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Post by HellaGood on Dec 10, 2015 11:56:50 GMT -5
Good update today! It's also slowly climbing on AC and Spotify!
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 11, 2015 3:12:57 GMT -5
Top 20 on pop!
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 11, 2015 6:18:09 GMT -5
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 11, 2015 13:12:49 GMT -5
On the latest callout list this has the second lowest positive and favorite, and the fifth highest negative (all but one of the songs with a higher negative are now falling too). Don't see this becoming a CHR hit and chances are it'll be killed off in the freeze with scores like that, but they should still send another single in January or February.
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Post by foxxden on Dec 11, 2015 13:22:37 GMT -5
On the latest callout list this has the second lowest positive and favorite, and the fifth highest negative (all but one of the songs with a higher negative are now falling too). Don't see this becoming a CHR hit and chances are it'll be killed off in the freeze with scores like that, but they should still send another single in January or February. I really don't get how its call out is not that good considering all other signs have been positive and I have yet to meet someone who really dislikes it. I know Radio puts a lot of emphasis on callout but something seems off here and it would be a shame for them to just pull the plug solely based on it, This is still getting big updates sporadically so I can see it going either way it's just frustrating how difficult it is to breakthrough at Radio these days considering how consolidated playlists have become on a select few core artists.
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Post by Dylan :) on Dec 11, 2015 13:48:30 GMT -5
To be honest, this is currently doing a lot better than I expected at first. Hope it can go a bit higher on the Hot 100, maybe top 40
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Post by The Upper Hand on Dec 11, 2015 19:42:43 GMT -5
On the latest callout list this has the second lowest positive and favorite, and the fifth highest negative (all but one of the songs with a higher negative are now falling too). Don't see this becoming a CHR hit and chances are it'll be killed off in the freeze with scores like that, but they should still send another single in January or February. I really don't get how its call out is not that good considering all other signs have been positive and I have yet to meet someone who really dislikes it. I know Radio puts a lot of emphasis on callout but something seems off here and it would be a shame for them to just pull the plug solely based on it, This is still getting big updates sporadically so I can see it going either way it's just frustrating how difficult it is to breakthrough at Radio these days considering how consolidated playlists have become on a select few core artists. You better just accept.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 12, 2015 6:21:47 GMT -5
POP: 22 20 GWEN STEFANI Used To Love You 4468 3969 499 18.579
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Post by skizzo on Dec 12, 2015 6:43:36 GMT -5
Considering that even when this song's airplay was minimal and a small performance would send it soaring, I choose to believe the reaction has been great. It only needs to reach a bigger AI
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 13, 2015 6:31:57 GMT -5
POP: 20 20 GWEN STEFANI Used To Love You 4567 3989 578 19.132
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Post by hellagood on Dec 13, 2015 6:50:55 GMT -5
POP:20 20 GWEN STEFANI Used To Love You 4567 3989 578 19.132 +99 Spins +79 Bullet +0.553 Audience HOT AC:13 13 GWEN STEFANI Used To Love You 2465 2189 276 11.856 +59 Spins +40 Bullet +0.215 Audience Still going!
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Post by Rumors on Dec 13, 2015 12:31:09 GMT -5
After hearing the song a few more times, I really like it. Easily Gwen's best song I think since her hey days with No Doubt. Good job.
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Post by foxxden on Dec 13, 2015 22:25:43 GMT -5
I really don't get how its call out is not that good considering all other signs have been positive and I have yet to meet someone who really dislikes it. I know Radio puts a lot of emphasis on callout but something seems off here and it would be a shame for them to just pull the plug solely based on it, This is still getting big updates sporadically so I can see it going either way it's just frustrating how difficult it is to breakthrough at Radio these days considering how consolidated playlists have become on a select few core artists. You better just accept. the cattiness on this board is unreal it's obvious there is a certain clique that doesn't like me yet continues to respond to my posts...guess nothing better to do. anyways, glad to see its bullet went up vs. last week. not sure how much will change between now and the end of the year but hope it can survive the freeze and pick back up in the near year!
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Post by matty005 on Dec 13, 2015 22:37:45 GMT -5
the cattiness on this board is unreal it's obvious there is a certain clique that doesn't like me yet continues to respond to my posts...guess nothing better to do.anyways, glad to see its bullet went up vs. last week. not sure how much will change between now and the end of the year but hope it can survive the freeze and pick back up in the near year! Maybe it's because you are posting on this thread pretty much every other post. My god. I love Gwen and I ADORE this song, but maybe you have to look at what the common denominator is that's causing the issues.
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Post by foxxden on Dec 13, 2015 22:45:09 GMT -5
the cattiness on this board is unreal it's obvious there is a certain clique that doesn't like me yet continues to respond to my posts...guess nothing better to do.anyways, glad to see its bullet went up vs. last week. not sure how much will change between now and the end of the year but hope it can survive the freeze and pick back up in the near year! Maybe it's because you are posting on this thread pretty much every other post. My god. I love Gwen and I ADORE this song, but maybe you have to look at what the common denominator is that's causing the issues. what does how often i post in this thread have to do with anything plenty of people are posting frequently in their favorite artist thread. besides its happened outside the gwen thread as well. the common denominator is you people responding to my posts (that have nothing to do with any of you) with snarky comments, getting your clique to "like" it, and then you all get defensive when i call you out on it. look back at the other occasions and that is EXACTLY what happened each time. for the hundredth time: please stop responding to my posts since you obviously don't like me.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 13, 2015 23:02:31 GMT -5
Maybe it's because you are posting on this thread pretty much every other post. My god. I love Gwen and I ADORE this song, but maybe you have to look at what the common denominator is that's causing the issues. what does how often i post in this thread have to do with anything plenty of people are posting frequently in their favorite artist thread. besides its happened outside the gwen thread as well. the common denominator is you people responding to my posts (that have nothing to do with any of you) with snarky comments, getting your clique to "like" it, and then you all get defensive when i call you out on it. look back at the other occasions and that is EXACTLY what happened each time. for the hundredth time: please stop responding to my posts since you obviously don't like me. 1. You honestly think I have a clique? 2. People having a different opinion than you is not being defensive. But my god is that kettle black. 3. Not sure if you understand how conversations work, but just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they shouldn't respond. That logic makes no sense.
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Post by foxxden on Dec 13, 2015 23:19:54 GMT -5
what does how often i post in this thread have to do with anything plenty of people are posting frequently in their favorite artist thread. besides its happened outside the gwen thread as well. the common denominator is you people responding to my posts (that have nothing to do with any of you) with snarky comments, getting your clique to "like" it, and then you all get defensive when i call you out on it. look back at the other occasions and that is EXACTLY what happened each time. for the hundredth time: please stop responding to my posts since you obviously don't like me. 1. You honestly think I have a clique? 2. People having a different opinion than you is not being defensive. But my god is that kettle black. 3. Not sure if you understand how conversations work, but just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they shouldn't respond. That logic makes no sense. Telling me "you just better accept" when I said I found the call out scores surprising or pointing out that i posted more than once that "Used To Love You" would be higher on iTunes without The Voice songs is not having a conversation nor is it having a different opinion than me - it's being strategically snarky and meant to provoke a reaction from me. These are just the most recent examples, and like I said there were other instances outside this Gwen thread. I'm honestly not sure where you play into this, so I apologize if you have been caught in the crossfire but if you look at the people who are "liking" these snarky comments directed at me too, it's painfully obvious that something is going on and it's childish.
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Post by kanimal on Dec 13, 2015 23:40:19 GMT -5
A few things:
-- We've recently covered some very questionable data issues with the callout scores (Maroon 5's "Feelings" going from a negative score to 30+ net positive in a matter of weeks would be virtually impossible if the survey sample were legitimate). The dataset is very obviously not statistically sound. That said, programmers listen to it, so we have to accept it.
-- While it still ranks near the bottom of the list, its actual callout scores are better at Hot AC than they are at pop. That may explain some of the disparity between this perception that the general public likes the song -- and the weak pop scores.
-- Programmers can certain choose to overlook callout scores. There have been plenty of songs that tested well (Sam Hunt's "Take Your Time," for instance) that never went anywhere. And there have been others that posted mediocre or even weak callout scores (Fifth Harmony's Worth It, Drake's Hotline Bling, for instance) that ended up becoming very successful. Radio is still supporting Halsey's "New Americana" even though it has steadily ranked near the bottom of the callout report.
Other factors (sales, streams, buzz, label lobbying, etc) can definitely compensate for callouts.
-- One of the issues with the callout scores is the low favorite rating. That suggests this isn't a polarizing song with a lot of rabid fans and a lot of haters. It simply isn't getting much interest from the surveyed pop panel.
-- I wouldn't necessarily rave about this song's sales performance. The way it performs - huge spikes after the TV performances before falling back into unremarkable territory - suggests people are buying the "performance" rather than the "song." Given how much airplay this song has, it should be able to "stick" better than it has once it gets the exposure. Songs like "Hide Away" and "Roses" have comparable pop positions, less airplay from their other key formats, and far less promo, and they're holding better ground on the sales chart. They also come from artists with far smaller fanbases.
The way it performs on sales charts sort of reminds me of Ella Henderson's "Ghost." Every time Ella performed it on TV, it soared on iTunes. Then it came back to Earth - even though the radio play should've kept it propped up. And note that (from what I remember) "Ghost" had considerably better callout scores, but pop ultimately had to pull the plug at a certain point.
Also note that single sales are suddenly in the toilet, so it's far easier to rise following a performance. I was about to rave about The Weeknd's "In The Night" to prove a point, and then I realized Kworb is only expecting it to sell 40K this week.
-- This seems like the wrong year to talk about core artists getting all the love. So many new artists have broken through at radio. And while superstars Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber have had big years at radio, note that they're performing more impressively than they previously have. So they're breakouts, in a sense, as well.
On the other side of the coin, we're only 1-2 years removed away from supposedly guaranteed hitmakers Lady Gaga and Katy Perry facing resistance. Ariana Grande seemed automatic, and then a poor response sank her most recent song. Pop didn't show any interest in the two most recent Rihanna releases.
-- That all said, let's not assume this one's dead. It's clearly gotten a better response than her previous two comeback singles, and the freeze may give it a chance to build momentum.
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Post by foxxden on Dec 14, 2015 0:14:54 GMT -5
^You make some good points, thank you for bringing the discussion back to the music. I hope you are right about callout and it either improves or Radio chooses to go further despite it.
Sales have been good so far. I do think you have to like the song enough to buy the studio version despite being a live performance that drove you to make the decision. Besides, the song generally seems to increase on iTunes during the week (as most ballads do) even without TV promo.
Those two examples you gave both have a higher audience even though they are only a few spots ahead of Gwen in terms of spins on Pop. Plus, Gwen is a 40+ year old female artist who first entered the Pop chart in the 90s when some of Pop Radio's audience was just being born so scoring a hit at this point in her career is no easy feat. No other artist on the chart can claim the same and the last female artist of her age to get further with a solo release was Madonna with "Hung Up" in 2005 so it's a rare accomplishment.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 14, 2015 8:19:13 GMT -5
POP: 20 21 GWEN STEFANI Used To Love You 4679 4107 572 20.010
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Post by divasummer on Dec 14, 2015 11:26:50 GMT -5
the cattiness on this board is unreal it's obvious there is a certain clique that doesn't like me yet continues to respond to my posts...guess nothing better to do. anyways, glad to see its bullet went up vs. last week. not sure how much will change between now and the end of the year but hope it can survive the freeze and pick back up in the near year! I've noticed if some posters are to passionate about a certain singer or song they can get a side eye and a little shade thrown at them at times. Don't let it bother you. lol. I like your posts and sometimes you bring some decent info into the thread. Thanks. BTW I'm not specifically saying this is happening that bad right now but I have seen it in the past.
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Post by allow that on Dec 14, 2015 11:41:50 GMT -5
the cattiness on this board is unreal it's obvious there is a certain clique that doesn't like me yet continues to respond to my posts...guess nothing better to do. anyways, glad to see its bullet went up vs. last week. not sure how much will change between now and the end of the year but hope it can survive the freeze and pick back up in the near year! I've noticed if some posters are to passionate about a certain singer or song they can get a side eye and a little shade thrown at them at times. Don't let it bother you. lol. There's nothing wrong with being passionate about your favorite singer. There's just a problem when a poster is pathologically snapping at anyone or everyone who offers some slight criticism of a song or artist, regardless of how politely expressed.
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Post by lyhom on Dec 14, 2015 12:02:09 GMT -5
1. You honestly think I have a clique? 2. People having a different opinion than you is not being defensive. But my god is that kettle black. 3. Not sure if you understand how conversations work, but just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they shouldn't respond. That logic makes no sense. Telling me "you just better accept" when I said I found the call out scores surprising or pointing out that i posted more than once that "Used To Love You" would be higher on iTunes without The Voice songs is not having a conversation nor is it having a different opinion than me - it's being strategically snarky and meant to provoke a reaction from me. These are just the most recent examples, and like I said there were other instances outside this Gwen thread. I'm honestly not sure where you play into this, so I apologize if you have been caught in the crossfire but if you look at the people who are "liking" these snarky comments directed at me too, it's painfully obvious that something is going on and it's childish. 1. I get your point about being needlessly snarky and off topic, but it's kind of hard to sympathize with you when you spend the last few posts of yours whining about people getting a reaction out of you when most of the time half the fights you get into could have been stopped by you simply ignoring the post. 2. it's probably less that there's a clique conspiring against you by liking posts and more that some of the same people are sick of some of your negative qualities. not gonna post anymore about this since it's already way too off topic, but here's some stuff to think about
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Post by foxxden on Dec 14, 2015 13:08:00 GMT -5
I've noticed if some posters are to passionate about a certain singer or song they can get a side eye and a little shade thrown at them at times. Don't let it bother you. lol. There's nothing wrong with being passionate about your favorite singer. There's just a problem when a poster is pathologically snapping at anyone or everyone who offers some slight criticism of a song or artist, regardless of how politely expressed. except it's people responding to my posts (and far from being polite about it) and not the other way around, so once again you have no idea what you are talking about. Telling me "you just better accept" when I said I found the call out scores surprising or pointing out that i posted more than once that "Used To Love You" would be higher on iTunes without The Voice songs is not having a conversation nor is it having a different opinion than me - it's being strategically snarky and meant to provoke a reaction from me. These are just the most recent examples, and like I said there were other instances outside this Gwen thread. I'm honestly not sure where you play into this, so I apologize if you have been caught in the crossfire but if you look at the people who are "liking" these snarky comments directed at me too, it's painfully obvious that something is going on and it's childish. 1. I get your point about being needlessly snarky and off topic, but it's kind of hard to sympathize with you when you spend the last few posts of yours whining about people getting a reaction out of you when most of the time half the fights you get into could have been stopped by you simply ignoring the post. 2. it's probably less that there's a clique conspiring against you by liking posts and more that some of the same people are sick of some of your negative qualities. not gonna post anymore about this since it's already way too off topic, but here's some stuff to think about where are you people coming from so people are allowed to make snarky comments to me and then it's my fault for it spiraling out of control if i call them out on it. that makes no sense at all. sick of me negative qualities? you don't know anything about me - that comment was out of line. i'll keep this going as long as y'all want to keep causing drama, so the ball is in your court.
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Post by Kurt on Dec 14, 2015 13:21:21 GMT -5
No, let's not keep this going. If you have a problem with a post, please continue to report it and we will handle it privately if needed - otherwise, keep the thread discussion on-topic. (That goes for all of you, not just foxxden.) Thanks!
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 15, 2015 6:47:56 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 16, 2015 6:51:22 GMT -5
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Post by HellaGood on Dec 16, 2015 6:53:55 GMT -5
This is so stable on iTunes! It's currently #151 on Spotify Daily Chart.
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Post by KGBCA on Dec 16, 2015 7:38:00 GMT -5
Hellooo there! First post here. :)
I'm really glad to see this song doing well. I've been a NxD fan since the beginning of time it feels like! Additionally, I was in attendance when she performed this song in NYC and fell in love with it instantly. The only thing I can hope for is that this song continues to be as stable on radio as it has been (even without Z100 and KIIS support) until after the blackout - hopefully by then these two stations would start contributing more than 1 spin a day.
Hope to chat with you guys soon!
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