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Post by SHOOTER on Jan 12, 2016 20:27:34 GMT -5
I'm interested to find out how the album was projected to sell before the tragic news of his passing was announced. The Next Day debuted at #2 with 85k. I personally was expecting a similar, maybe slightly softer debut for this prior to his passing.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 12, 2016 20:34:40 GMT -5
I honestly think Hello and 25 are both mere afterheat of 21 and they wouldn't have been sensationa at all standing on their own.. Adele may be an icon for love songs, but she didn't transform or define any generation. I think her and her music will gather dust after years You're thinking wrong then. No one has a song that spends ten weeks @#1 and an album that comes close in sales with its predecessor by mere "afterheat." "Rolling in the Deep," "Someone Like You," "Set Fire to the Rain" and "Hello" will be AC/HOT AC recurrent staples for years to come. Not to mention, all of the catalog sales her albums have received and will continue to receive. You're thinking about Frank Ocean when you say "gather dust after years." Right. Look at the drop in sales acts like Alanis Morissette, Hootie & The Blowfish, and Jewel had after massive albums. At worst 25 is going to end up selling fairly close to what 21 sold, which is something very rare for a true blockbuster album. I mean, despite Bad having a slew of hits, it didn't come anywhere close to the sales of Thriller.
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Post by Nick on Jan 12, 2016 20:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by Unhinged on Jan 12, 2016 21:15:35 GMT -5
^Said that mostly cause I was secretly happy to see Adele maybe slip to No. 3. But heck, I like the Biebs. :)
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Post by Arabella21 on Jan 12, 2016 21:38:44 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised to see him pull an "upset" over Adele at the Grammys next year as well. Me, neither: the reviews were very strong before the news hit, and sentiment would only add to the votes. Bowie was only ever nominated for AotY once, the same year as Thriller, so has never won. Honestly, can't you already picture how the Grammy Moment will play out in about a year, capped by a grand finale tribute performance at the end of the telecast. Sure, they'll do something this year, but it's Grammy, they happily go to the same well of tributes to "classic" acts again and again. Even before, I didn't think 25 was a slam-dunk for AotY. It's been a long time since Grammy has given AotY wins to an artist's back-to-back albums and it's not a category that's always about rewarding great sales. Surprised yet not that this will be Bowie's first #1 album here in the US. It really goes to show that lasting musical influence is not just about chart positions.
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Post by forg on Jan 13, 2016 1:54:42 GMT -5
So 25 will drop to #2 and there are doom and gloom posts about Adele already? And that is after selling 7M... I wonder what the posts will be when 25 sells under 100K
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Post by aser94 on Jan 13, 2016 2:58:44 GMT -5
You can't expect an album that sold 7 million during the lead-up to Christmas to still be selling the same in January when much of the demand has already been filled. If the album had been released in the summer and sold considerably less week-by-week but steadily enough to have a long run at #1 (and well enough to get to 7M in a few months) no one would be making these dire analyses about Adele's commercial status.
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 13, 2016 8:19:03 GMT -5
25 is the second biggest seller of the decade so yea huge flop right there.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 13, 2016 9:46:30 GMT -5
I think the SPS predictions for Bowie will be much higher.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 13, 2016 9:50:51 GMT -5
Adele is already #61 on the best selling SS albums list. With this week's sales, she moves up to #56.
Thanks to oldblokes for these sales estimates!
Best Selling Albums in the SoundScan Era 1991-2015
Rank - Estimated Sales (m) - TITLE - Artist - (Year Released) RIAA
01 - 16.22 - METALLICA - Metallica - (1991) β²16 02 - 15.62 - COME ON OVER - Shania Twain - (1997) β²20 03 - 15.03 - JAGGED LITTLE PILL - Alanis Morissette - (1995) β²16 04 - 12.66 - 1 - Beatles - (2000) β²11 05 - 12.27 - MILLENNIUM - Backstreet Boys - (1999) β²13 06 - 12.18 - THE BODYGUARD - Soundtrack - (1992) β²17 07 - 11.92 - LEGEND - Bob Marley & the Wailers - (1984) β²15 08 - 11.90 - SUPERNATURAL - Santana - (1999) β²15 09 - 11.71 - HUMAN CLAY - Creed - (1999) β²11 10 - 11.45 - 21 - Adele - (2011) β²11 11 - 11.17 - NO STRINGS ATTACHED - 'NSync - (2000) β²11 12 - 11.09 - COME AWAY WITH ME - Norah Jones - (2002) β²10 13 - 10.87 - THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP - Eminem - (2000) β²10 14 - 10.87 - FALLING INTO YOU - Celine Dion - (1996) β²11 15 - 10.64 - BABY ONE MORE TIME - Britney Spears - (1999) β²14 16 - 10.62 - THE EMINEM SHOW - Eminem - (2002) β²10 17 - 10.38 - HYBRID THEORY - Linkin Park - (2000) β²10 18 - 10.33 - CRACKED REAR VIEW - Hootie & the Blowfish - (1994) β²16 19 - 10.25 - CONFESSIONS - Usher - (2004) β²10 20 - 10.20 - TITANIC - Soundtrack - (1997) β²11 21 - 10.20 - TEN - Pearl Jam - (1991) β²13 22 - 10.15 - BACKSTREET BOYS - Backstreet Boys - (1997) β²14 23 - 9.95 - DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - Pink Floyd - (1973) β²15 24 - 9.65 - LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVE - Celine Dion - (1997) β²10 25 - 9.57 - ROPIN' THE WIND - Garth Brooks - (1991) β²14 26 - 9.52 - DEVIL WITHOUT A CAUSE - Kid Rock - (1998) β²11 27 - 9.51 - GREATEST HITS - Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band - (1994) β²9 28 - 9.35 - NEVERMIND - Nirvana - (1991) β²10 29 - 9.23 - OOPS I DID IT AGAIN - Britney Spears - (2000) β²10 30 - 9.01 - NO FENCES - Garth Brooks - (1990) β²17 31 - 8.91 - WIDE OPEN SPACES - Dixie Chicks - (1998) β²12 32 - 8.88 - HELL FREEZES OVER - Eagles - (1994) β²9 33 - 8.86 - 'NSYNC - 'NSync - (1998) β²10 34 - 8.85 - GREATEST HITS - Journey - (1988) β²15 35 - 8.61 - II - Boyz II Men - (1994) β²12 36 - 8.58 - COUNTRY GRAMMAR - Nelly - (2000) β²9 37 - 8.45 - FLY - Dixie Chicks - (1999) β²10 38 - 8.37 - GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN' - 50 Cent - (2003) β²6 39 - 8.36 - GREATEST HITS - Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers - (1993) β²12 40 - 8.30 - CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Christina Aguilera - (1999) β²8 41 - 8.29 - TRAGIC KINGDOM - No Doubt - (1996) β²10 42 - 8.27 - YOURSELF OR SOMEONE LIKE YOU - Matchbox Twenty - (1997) β²12 43 - 8.25 - DOOKIE - Green Day - (1994) β²10 44 - 8.08 - BREATHLESS - Kenny G - (1992) β²12 45 - 8.04 - ALL THE WAYβ¦A DECADE OF SONG - Celine Dion - (1999) β²7 46 - 7.98 - O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU - Soundtrack - (2000) β²8 47 - 7.91 - ALL THE RIGHT REASONS - Nickelback - (2005) β²8 48 - 7.90 - THE LION KING - Soundtrack - (1994) β²10 49 - 7.89 - FALLEN - Evanescence - (2003) β²7 50 - 7.88 - 2001 - Dr Dre - (1999) β²6 51 - 7.82 - THE HITS - Garth Brooks - (1994) β²10 52 - 7.79 - THE WOMAN IN ME - Shania Twain - (1995) β²12 53 - 7.70 - CRAZYSEXYCOOL - TLC - (1994) β²11 54 - 7.67 - UNPLUGGED - Eric Clapton - (1992) β²10 55 - 7.67 - DAYDREAM - Mariah Carey - (1995) β²10 56 - 7.59 - SIGNIFICANT OTHER - Limp Bizkit - (1999) β²7 57 - 7.51 - SOME GAVE ALL - Billy Ray Cyrus - (1992) β²9 58 - 7.48 - PIECES OF YOU - Jewel - (1996) β²12 59 - 7.46 - SPICE - Spice Girls - (1997) β²7 60 - 7.44 - SOME HEARTS - Carrie Underwood - (2005) β²7 61 - 7.44 - 25 - Adele - (2015) β²8
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Post by Gary on Jan 13, 2016 10:30:57 GMT -5
A couple things about the chart run of '21'
The 24 weeks at #1 were not consecutive so it DID indeed spend time outside of #1.
The near-record 84 weeks in the top 10 for a single artist album - most of that was consecutive
This would mean that sales were slower for most of the run but steady, spiking at certain times to return to #1
At worst, '25' is tracking to do the same thing or at least pretty close.
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Post by carreramd on Jan 13, 2016 11:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 13, 2016 11:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 13, 2016 12:03:36 GMT -5
FLOP! She's over! Don't even release a 2nd single! Certified 8 times platinum in 8 weeks...FLOP! Don't even go on your record sold out Worldwide tour because she's OVER! Selling over a million plus in 3 different weeks...FLOP! Hurricane ADELE... more like Tropical Depression ADELE!
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Post by Caviar on Jan 13, 2016 12:17:08 GMT -5
FLOP! She's over! Don't even release a 2nd single! Certified 8 times platinum in 8 weeks...FLOP! Don't even go on your record sold out Worldwide tour because she's OVER! Selling over a million plus in 3 different weeks...FLOP! Hurricane ADELE... more like Tropical Depression ADELE! She's going to lose all her Grammys! She's falling out of the top 2 on the album chart! WWWY is flopping even tho it's rising on its own! She has a LONGGG way to go before diamond even though she's 80% there
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Post by when the pawn... on Jan 13, 2016 12:23:57 GMT -5
I honestly think Hello and 25 are both mere afterheat of 21 and they wouldn't have been sensationa at all standing on their own.. Adele may be an icon for love songs, but she didn't transform or define any generation. I think her and her music will gather dust after years You're thinking wrong then. No one has a song that spends ten weeks @#1 and an album that comes close in sales with its predecessor by mere "afterheat." "Rolling in the Deep," "Someone Like You," "Set Fire to the Rain" and "Hello" will be AC/HOT AC recurrent staples for years to come. Not to mention, all of the catalog sales her albums have received and will continue to receive. You're thinking about Frank Ocean when you say "gather dust after years." That album was never a commercial runaway success - not sure why Frank Ocean would be a reference point to Adele in terms of sales...ever. And Channel Orange will be a key player on many/most Best-of-2010s albums list. I know it's completely off-topic but had to say it.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 13, 2016 12:27:03 GMT -5
FLOP! She's over! Don't even release a 2nd single! Certified 8 times platinum in 8 weeks...FLOP! Don't even go on your record sold out Worldwide tour because she's OVER! Selling over a million plus in 3 different weeks...FLOP! Hurricane ADELE... more like Tropical Depression ADELE! She's going to lose all her Grammys! She's falling out of the top 2 on the album chart! WWWY is flopping even tho it's rising on its own! She has a LONGGG way to go before diamond even though she's 80% there I'm so disgusted in how this album is performing.
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Post by magik on Jan 13, 2016 12:29:30 GMT -5
You're thinking wrong then. No one has a song that spends ten weeks @#1 and an album that comes close in sales with its predecessor by mere "afterheat." "Rolling in the Deep," "Someone Like You," "Set Fire to the Rain" and "Hello" will be AC/HOT AC recurrent staples for years to come. Not to mention, all of the catalog sales her albums have received and will continue to receive. You're thinking about Frank Ocean when you say "gather dust after years." That album was never a commercial runaway success - not sure why Frank Ocean would be a reference point to Adele in terms of sales...ever. And Channel Orange will be a key player on many/most Best-of-2010s albums list. I know it's completely off-topic but had to say it. It's not a reference points for sales. It's a reference point that it will be long forgotten years from now.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jan 13, 2016 12:57:00 GMT -5
That album was never a commercial runaway success - not sure why Frank Ocean would be a reference point to Adele in terms of sales...ever. And Channel Orange will be a key player on many/most Best-of-2010s albums list. I know it's completely off-topic but had to say it. It's not a reference points for sales. It's a reference point that it will be long forgotten years from now. If it's not a reference point to 25 (like previous examples of Alanis/Hootie/Norah were), it is 100% irrelevant, no?
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 13, 2016 13:04:21 GMT -5
Great sales for 25! A bit higher than I thought they would be.
Adele will be on Jame Corden tonight with a Carpool Karaoke. Hope that'll go viral.
"When We Were Young" rising nicely in airplay. Once its put up for streaming and a video released I can see it pushing album sales up again. Fingers crossed she'll be performing at the Grammys too - could see a performnce pushing the album over 200k once again.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 13, 2016 13:18:08 GMT -5
That album was never a commercial runaway success - not sure why Frank Ocean would be a reference point to Adele in terms of sales...ever. And Channel Orange will be a key player on many/most Best-of-2010s albums list. I know it's completely off-topic but had to say it. It's not a reference points for sales. It's a reference point that it will be long forgotten years from now. It's a reference point for how you try to diminish what someone else is saying that you disagree with by using something you know they like as an example to prove a point, even when it doesn't even apply nor is it even likely to be accurate. Move on because you've already failed at this discussion.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 13, 2016 15:43:03 GMT -5
Even before, I didn't think 25 was a slam-dunk for AotY. It's been a long time since Grammy has given AotY wins to an artist's back-to-back albums and it's not a category that's always about rewarding great sales. This is true, but I think it helps that it has been years since 21 won. It's not like they'd have to reward her in back-to-back years. I don't think 25 is a slam dunk either, but at this point Bowie is her only competition. It's not only about sales, but 25 is a phenomenon. Plus the Grammys haven't been big on veterans as of late (notice Don Henley and James Taylor didn't get in Album this year despite many thinking one of them would). But Bowie's album has been well-received, and now his death adds even more levity to the release. So, at this time it's between those two albums, but a lot can happen in the next year.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 13, 2016 15:51:55 GMT -5
I need some more sales updates!
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Post by Gary on Jan 13, 2016 16:01:05 GMT -5
Quite a ways away from the 2017 grammys
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Post by Libra on Jan 13, 2016 16:10:22 GMT -5
FLOP! She's over! Don't even release a 2nd single! Certified 8 times platinum in 8 weeks...FLOP! Don't even go on your record sold out Worldwide tour because she's OVER! Selling over a million plus in 3 different weeks...FLOP! Hurricane ADELE... more like Tropical Depression ADELE! She's going to lose all her Grammys! She's falling out of the top 2 on the album chart! WWWY is flopping even tho it's rising on its own! She has a LONGGG way to go before diamond even though she's 80% there RE: Adele Vs. Bowie at the 2017 Grammys...posing the question now, while we're still in the immediate aftermath of his death, feels like it's asking to frame the question in a skewed perspective.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jan 13, 2016 16:15:14 GMT -5
Even before, I didn't think 25 was a slam-dunk for AotY. It's been a long time since Grammy has given AotY wins to an artist's back-to-back albums and it's not a category that's always about rewarding great sales. This is true, but I think it helps that it has been years since 21 won. It's not like they'd have to reward her in back-to-back years. I don't think 25 is a slam dunk either, but at this point Bowie is her only competition. It's not only about sales, but 25 is a phenomenon. Plus the Grammys haven't been big on veterans as of late (notice Don Henley and James Taylor didn't get in Album this year despite many thinking one of them would). But Bowie's album has been well-received, and now his death adds even more levity to the release. So, at this time it's between those two albums, but a lot can happen in the next year. I think you mean gravity. But i agree with those saying its way too early to know who could potentially be nominees. We still have what, 9 months before the submission cut off? A lot can come out between now and then.
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Post by renfield75 on Jan 13, 2016 16:34:52 GMT -5
I think the SPS predictions for Bowie will be much higher. I hope so, that HITS prediction puts "Ziggy Stardust" at #11 with SPS. It's obviously going to make the top 40 for the first time, which is cool, but I really hope Bowie can snag 3 (new!) top ten albums on the BB200.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 13, 2016 17:04:30 GMT -5
She's going to lose all her Grammys! She's falling out of the top 2 on the album chart! WWWY is flopping even tho it's rising on its own! She has a LONGGG way to go before diamond even though she's 80% there RE: Adele Vs. Bowie at the 2017 Grammys...posing the question now, while we're still in the immediate aftermath of his death, feels like it's asking to frame the question in a skewed perspective. Exactly, just like it is when saying Adele is a lock to win just because we're still in the middle of her current domination. A lot could happen between now and September when eligibility ends or December when the nominations are revealed. Adele-fatigue is very well a possibility, not to mention the possible albums that will come out before then that could challenge any award. I actually don't think Bowie will make it in that big award. He could get a Rock Album nomination for sure, and maybe Rock Song, and should get a Best Video nom, but that would probably be it.
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Post by mluv on Jan 13, 2016 17:39:56 GMT -5
It's way too early for Grammy 2017 but I think David Bowie will have a shot at Album of the Year. It's not everyday that someone plan a successful artistic, farewell, tribute album.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 13, 2016 17:44:33 GMT -5
Bowie has only ever won 1 Grammy - for Music Video in the mid-80s - so that may help his narrative, too. It's not like he's someone who has won a ton to where they may not feel a need to recognize him more.
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