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Post by krud489 on Nov 19, 2015 16:59:36 GMT -5
My goodness I couldn't agree more with americanidolfan18. Couldn't have said it better myself. Sony is all about their male artists, but they don't know how lucky they are to have the most talented artist in the business on their label. SMH.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 19, 2015 19:01:09 GMT -5
I've tried to be positive about her missing on the BB #1 again and again. I mean LTG and SITW and TBC just ran into bad luck and SYA was never likely to make it to #1 to begin with, but this is just plain stupidity. Carrie was sailing up the charts and all of a sudden, like always, she was stalled on purpose so her male label mates can sail up the charts and get a #1. Carrie should have been #1 weeks ago. She had a clear path to #1 multiple times but yet she was slowed down in favor of men. It's BS. I mean, the song with the most first week adds in country radio history is missing out on a BB #1?! What's wrong with this picture? Sony is total crap and Carrie should be looking for a new label once her idol contact runs out. They are screwing her over and over. The biggest female in the format hasn't had a #1 on BB in 3 years, yet they were bound and determined to get Kelsea Ballerini to #1. I'm done. Which is why I stopped following the chart runs especially the "race" to no.1. I stopped caring whether a song gets to no.1 or not. It has become meaningless.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 19, 2015 20:59:42 GMT -5
I'm honestly at that point. Carrie has continuously improved in singing, emotion, personality, songwriting in the past 10 years, shown so much growth. It doesn't matter what she does, she won't get the respect she deserves.
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Post by matty005 on Nov 19, 2015 21:03:37 GMT -5
I'm honestly at that point. Carrie has continuously improved in singing, emotion, personality, songwriting in the past 10 years, shown so much growth. It doesn't matter what she does, she won't get the respect she deserves. She gets plenty of respect. Stop it.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 19, 2015 21:05:56 GMT -5
I'm honestly at that point. Carrie has continuously improved in singing, emotion, personality, songwriting in the past 10 years, shown so much growth. It doesn't matter what she does, she won't get the respect she deserves. She's probably the most decorated artist in the format today. Even taking into account her CMA and ACM losses (which is common knowledge to those that care enough to pay attention to them, and those people are aware that they're politicized losses) and her label consistently diminishing her chance to get back to #1 on Billboard Country Airplay, she's still probably the most respected artist in the community. Everyone seems to have a problem with someone in this genre -- Luke, FLAGA, Aldean & Co. are too cliche and bro-ey; Paisley, Chesney, & McGraw are always hit-and-miss; Lambert is overexposed; Musgraves comes off as rude; Ballerini, Hunt, and a slew of the newbies are too Pop and not Country at all; etc. You never hear anything about Underwood. Literally, never.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 21:51:37 GMT -5
Sorry for this really dumb question, especially for someone who has been on Pulse for so many years lol.... why do we have two charts in the first place? As in, what's the history behind keeping both Mediabase and Billboard charts? Billboard and Mediabase are two different trades/companies, so that's why we have 2 charts. They are competitors (which is why you'll never see them acknowledge each other, lol). Mediabase is owned by iHeartMedia (formerly known as Clear Channel), and they monitor airplay and publish charts for nearly every mainstream radio format. Mediabase ranks their charts by spins, although country has the exception of being ranked by points. Mediabase was started in 1985. Billboard is of course a magazine; the very first Billboard issue was published way back in 1894. Initially they weren't focused on the music industry, but beginning in the 1930's they started publishing music charts (based off jukebox airplay), and by the 1950's Billboard was almost entirely about the music business and nothing else. Mediabase mostly just tracks radio airplay; Billboard does the same thing, but they also track sales and streaming (through their partnership with Nielsen SoundScan, which provides Billboard with album sales numbers, single sales, streaming, etc). Besides the various airplay charts that Billboard publishes, they also have the Billboard 200 (album chart, ranked by sales and now streaming as well) and a handful of genre-specific album charts and genre-specific streaming charts. So yeah, that's the long explanation. Or if it's easier, you could think of one of them as Coke and the other as Pepsi, or McDonald's and Burger King, Ford and Chevy, etc.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 19, 2015 22:54:30 GMT -5
^ Thanks for that jhomes87! So which one is Coke, which one is Pepsi? Does a Mediabase no.1 count as much for other formats? Or do they mainly use Billboard only?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 22:59:02 GMT -5
^ Thanks for that jhomes87! So which one is Coke, which one is Pepsi? Well... In my mind, Billboard is Coke and Mediabase is Pepsi, because Billboard (like Coke) is FAR bigger internationally than Mediabase is. Here in the States, Mediabase is more or less Billboard's equal in terms of the radio airplay charts, but of course Billboard also publishes album and streaming charts, and Mediabase doesn't.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 19, 2015 23:07:22 GMT -5
^ Thanks for that jhomes87! So which one is Coke, which one is Pepsi? Well... In my mind, Billboard is Coke and Mediabase is Pepsi, because Billboard (like Coke) is FAR bigger internationally than Mediabase is. Here in the States, Mediabase is more or less Billboard's equal in terms of the radio airplay charts, but of course Billboard also publishes album and streaming charts, and Mediabase doesn't. Not to derail the thread...but I'm a Coke person, too. :)
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 19, 2015 23:27:26 GMT -5
^ Thanks for that jhomes87! So which one is Coke, which one is Pepsi? Well... In my mind, Billboard is Coke and Mediabase is Pepsi, because Billboard (like Coke) is FAR bigger internationally than Mediabase is. Here in the States, Mediabase is more or less Billboard's equal in terms of the radio airplay charts, but of course Billboard also publishes album and streaming charts, and Mediabase doesn't. This analogy doesn't work for me because I think Pepsi tastes better but I only follow Billboard lol
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 20, 2015 7:24:53 GMT -5
Interesting update today. Chris had almost no gain or loss in spins and AIs, but Carrie gained 76 spins and .602 AIs... Hmmm?...
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 20, 2015 10:28:11 GMT -5
I saw that too. She's only 100k behind in AI. What's the story on BB?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 14:27:38 GMT -5
You know what would hurt the chart manipulation a little bit is if MB and BB had the same cutoff. Carrie will be high enough Sunday night to get the MB #1 and then Sony knows they have all day Monday to call in and ask for no more plays that way Chris has the higher audience come Monday evening for the BB cutoff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 15:33:58 GMT -5
You know what would hurt the chart manipulation a little bit is if MB and BB had the same cutoff. Carrie will be high enough Sunday night to get the MB #1 and then Sony knows they have all day Monday to call in and ask for no more plays that way Chris has the higher audience come Monday evening for the BB cutoff. To clarify, Sunday is the last day of the Billboard week, and Saturday is the last day of the Mediabase week. The Mediabase #1 becomes official on Sunday once the results are in from the Sunday through Saturday tracking week. And the Billboard chart is revealed on Monday night, showing the results of the Monday through Sunday tracking week. A spin at 11:55pm this Sunday night would toward the current Billboard chart, but a spin at 12:05am Sunday night (or Monday morning, if you prefer) would count toward the next Billboard chart, the one that we'll see on Monday the 30th. So in the scenario you described (which is how I think it will go down), Sony will stop promoting "Smoke Break" Saturday night, and on Sunday Carrie will start to drop (which we'll see in the Monday morning update). So Sunday would be the day that Sony would 'ask' for fewer plays for Carrie and more for Chris, assuming that they want to keep Chris at #1 on Billboard (and again, that's what I think they're going for).
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 9:55:57 GMT -5
So strange update today. I guess mediabase readjusted their formula for calculating AI so Carrie is at 63 million and Chris is at like 62.5.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 21, 2015 10:01:22 GMT -5
So strange update today. I guess mediabase readjusted their formula for calculating AI so Carrie is at 63 million and Chris is at like 62.5. 4 stations were added to the Mediabase panel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 10:07:50 GMT -5
The difference in the audience gains from Carrie and Chris. Have me believing this could be close come Monday for BB.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 10:12:06 GMT -5
Well she was close to him yesterday, but with the 4 stations added and all that, she's at 63.5 and he's at 62.8. I don't have access to the real time tracker, but I'm assuming Chris is still leading. It's like what everyone has been saying that Sony will probably pull the plug on Smoke Break once the MB #1 is secure.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 21, 2015 10:14:03 GMT -5
Well she was close to him yesterday, but with the 4 stations added and all that, she's at 63.5 and he's at 62.8. I don't have access to the real time tracker, but I'm assuming Chris is still leading. It's like what everyone has been saying that Sony will probably pull the plug on Smoke Break once the MB #1 is secure. I know Mediabase is their preferred chart and all that... but it still seems like such an injustice to do this when they could easily get "Smoke Break" to #1 on both charts, without jeopardizing Chris' chances at a Mediabase #1 next week.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 10:17:15 GMT -5
Well she was close to him yesterday, but with the 4 stations added and all that, she's at 63.5 and he's at 62.8. I don't have access to the real time tracker, but I'm assuming Chris is still leading. It's like what everyone has been saying that Sony will probably pull the plug on Smoke Break once the MB #1 is secure. I know Mediabase is their preferred chart and all that... but it still seems like such an injustice to do this when they could easily get "Smoke Break" to #1 on both charts, without jeopardizing Chris' chances at a Mediabase #1 next week. I agree. Chris could survive a drop to #2 on BB this week, then surge back up. I hate to see her lead single track record be broken. It will be the first Carrie lead single to miss #1 on BB.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 10:40:01 GMT -5
I think the problem with Carrie Underwood songs is that they zoom way too fast into the Top 10. Then the label sees that she doesn't have many weeks on her song. So they halt it. I hope Sony realizes they need to try and have Carrie Underwood have a more natural climb up the charts and then she'll easily get the #1 on both Billboard and Mediabase.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 10:43:35 GMT -5
The real problem is that Sony never lets her songs naturally rise. Smoke Break jumping into the top 10 was all natural, no manipulation, but once she hits top 10, they always purposely stall her to let her male labelmates climb up, leaving her struggling as more competition enters the top 10. I solely blame the label on this one. If they would've let her rise normally, she would hit #1 with ease. Anything this woman releases, radio eats it up like candy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 10:46:07 GMT -5
The real problem is that Sony never lets her songs naturally rise. Smoke Break jumping into the top 10 was all natural, no manipulation, but once she hits top 10, they always purposely stall her to let her male labelmates climb up, leaving her struggling as more competition enters the top 10. I solely blame the label on this one. If they would've let her rise normally, she would hit #1 with ease. Anything this woman releases, radio eats it up like candy. I like how you note their males. I'm willing to say though if Cam Burning House was in lets say Old Dominions shoes Sony would have done the exact same thing.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 10:50:03 GMT -5
If it would've been Carrie vs a male on the Warner label, Sony would've done everything in their power to blast her to #1, but when it's Carrie vs another male Sony artist, she gets the shaft typically, usually settling for MB-only #1's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 10:58:28 GMT -5
Ok I'm going to regret saying this but I think I'm Coming Over was the bigger hit of the two. That and I think that since Chris's BB drought is bigger than Carrie, why not have Chris go out big with a 3-week BB #1. Besides Carrie Underwood will for sure hit the top with Heartbeat.since its way radio friendly.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 21, 2015 11:53:17 GMT -5
Ok I'm going to regret saying this but I think I'm Coming Over was the bigger hit of the two. That and I think that since Chris's BB drought is bigger than Carrie, why not have Chris go out big with a 3-week BB #1. Besides Carrie Underwood will for sure hit the top with Heartbeat.since its way radio friendly. It was a little bigger hit, but not on the level that required a 3-week #1 at the expense of a song that was also a big hit. "Smoke Break" performed well enough to absolutely earn at least a week at #1. She's not missing out here because of some undeniable monumental smash; it's purely because of poorly-managed label manipulation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 12:21:18 GMT -5
Ok I'm going to regret saying this but I think I'm Coming Over was the bigger hit of the two. That and I think that since Chris's BB drought is bigger than Carrie, why not have Chris go out big with a 3-week BB #1. Besides Carrie Underwood will for sure hit the top with Heartbeat.since its way radio friendly. It was a little bigger hit, but not on the level that required a 3-week #1 at the expense of a song that was also a big hit. "Smoke Break" performed well enough to absolutely earn at least a week at #1. She's not missing out here because of some undeniable monumental smash; it's purely because of poorly-managed label manipulation. Ok so let's say Carrie Underwood makes it to #1 somehow on both BB and MB. Call me crazy but I think Warner Bros. Would seize the opportunity and try and push Dan + Shay or Blake Shelton to the top and complicate it either more. I can see them seeing Chris Young at #2 on BB and having one of their 2 acts catapulting to the top and snagging it away from Chris. Now I do believe Carrie Underwood would have had an easier chance had Cole Swindell not taken the top spot on MB.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 21, 2015 14:07:22 GMT -5
After the panel change, "Smoke Break" has gained 10.5 million in audience since last Sunday, while "I'm Comin' Over" has gained 7.2 million in audience. Carrie's song benefited from 800k more in audience gains on MB vs. Chris' overnight, from the four new stations.
Carrie is guaranteed the MB #1, so that's not in question. "Smoke Break" will officially be the #1 song on MB come tomorrow evening. This is pretty interesting though in terms of Billboard, because the audience gains since this past Sunday/Monday have Carrie and Chris very close in Billboard audience. I agree that the likely scenario is for Sony to be satisfied with the MB #1 for "Smoke Break" and let go of promotion starting tomorrow, which would pave the way for another week at the top of Billboard for Chris. But I'm not 100% positive that's what Sony will do just because how close it is. It's hard to gauge how much more growth "I'm Comin' Over" can muster with the new panel change but I'm sure they want his song to stay at the top for one more week after this, so perhaps they would be okay with the very rare interrupted stay at #1 and Chris would take both charts next weekend...but then I go back to the way labels think and like it or not, they view MB as a legitimate chart and pay more closely attention to it than Billboard (even though they will not hesitate in calling a single #1 if it only reaches #1 on Billboard -- which just solidifies the fact that they don't care which chart, just as long as it hits #1 on one of them).
With Carrie set to perform "Heartbeat" on the AMA's on November 22nd and the fact that there's been widely regarded talk of a December add date for "Heartbeat", I think that they do want "Smoke Break's" chart run to end as quickly as possible to pave the way for the new single. They could push Carrie's song for one more day but if they're satisfied with the MB #1, then that's the way it is.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 15:14:41 GMT -5
Honestly, if they are that close, they should put nudge it to #1 on BB then kill the song and focus on getting Chris to the MB #1. I hate to see her come so close and to miss out.
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Post by krud489 on Nov 21, 2015 15:44:36 GMT -5
I know a interrupted BB #1 is extremely rare. May I ask the last one?
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