|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2015 12:23:34 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=298207NEW RELEASES: 5 SECONDS OF ONE-DAY SALES Based on very, very early reads, Capitol's 5 Seconds of Summer leads 19/Arista Nashville's Carrie Underwood for #1 next week on both the HITS Album Sales and SPS charts. 5 Seconds of Summer (Capitol) 175-185k album, 190-200kCarrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 150-160k, 160-170kWe'll have updated numbers on Monday, along with projections on new releases from Rod Stewart (Capitol), Andrea Bocelli (Verve) and Blake Shelton (Warner Bros. Nashville).
|
|
swim
New Member
Joined: November 2010
Posts: 408
|
Post by swim on Oct 24, 2015 12:37:19 GMT -5
Neither of those numbers are bad, but I sort of thought both would break 200k. Overall album sales decline aside, is Carrie still as popular as she used to be with country music? I don't follow too closely, so I'm genuielly asking.
All I know about 5 Seconds is I heard they're influenced by punk pop/rock bands but really fans of that genre are not fans of this band. They're very teen oriented, which is fine. They're just a way watered down version of whatever they're trying to be.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2015 12:41:38 GMT -5
^Carrie new singe isn't as strong as the first single off her last album.
HITS originally estimated 300k for 5SOS. Ha!
|
|
¤ Matthea ¤
Gold Member
Joined: September 2009
Posts: 803
|
Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Oct 24, 2015 12:55:55 GMT -5
Didn't HITS initially predict 300K for 5SOS and 350K for 1D? I always thought the prediction for 5SOS was way off, considering they can't score a real hit single to save their lives.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2015 12:58:49 GMT -5
^^Actually, HITS originally estimated 300k on Sept. 15: hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=297670With the lack of a hit single, 190-200k is more like it for 5SOS. That number was 5 weeks ago and things have gone downhill since then. I thought it would be a horse race between the boys and Carrie Underwood. BTW, HITS just doesn't pull figures out of their asses. It's based on pre-orders and industry estimates.
|
|
Kurt
Administrator
#1: Jacob Collier f/John Legend & Tori Kelly – "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
Joined: April 2010
Posts: 22,619
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
Staff
|
Post by Kurt on Oct 24, 2015 14:31:34 GMT -5
I wonder how much of that 175-185k was pre-orders - I would've thought they'd cleared nearly that much in pre-orders alone and gotten over 200k first-week. Oops. That's about what I assumed for Carrie.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2015 16:00:33 GMT -5
What is an "industry estimate", if not a guess? Numbers tossed out in these threads (also guesses) were much closer. I am not sure we should be giving HITS "guesses" as much credibility as we have been doing C'mon. You know exactly what I am talking about. You just like to get a rise out of people. You do it in a lot of threads here. I've been playing this game with you here for 10 years. I'm over it.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2015 16:08:27 GMT -5
I wonder how much of that 175-185k was pre-orders - I would've thought they'd cleared nearly that much in pre-orders alone and gotten over 200k first-week. Oops. That's about what I assumed for Carrie. Carrie's been in the business 10 years now. Is it the "law of diminishing returns" or is that "Smoke Break" isn't thrilling her fans? I guess we also have to remember these are very early reads. Hopefully better numbers will be out on Monday.
|
|
14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,256
|
Post by 14887fan on Oct 24, 2015 16:13:07 GMT -5
Definitely, definitely thought 5SOS was going to beat Underwood by a lot -- at least 100k. Pleasantly surprised that the gap isn't anywhere near what I was expecting. She's been ahead of them on iTunes since they both released, which confuses me considering how many preorders I thought they had. Promo for 5SOS - Ellen yesterday, Today Show 10/28. I'm not aware of anything else. Underwood - Fallon 10/22, Today Show yesterday, "Carrie CMT Takeover Weekend" today and 10/25 on CMT, Ellen 10/27, Jimmy Kimmel 10/27 Both were announced this week as AMA performers. Neither of those numbers are bad, but I sort of thought both would break 200k. Overall album sales decline aside, is Carrie still as popular as she used to be with country music? I don't follow too closely, so I'm genuielly asking. She's definitely as popular as she always has been. She's got an underperforming lead single that didn't really help the album's launch, which hasn't ever happened for any era of hers before. Thrilled that she can still pull these numbers (based on the 1-day predictions) after over 10 years, 4 albums, and a GH set in the business.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2015 16:20:07 GMT -5
^^HITS talks to people in the industry. The label, the artists' management, retailers for pre-orders..
You make it sound like they go "Well.... maybe 350k? Let's ask the night cleaner and see if he agrees and we'll go with it!"
When that original article was posted with a 300k estimate, most said "No way!"
When I posted that post about 5SOS and Carrie Underwood selling 300k+, I was trying generate some discussion. No one really commented because Pulse is more obsessed with the Hot 100.
I think the 350k number they gave for Bieber is spot on. We'll see in next month.
|
|
jenglisbe
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 34,591
|
Post by jenglisbe on Oct 24, 2015 16:34:55 GMT -5
Carrie's opening numbers have fallen with each album since Carnival Ride, surely in part due to general sales declines. Her opening is still better than the 2015 openings of Kelly Clarkson, Selena Gomez, Janet Jackson, and Demi Lovato, so she's still outselling most solo female artists. She has always had good longevity, too. Her last album debuted with 267k and sold 1.7 million copies. The album before that opened with a bit over 300k but went on to sell 2.3 million. So, her openings tend to be less than 20% of her overall sales. That's pretty sick for a big name.
|
|
anafan
4x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2004
Posts: 4,450
|
Post by anafan on Oct 24, 2015 16:44:57 GMT -5
Not bad numbers for them both
|
|
Glove Slap
Administrator
Sweetheart
Downloading ༺༒༻ Possibilities
Joined: January 2007
Posts: 29,486
Staff
|
Post by Glove Slap on Oct 24, 2015 19:00:08 GMT -5
Weaker than I thought for both but 5SOS is the bigger surprise.
|
|
|
Post by josh on Oct 24, 2015 20:37:19 GMT -5
Definitely, definitely thought 5SOS was going to beat Underwood by a lot -- at least 100k. Pleasantly surprised that the gap isn't anywhere near what I was expecting. She's been ahead of them on iTunes since they both released, which confuses me considering how many preorders I thought they had.Promo for 5SOS - Ellen yesterday, Today Show 10/28. I'm not aware of anything else. Underwood - Fallon 10/22, Today Show yesterday, "Carrie CMT Takeover Weekend" today and 10/25 on CMT, Ellen 10/27, Jimmy Kimmel 10/27 Both were announced this week as AMA performers. Neither of those numbers are bad, but I sort of thought both would break 200k. Overall album sales decline aside, is Carrie still as popular as she used to be with country music? I don't follow too closely, so I'm genuielly asking. She's definitely as popular as she always has been. She's got an underperforming lead single that didn't really help the album's launch, which hasn't ever happened for any era of hers before. Thrilled that she can still pull these numbers (based on the 1-day predictions) after over 10 years, 4 albums, and a GH set in the business. I think iTunes changed it so that pre-order sales don't make the album fly up once it's released. They only affect the chart when the album is actually pre-ordered. The way it was before it was getting boosted twice for one sale which doesn't make sense, so they changed it. Or so I think. It seems like that's how it is based on some albums that have come out recently that didn't have huge pre-orders and aren't the type to fly to #1 on release.
|
|
kanimal
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,043
|
Post by kanimal on Oct 24, 2015 20:39:38 GMT -5
Definitely, definitely thought 5SOS was going to beat Underwood by a lot -- at least 100k. Pleasantly surprised that the gap isn't anywhere near what I was expecting. She's been ahead of them on iTunes since they both released, which confuses me considering how many preorders I thought they had. Promo for 5SOS - Ellen yesterday, Today Show 10/28. I'm not aware of anything else. Underwood - Fallon 10/22, Today Show yesterday, "Carrie CMT Takeover Weekend" today and 10/25 on CMT, Ellen 10/27, Jimmy Kimmel 10/27 Both were announced this week as AMA performers. But that's actually a reason why she's been ahead of them. Following a change last year (which I believe is still in effect), pre-order purchases exclusively impact the chart at the time of purchase rather than at the time of redemption. That's why we haven't been seeing too many albums jump to #1 immediately upon release. [Dammit - just got beaten to the punch]
|
|
H.
5x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 5,447
|
Post by H. on Oct 24, 2015 20:51:37 GMT -5
I think both albums will have staying power, especially this close to the holidays.
|
|
carrieidol1
Diamond Member
Joined: August 2007
Posts: 12,578
|
Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 24, 2015 21:49:06 GMT -5
I think both albums can will have staying power, especially this close to the holidays. Carrie's sales trademark, if you will, is longevity. Her latest album, "Blown Away", opened with 267k --- and has now sold 1.7 million. I have no doubts this will be another platinum seller for her. I honestly think the lackluster opening number has a lot to do with an underperforming lead single. Carrie's lead singles usually end up selling 2 million, easily. "'Smoke Break", after 2 months just passed 200k; which isn't dramatically off from her other lead singles, but still... It has yet to peak at radio, though, and didn't have many TV performance slots upon release. Until this week I think it had only been performed on TV once (Fallon)... Carrie has promotion stacked through the end of the year, so I have no doubts this album will sell platinum, in the very least. Definitely, definitely thought 5SOS was going to beat Underwood by a lot -- at least 100k. Pleasantly surprised that the gap isn't anywhere near what I was expecting. She's been ahead of them on iTunes since they both released, which confuses me considering how many preorders I thought they had. Promo for 5SOS - Ellen yesterday, Today Show 10/28. I'm not aware of anything else. Underwood - Fallon 10/22, Today Show yesterday, "Carrie CMT Takeover Weekend" today and 10/25 on CMT, Ellen 10/27, Jimmy Kimmel 10/27 Both were announced this week as AMA performers. But that's actually a reason why she's been ahead of them. Following a change last year (which I believe is still in effect), pre-order purchases exclusively impact the chart at the time of purchase rather than at the time of redemption. That's why we haven't been seeing too many albums jump to #1 immediately upon release. [Dammit - just got beaten to the punch] Maybe I'm completely overlooking the point here, but I take this to mean that Carrie is selling more than 5SOS now (on iTunes) because both are charting based only on on-the-spot purchases, right?
|
|
bornfearless2000
4x Platinum Member
SOMETHING IN THE WATER
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 4,021
|
Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 24, 2015 23:03:16 GMT -5
Below Miranda? Surprising given that Carrie still has as much radio support as ever. Miranda's last album was released a year ago. Plus, she got more hype because of Something Bad , which was a duet with Carrie and the single became the only platinum single from the album and the highest charting single for Lambert.
|
|
jjose712
4x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2012
Posts: 4,372
|
Post by jjose712 on Oct 25, 2015 8:13:44 GMT -5
I think both albums will have staying power, especially this close to the holidays. Carrie's albums always are longsellers. 5SOS sold a lot in their first week with their first album, but i don't remember staying on the charts that much. The truth is their sales are incredibly good for a group that seems unable to score a hit single
|
|
DJ General
5x Platinum Member
Dupe
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 5,932
|
Post by DJ General on Oct 25, 2015 13:33:45 GMT -5
Carrie, as many have said, will be very reliable through out the rest of the year. Reviews have been positive, and she will have several hits from the disc.
5SOS will also be fairly stable. They should have no problem clearing 1 million when all is said and done.
|
|
onebuffalo
Diamond Member
#LiteralLegender
I am One Buffalo.
Joined: June 2009
Posts: 26,650
|
Post by onebuffalo on Oct 25, 2015 13:44:02 GMT -5
We've seen this twice on the country albums chart, but Alan Jackson's Angels And Alcohol and George Strait's Cold Beer Conversation albums debuted at #2 and went to #1 the following week. Carrie Underwood is destined to start at #2 on the top 200 chart. If she manages a #1 the following week, when was the last time an album debuted at #2 on the top 200 and moved into the penthouse in week #2? Thanks.
|
|
carrieidol1
Diamond Member
Joined: August 2007
Posts: 12,578
|
Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 25, 2015 14:01:53 GMT -5
We've seen this twice on the country albums chart, but Alan Jackson's Angels And Alcohol and George Strait's Cold Beer Conversation albums debuted at #2 and went to #1 the following week. Carrie Underwood is destined to start at #2 on the top 200 chart. If she manages a #1 the following week, when was the last time an album debuted at #2 on the top 200 and moved into the penthouse in week #2? Thanks. The kicker to this is that she has the CMAs next week. She has a real shot at it!
|
|
|
Post by Carriefan1190 on Oct 25, 2015 15:14:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't freak out about Carrie's numbers. We all know that sales are declining all across the board. Unless your name is Taylor Swift, Beyonce or Drake even, its a struggle to get 300k nowadays. 150-160k is not what I expected, but then again her last album debuted with 267k. Once she releases a 2nd single, and her promotion and christmas come around, I'm sure she will scan at least Gold by the end of the year.
|
|
onebuffalo
Diamond Member
#LiteralLegender
I am One Buffalo.
Joined: June 2009
Posts: 26,650
|
Post by onebuffalo on Oct 25, 2015 15:22:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't freak out about Carrie's numbers. We all know that sales are declining all across the board. Unless your name is Taylor Swift, Beyonce or Drake even, its a struggle to get 300k nowadays. 150-160k is not what I expected, but then again her last album debuted with 267k. Once she releases a 2nd single, and her promotion and christmas come around, I'm sure she will scan at least Gold by the end of the year. Which is nice, but a higher number should get Storyteller to double platinum. Blown Away is still sitting at 1.7 million sold.
|
|
|
Post by Carriefan1190 on Oct 25, 2015 15:24:14 GMT -5
If I were Carrie, I would consider 1 million scanned a success. Album sales are at an all-time low. I'm not expected almost 8 million like SH sold, but yeah I'll be happy with a million. Side note: BA really should be close to 2xp by now.
|
|
14887fan
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2013
Posts: 11,256
|
Post by 14887fan on Oct 25, 2015 19:02:50 GMT -5
Lol, Storyteller ain't gettin' to 2x Platinum anytime soon, even if it were to have a larger debut week sales tally. Let's worry about it getting to Gold first (which'll probably happen before the end of this year). If I were Carrie, I would consider 1 million scanned a success. Album sales are at an all-time low. I'm not expected almost 8 million like SH sold, but yeah I'll be happy with a million. Side note: BA really should be close to 2xp by now. It'll probably be certified sometime soon, maybe in time for the holidays. Her team consistently submits to certify a bunch of things at once for her, so I'd expect a 2xP cert for Blown Away, a Platinum cert for her GH set (it's currently at 400k sold, which would equate to 800k in certifications since it's a double-disc), and a Gold cert for "Smoke Break" (currently at/near 250k sold prior to this week, and it's been rather high on iTunes since Storyteller's release) once they account for streaming for everything.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 26, 2015 19:48:02 GMT -5
Carrie, as many have said, will be very reliable through out the rest of the year. Reviews have been positive, and she will have several hits from the disc. 5SOS will also be fairly stable. They should have no problem clearing 1 million when all is said and done. 1 million? I don't think so.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 26, 2015 21:07:11 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=298207Monday, October 26, 2015 NEW RELEASES: 5 SECONDS OF SALES (UPDATE)Mondays, huh? Well, suck down that coffee and pay attention, because we've got updated numbers. And those numbers say Capitol's 5 Seconds of Summer leads 19/Arista Nashville's Carrie Underwood for #1 on both the HITS Album Sales and SPS charts this week. 5 Seconds of Summer (Capitol) 180-190k album, 190-200k SPS Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 150-160k, 160-170k Blake Shelton (Warner Bros. Nashville) 27-30k, 28-32k Andrea Bocelli (Verve) 16-18k, 16-18k Rod Stewart (Capitol) 13-15k, 13-15k
|
|
DJ General
5x Platinum Member
Dupe
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 5,932
|
Post by DJ General on Oct 26, 2015 22:35:43 GMT -5
Carrie, as many have said, will be very reliable through out the rest of the year. Reviews have been positive, and she will have several hits from the disc. 5SOS will also be fairly stable. They should have no problem clearing 1 million when all is said and done. 1 million? I don't think so. They are selling 200k in week 1. It will be a big seller through out the rest of the holidays for the kids
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 27, 2015 8:01:00 GMT -5
^They are selling 175-185k. They don't have a hit single. Of course I hope they can, but we'll keep watching the weekly totals...
|
|