn't go out of their way to avoid it obviously. And if the labels out in the work they could still build spins was my pint I guess regardless of wether they are a small label or not Wow first off Kristina Bush I can't wait to meet more female talent. Anyways like sabre14 mentioned labels play roles but now there are just way too many labels Warner Sony Broken Bow and all those imprints Black River is gaining ground and Big Machine now labels like Blaster, Streamsound, Thirty Tigers, i2une Nashville there looks to be no room for them except for a few acts like maybe LoCash right now which has now made me think and I want a thread discussion for this... Does Mainstream Country Music have too many artists it can hold right now. Thanks for commenting on the autocorrect mark you always catch their when I type and I can laugh about it just as munch as I do have that problem lol. And secondly yes I totally agree with you on this subject I'm actually amazed at the success low cash is seeing. I have liked them for a while it just amazes me and I do agree mainstream country has too many artists already at the moment. And this may strike you as odd for me to say but I love this song as an Andy grammar country crossover but attaching Eli Young Band to it was dumb it wasn't needed and did nothing for them. I feel like they are just pandering to radio too munch anymore and it doesn't feel authentic but more of the label wanting more success than their long charting singles, and that's not gonna happen through this route at least I don't think so.
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 1, 2015 22:13:17 GMT -5
I think I'm not alone in thinking your post came off as if you were stating James Otto and Kristian Bush's sub par music as fact. You have to word your post better. They're also on small, independent labels. EYB is with Valory Music Company/BMLG and while they're technically a indie label, they have far more clout vs. Blaster and Streamsound. Comparing those songs and labels are comparing apples to oranges. Money and labels (size) are usually why songs don't go far on the charts, not because you don't like them. So Trebor should have never compared the songs? But he wasn't met with argumentative language like I was. The truth is this board as a whole hates when people go against their favorites. I'm sorry I have never been a sugarland fan at all and I have liked james Otto all up until this last song. That being said your right comparing these songs won't do munch good and the only reason I was even making such an assumption is because an analysis was being made saying this song was taking spins that would go to them and my whole point was those spins wouldn't just go to them by default. Regarding the James Otto and Kristian Bush thing, I think you are focusing hyper-specifically on one thing trebor said, and in the process skewing his whole argument and putting words in his mouth. This is what he said: Nowhere did he say that if Andy Grammer had never released this song to country radio, those spins would have automatically gone to James Otto and Kristian Bush. What he is saying is that because "Honey, I'm Good" is on the country charts, there is one less spot available for everyone else. James and Kristian were just a couple of examples of artists who are fighting to make it onto the chart right now; he could have easily mentioned dozens of other names. Such as Rainey Qualley, or even Don Henley/Martina. The names he chose are not relevant; the point is that one of those songs might have had the opportunity to chart had there been one more opening. If the song at #61 this week suddenly loses spins, it will disappear having never charted, whereas if "Honey, I'm Good" was not taking up chart space, that #61 song would probably have been able to make #60 this week, therefore making it onto a published chart before going recurrent. Sure, when a song's spins are that low, it hardly matters in the grand scheme of things whether they peaked at #60 or never even made the chart. And it of course would be an egregious generalization to state that "Honey, I'm Good" is THE song that is preventing lower songs from charting. But Trebor is not making a specific argument that this song is preventing Kristian and James from charting; he is arguing from a matter of principle, saying that a crossover pop song should not necessarily take priority over songs by established country artists on country radio. You are of course right when you say that the spins would not go to James and Kristian by default. You're both right! The problem is that you are arguing with points that Trebor didn't even make. He was not met with argumentative language because he has said nothing to warrant argument. He has offered opinions, thereby contributing to the discussion. Also, I am sorry you feel that this forum plays favorites. I know that I like to think of it as a welcoming place to have healthy discussions about music, and I am sorry your experience has been different. What I have found is that it can be difficult to have healthy discussions if people do not take the time to thoroughly understand each other.
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