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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 15:51:30 GMT -5
It's weird to me that we're not criticizing Taylor Swift's entry-level feminism that is constantly heralded as game-changing and bold. You asked for it. You got it. I’ve been listening. [/Janet voice] While yesterday's drama continues to unfold in both Taylor's and Nicki's respective threads, this entry-level feminism is something that I've noticed and kind of cringed at for a while now. There's a great article that quite eloquently sums up my personal feelings on the matter. Here's some excerpts. Personally I think this hits several nails on the head. Taylor, who adorns herself with runway model BFF's to portray her feminism, plays the sisterhood card as a marketing technique- and her impressionable teenage falls fall right into it. I actually think it's disgusting that Taylor knows damn well that her teenage fans are at an age where popularity is everything- and evils ranging from bullying to bulimia exist- only to promote an "only models in my crew. How empowering!" mantra on her stage show. Where do you guys stand on it? Is Taylor sincere? Is her brand of feminism helping or hurting the general movement? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 16:09:26 GMT -5
Celebrity takes popular stance on social issue, uses it for positive press. This isn't news. Taylor is to feminism as Gaga was to gay rights: ultimately, nothing.
As for yesterday's debacle, Taylor was no less an idiot than Nicki. She only bothered working the feminist angle because she was being subtweeted, completely missed what Nicki was getting at in doing so, and is herself noted for creating the infamous Katy Perry beef that directly contradicts her whole "don't pit two women against each other!!!" stance. Neither of these girls needs to be painted as champions of some greater justice right now, but try telling that to a media who, for some reason, feels compelled to pick a side.
ETA: On that note, the aftermath of recent events is no reason to call for the end of their careers. Not that anyone is doing that here, but social media is on that bulls**t. Like, ffs, everyone is a hypocrite and acts a fool from time to time. These women just got caught doing it publicly.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 22, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -5
people have way too much free time on their hands to be complaining about this
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Post by Mic Technique on Jul 22, 2015 17:05:07 GMT -5
Celebrity takes popular stance on social issue, uses it for positive press. This isn't news. Taylor is to feminism as Gaga was to the gay rights: ultimately, nothing. This is where it begins and ends. No need to single out Swift. In the larger context of pop culture, feminism is a marketing gimmick that confers social rewards. Celebrities know what critical capital they reap even just by hinting at it—especially if there is any racialized element to it in these Times of Struggle. And the fact that a brief Twitter interaction triggered by Minaj's own subtweet sparked a thousand thinkpieces is a sign that we're all fucking stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 17:09:02 GMT -5
Celebrity takes popular stance on social issue, uses it for positive press. This isn't news. Taylor is to feminism as Gaga was to the gay rights: ultimately, nothing. This is where it begins and ends. No need to single out Swift. In the larger context of pop culture, feminism is a marketing gimmick that confers social rewards. Celebrities know what critical capital they reap even just by hinting at it—especially if there is any racialized element to it in these Times of Struggle. And the fact that a brief Twitter interaction triggered by Minaj's own subtweet sparked a thousand thinkpieces is a sign that we're all f**king stupid.Or no better than the celebrities we're taking to task. Let's be real, half most of these articles are hypocritical click bait. |
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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 17:16:18 GMT -5
people have way too much free time on their hands to be complaining about this Maybe, maybe not. From a stan war perspective then of course. But if I were the parent of an impressionable teen with an eating disorder who idolizes someone like Taylor Swift, I'd be quite concerned that feminism = clique of beautiful models and I'd follow the message she's sending her fans quite closely. |
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 22, 2015 17:18:24 GMT -5
people have way too much free time on their hands to be complaining about this Maybe, maybe not. From a stan war perspective then of course. But if I were the parent of an impressionable teen with an eating disorder who idolizes someone like Taylor Swift, I'd be quite concerned that feminism = clique of beautiful models and I'd follow the message she's sending her fans quite closely. or you might be overanalyzing a little bit |
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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 17:22:27 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not. From a stan war perspective then of course. But if I were the parent of an impressionable teen with an eating disorder who idolizes someone like Taylor Swift, I'd be quite concerned that feminism = clique of beautiful models and I'd follow the message she's sending her fans quite closely. or you might be overanalyzing a little bit Did you read the article I posted? (Well, obviously not). I'm referring to the quite valid points that have been made (and not Twitter stan wars for once). |
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 22, 2015 17:31:29 GMT -5
or you might be overanalyzing a little bit Did you read the article I posted? (Well, obviously not). I'm referring to the quite valid points that have been made (and not Twitter stan wars for once). I just did, and I don't feel as if it made many valid points at all. It's very nitpicky and reaches quite a bit for its arguments. I don't see any wrongs in anything Taylor did in the article. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 22, 2015 17:32:56 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is a hypocrite, but anyone who didn't know that already is a dunce. I honestly believe, though, that Taylor honestly believes she's a purely good person, but it's not like that's a bad thing. Especially when given the fact that Taylor genuinely is a good-hearted person. She's just hypocritical when it comes to her take on feminism. Everyone has their flaws. It's not like Nicki Minaj was wrong when she spoke her mind on racism in the music industry, but she did blatantly take a huge stab at Taylor and tried to backtrack when called out on it. people have way too much free time on their hands to be complaining about this Maybe, maybe not. From a stan war perspective then of course. But if I were the parent of an impressionable teen with an eating disorder who idolizes someone like Taylor Swift, I'd be quite concerned that feminism = clique of beautiful models and I'd follow the message she's sending her fans quite closely. I think this takes it a bit too far, though. Sure, Taylor is thin and all, but she does have a good message to give to those that look up to her. It's also completely rare for anyone to look up to only one particular person, and as long as there's someone else there to pick up the slack where Taylor is lacking, then I see no problem. Besides, I believe parents should talk there children and discuss things like this anyway. Honestly, as long as we're talking about good role models, Nicki Minaj herself isn't that bad of one. She's sexualized all to hell and of course has the plastic surgery thing which may or may not be sending a good message, but big fans of Nicki will be able to cite several instances where she's handled things with extreme maturity and has acted in a way a good role model should. Parents should really look into things like this and talk to their children about these kinds of things. Taylor and Nicki alone aren't perfect role models, but together they actually make a good team (though, of course, still not perfect) when it comes to role models for feminism. |
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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 18:11:52 GMT -5
Sure, Taylor is thin and all, but she does have a good message to give to those that look up to her. So people keep saying. But what exactly is it? Care to elaborate? |
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Post by surfy on Jul 22, 2015 20:50:54 GMT -5
1. My take, there is a difference between the media pitting together two women when they actually have no beef. (Such as Taylor and Nicki) But, god forbid, Taylor writes a song about a disagreement with another girl, and she's criticized for it. (Like Taylor and whoever "Bad Blood"/"Better Than Revenge" is about)
2. I think that she should speak out more on body issues, but it isn't her fault that other people see her and her model friends and get insecure or feel bad about themselves. I get it, I have insecurities about my body, but I don't blame others about it and make them feel bad about it.
3. So just because she's a feminist, she has to be 100% female all the time? No... that is not her responsibility, and I feel like we're digging too deep into this argument.
4. Taylor is a celebrity, and her job is to promote herself and her image, that's what every celebrity does. Everyone is a hypocrite to some degree, but I don't see why everyone is sitting here attacking Taylor for it. I just feel like everyone is being hypercritical of the whole situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:38:20 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is not a feminist; she's an artist with a smart marketing team.
It's almost comical to me that so many people still buy into her "she wouldn't harm a fly" public image, because she's been so hypocritical and nasty at times.
The fact that Nicki went on GMA to gush about how the Twitter exchange was just a big misunderstanding and that she gushed about Taylor being sweet as pie sums up her image in a nutshell.
Her image is a massive marketing gimmick, and her fans eat it up no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 13:24:52 GMT -5
Not that I follow Taylor Swift closely or allow her music into my home but then again why should I ? I'm a grown adult who has heard better for years. Taylor and a few others are vultures who realize that feminism is like a fashion trend that's hot right now. So they capitalize on it and add it to their brand and sell the shit out of it to the general public of dumb and dumber.
Celebrities who truly have principles and stick to their guns are very few, in fact you could probably count them on one hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 15:36:24 GMT -5
1. My take, there is a difference between the media pitting together two women when they actually have no beef. (Such as Taylor and Nicki) But, god forbid, Taylor writes a song about a disagreement with another girl, and she's criticized for it. (Like Taylor and whoever "Bad Blood"/"Better Than Revenge" is about) 2. I think that she should speak out more on body issues, but it isn't her fault that other people see her and her model friends and get insecure or feel bad about themselves. I get it, I have insecurities about my body, but I don't blame others about it and make them feel bad about it. 3. So just because she's a feminist, she has to be 100% female all the time? No... that is not her responsibility, and I feel like we're digging too deep into this argument. 4. Taylor is a celebrity, and her job is to promote herself and her image, that's what every celebrity does. Everyone is a hypocrite to some degree, but I don't see why everyone is sitting here attacking Taylor for it. I just feel like everyone is being hypercritical of the whole situation. I would hope so. Her gender isn't like Pulse opinions changing by the minute! A couple of cheeseburgers and her hip to waist ratio will make it easier to see yes she is 100% female all the time. |
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Post by surfy on Jul 26, 2015 15:48:13 GMT -5
1. My take, there is a difference between the media pitting together two women when they actually have no beef. (Such as Taylor and Nicki) But, god forbid, Taylor writes a song about a disagreement with another girl, and she's criticized for it. (Like Taylor and whoever "Bad Blood"/"Better Than Revenge" is about) 2. I think that she should speak out more on body issues, but it isn't her fault that other people see her and her model friends and get insecure or feel bad about themselves. I get it, I have insecurities about my body, but I don't blame others about it and make them feel bad about it. 3. So just because she's a feminist, she has to be 100% female all the time? No... that is not her responsibility, and I feel like we're digging too deep into this argument. 4. Taylor is a celebrity, and her job is to promote herself and her image, that's what every celebrity does. Everyone is a hypocrite to some degree, but I don't see why everyone is sitting here attacking Taylor for it. I just feel like everyone is being hypercritical of the whole situation. I would hope so. Her gender isn't like Pulse opinions changing by the minute! A couple of cheeseburgers and her hip to waist ratio will make it easier to see yes she is 100% female all the time. Lol, I get that it's your humor, but just so no one is confused on that point, I meant that she doesn't have to have all females surrounding her 24/7. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 19:20:39 GMT -5
I would hope so. Her gender isn't like Pulse opinions changing by the minute! A couple of cheeseburgers and her hip to waist ratio will make it easier to see yes she is 100% female all the time. Lol, I get that it's your humor, but just so no one is confused on that point, I meant that she doesn't have to have all females surrounding her 24/7. No shade intended, but feminism is about equality for BOTH sexes, more than females supporting each other.  Taylor isn't exactly practing what she preaches with tunes like Bad Blood and Better Than Revenge, so it's hard for me to muster up any sympathy for her. I don't care if she puts it all on for PR, but she just looks a bit silly, pretending that "Who me?" act is still genuine. She's a smart businesswoman, but also an annoying and manipulative one. |
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Post by surfy on Jul 26, 2015 20:06:44 GMT -5
Lol, I get that it's your humor, but just so no one is confused on that point, I meant that she doesn't have to have all females surrounding her 24/7. No shade intended, but feminism is about equality for BOTH sexes, more than females supporting each other.  Yes... That was literally my point. |
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jul 26, 2015 20:11:15 GMT -5
Taylor is really problematic when it comes to this sort of thing. But I can understand her wanting women to be united and whatnot, but in the end, she's human and she won't be okay with some random hoochie woman coming along and stealing her man (who would be?). Perhaps that was her way of articulating what happened at that time, but she was much younger and she may not have realized the consequences, but she's growing up and will hopefully make better choices and decisions with regards to that.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 26, 2015 20:17:11 GMT -5
she's human and she won't be okay with some random hoochie woman coming along and stealing her man (who would be?). As opposed to a non-hoochie woman? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:18:17 GMT -5
No shade intended, but feminism is about equality for BOTH sexes, more than females supporting each other. Yes... That was literally my point. Point taken, but you saying Taylor doesn't have to surround herself with females 24/7 made it sound like you were saying that's what feminism is. My bad . |
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Post by surfy on Jul 26, 2015 22:19:04 GMT -5
Yes... That was literally my point. Point taken, but you saying Taylor doesn't have to surround herself with females 24/7 made it sound like you were saying that's what feminism is. My bad . Oh. Well that seemed to be what others were saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 13:04:41 GMT -5
3. So just because she's a feminist, she has to be 100% female all the time? No... that is not her responsibility, and I feel like we're digging too deep into this argument. I'm super late to the party but I actually think this touches on the real problem with Taylor's chosen brand. I believe women should generally support each other because we are all fighting the same battle for gender equality, but if you cross me, I'm going to say "fuck you" and I will NEVER be there to support you again. To paraphrase one of my faves, I would never wish bad things but I won't wish you well; I don't have time for people who clearly don't have time for me. That doesn't mean that I am giving up on gender equality as a whole - I can recognize your general rights as a human being while still thinking that you are a piece of lowlife shit, and if there is an important cause where we need to work together for a common goal I can bite my tongue long enough to get the job done. But then, and only then, will I pay you any attention or respect. I write in my spare time so yeah, you may end up in a 'song' or two calling you out on your crap. To me this is no different than Taylor calling out the chick who she thinks slept with her man, or playing dirty with Katy's reputation because she thinks Katy was trying to sabotage her tour. Except Taylor's 'songs' are actual songs that get played on the radio, so she gets to call you out to the whole world and not just to her notebook or small circle of friends. Where the conflict/supposed hypocrisy comes in is that the above is Taylor's mentality, but it's not her brand. Her brand is, 'Women should be here for each other,' end of sentence. So when she turns around and chucks someone under the bus, all the while quite shrewdly making a profit both from the dis and from the feminist 101 stance, she is called a hypocrite because she never publicly gave herself that out. Whether the accusation of hypocrisy is true depends on whether you think it's possible or acceptable for someone to have exceptions to the rule, and whether you think Taylor thought it should go without saying that the gloves are off if you mess with her or if she really wanted you to believe that she was all about pure unity. Some people are very hard-line about things; I never was, so nothing about Taylor has ever bothered me aside from her choosing a brand that was so simplistic that she ended up painting herself into a corner with it. It's not too late for her to let the paint dry and go over it with a slightly different shade of it, though. That Gawker article was a try-hard mess that actually ended up making me appreciate Taylor more when I'm pretty sure it was supposed to make me like her less. No shit, Taylor Swift isn't my friend. NONE of these celebs are. So why do I care that she's basically boxing herself up in a neat package that she can sell to the masses? You don't sell out stadiums by being 100% real; you pick and choose which strengths to show, and if you're smart about it you also pick a couple of convenient flaws to humanize yourself. We're talking about a woman who will not even leave the gym before showering, blow-drying her hair, and getting dressed impeccably because she knows there will be cameras outside. That may say a lot about how caught up in her own image she is, but it might also show that she every much enjoys her womanhood and being dolled up at every possible moment. And is that not her right as a woman? Telling a beautiful woman to 'tone it down' or ditch her clique of supermodels just so her Dunham-esque friend can feel better about herself is as hypocritical and damaging as whatever we're accusing Taylor of being hypocritical about at the moment. It's basically telling Taylor that she doesn't have the right to be or feel her best self when there are obviously other...ah, less fortunate women in her vicinity who don't look or feel so great. And that is something I've never agreed with either. No matter how shitty I ever felt about myself I never expected or wanted my friends around me to feel like shit along with me or to dress like a schlub just b/c I didn't know what to do with my hair. That is simply absurd. The goal should be to make every woman around you feel good, not to make them all feel 'better' by making sure you now feel worse. Is it not possible to embrace Taylor's beauty while at the same time encouraging Lena that she's just as beautiful** as anyone else? Lena just offers something different, and that difference should be embraced. For that matter, isn't the fact that Taylor is friends with Lena and invited her on stage possible proof that Taylor herself doesn't see Lena as less than just because of her looks? She could have easily made sure Lena wasn't on the stage at the same time as the others, or even left Lena off the stage entirely, but I'm sure in Taylor's mind it was 'let me invite all my famous friends on stage right now! And the soccer team! Go us!' I do realize that Lena is the 'exception' to Taylor's conventionally beautiful friends rule, but I'd argue that this isn't really indicative of a pity offering of friendship from Taylor. If anything Taylor has as much, if not more, to gain from being Lena's friend and knows it; Lena represents aspects of feminism that Taylor does not or cannot fill herself, and at the time they first became friends there was no one else in the industry who could fill that aspect other than Lena. (Also, I loathe Lena Dunham with a passion, but I'm putting that aside for the sake of playing devil's advocate.) "Better Than Revenge" is problematic because it crosses the line from a specific 'you slept with my man' accusation to a more general slutshaming 'you sleep with anyone, you mattress dancing whorebag,' which isn't cool. I agree with Ezekiel 23:20–21 that she was young at that time, and would hope that given her dating history since then she has matured from that general mindset (regardless of how many of her exes she has or hasn't mattress danced with, she's got to realize now it's not fun when people single you out just for the number of people you've dated). But on that note, the biggest problem I have with most Taylor critics is that they don't allow any room for error or growth - which I suppose Taylor set herself up for, since she has so carefully constructed her empire to eliminate as many perceived flaws as possible - but at the end of the day Taylor is no less human or complex than the rest of us, nor is she any more hypocritical or calculated than any other A-list pop star trying to sell as many records as possible. There is always a flip side to everything she does. What I just pointed out in the above paragraphs is extremely obvious...that is, if you are at all inclined to consider all flip sides of Taylor Swift. If you don't like her then I guess it's much easier to slam the coin down on the negative side and write a reaching for the Gods thinkpiece that is three times as long as this already long post, yet contains only 1/3 of the analysis. |
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Post by allow that on Aug 6, 2015 20:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 6, 2015 21:05:26 GMT -5
Oh man, that's some hardcore shut-in WASP Sorority President shit right there. But this especially: "It’s so much more important than some guy that it didn’t work out with." "when it’s so hard for women to be understood and portrayed the right way in the media...now more than ever we need to be good and kind to each other and not judge each other" When you date a lot, as she did for a long time, and refer to those men as "some guys", and then complain that the media makes you out to be a serial dater, there is really a missing piece, or several, in that self-examination process. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 3:12:13 GMT -5
I'm trying to keep in mind that this interview was actually done before recent events (maybe even before July) and just now making it to print, so it was a lack of self-awareness that at the time she would have continued to get away with letting wander about, unchecked. But wow, Taylor's kind of in her own echo chamber there. Although, that more ore less states that John is at the very bottom of the list of reasons why she doesn't like or trust Katy. In fact, I almost wonder if this sentence - "just because you have the same taste in men, we don’t hold that against each other” - is in fact directed toward Katy, on top of the other reasons Taylor doesn't like or trust her. Katy, meanwhile, never struck me as one to give a damn about sisterhood or feminism at all. They seem to have completely opposing approaches to the idea of friendship, both real and for show. It's no wonder they can't stand one another. I will offer a defense to this though (sorry for not directly quoting, I'm being lazy rn): Because really the issue is not that the media portrays her as a serial dater, but that the media portrays her as a serial dater as if that's a bad thing, when a guy is generally not going to catch that kind of flak for dating a lot. critics deride her music constantly as the glitter-penned scribblings of a hysterical teenage girl who still has tea parties and is asking Santa for a Shetland pony this Christmas, before reminding us that she's actually not a teenager anymore and should thus grow up instead of making up fairy tales about all these boys. I'd be annoyed with that too. With that said, she has (to my knowledge) never actually broken it down in that much depth, so I get why it seems like she's just in a huff that she's being portrayed as a serial dater. And who knows, maybe she is just upset on that very basic level, in which case someone needs to sit her down and have a talk. I think Taylor is smart and likely has a good grasp on what feminism actually is, in particular how it affects her career/what she has to do to get ahead compared to her male peers. In an alternate universe is probably the author of many a thinkpiece on it. But for some reason when it comes to boiling it down to a quick selling point - that point where there's not enough time for nuanced explanations and detailed thinkpieces, just career-advancing press releases and self-promoting interviews - she seems to get a bit lost in the plot of it. So now the nuances and details that she isn't filling in for us are showing up as discrepancies and hypocrisy. Maybe she'll figure it out and fix it, or maybe she won't. Maybe she won't really have to. I'm also halfway convinced she's lowkey running her own brothel where the only client is her, but that flight of fancy probably has nothing to do with anything except explain why she cares more about being closer to her girls than some guy . |
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Post by allow that on Aug 7, 2015 9:35:28 GMT -5
I'm just all looool @ the nickname "The Sisterhood" that she's given her group of friends, which makes it sound so exclusive like a members-only club. Required for membership? Being hotter than Taylor Being rich and drop dead gorgeous. Notice how before Tay was tight with supermodels she'd parade poor Lorde around like an accessory? Guess she's not glamorous enough to be a "sister." that more ore less states that John is at the very bottom of the list of reasons why she doesn't like or trust Katy. In fact, I almost wonder if this sentence - "just because you have the same taste in men, we don’t hold that against each other” - is in fact directed toward Katy, on top of the other reasons Taylor doesn't like or trust her. Well Taylor's certainly dated many of the same men as her sisterhood. She shared Joe Jonas with Gigi, Calvin with Ellie Goulding?, Harry Styles with Kendall Jenner (whom she apparently dislikes), but only Katy is a problem? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:31:43 GMT -5
Oh man, that's some hardcore shut-in WASP Sorority President s**t right there. But this especially: "It’s so much more important than some guy that it didn’t work out with." "when it’s so hard for women to be understood and portrayed the right way in the media... now more than ever we need to be good and kind to each other and not judge each other"When you date a lot, as she did for a long time, and refer to those men as "some guys", and then complain that the media makes you out to be a serial dater, there is really a missing piece, or several, in that self-examination process. lol @ her saying this as Bad Blood smashes.  She gets more unlikeable as time passes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:56:45 GMT -5
You can have beef with anther woman and still feel that you should be kind to women in general, can you not? Like I'm all for gay rights but if you're gay and piss me off, you can f**k right off. That was never the problem, lol.
There's some really weird logic in here that borders on "I don't like Taylor Swift and this is a great opportunity for me to go in even if it's not all there". Glass houses and whatnot.
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Post by allow that on Aug 7, 2015 11:07:04 GMT -5
You can have beef with anther woman and still feel that you should be kind to women in general, can you not? Like I'm all for gay rights but if you're gay and piss me off, you can f**k right off. That was never the problem, lol. That part is obviously fine, but it is weird for her to claim to have an issue with the way women are pitted against each other IN THE MEDIA and making that her personal soapbox, while riding a diss song to media saturation for personal profit (and enforcing the 'girls are catty' stereotype that she hates). Practice what you preach! (And yes, she's allowed to make and release a song about a woman that pisses her off, but she could have left it at that instead of identifying the song's subject just bc she knew it would generate more buzz). |
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