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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 1, 2016 13:52:15 GMT -5
We don't know if this will happen or not. Nielsen Music will decide. I'm just posting the relevant last paragraph. www.thefourohfive.com/music/article/rihanna-s-anti-isn-t-certified-platinum-by-billboard-or-nielsen-145"Billboard and Nielsen are counting ANTI's sales on TIDAL towards their totals, [but] they aren’t counting the Samsung/Rihanna download code gift to fans. The 400k+ sales of ANTI via TIDAL will be counted by Billboard," another TIDAL rep said.and from Spin magazine... In regards to Kim’s comment that Billboard and Nielsen are not counting ANTI’s sales on TIDAL toward their totals, TIDAL has clarified with the following statement: “Billboard and Nielsen are counting ANTI’s sales on TIDAL towards their totals, [but] they aren’t counting the Samsung/Rihanna download code gift to fans. The 400k+ sales of ANTI via TIDAL will be counted by Billboard.”
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Post by Wave. on Feb 1, 2016 13:53:36 GMT -5
Bish, I'll live. That's great for Rih. I'm already planning on purchasing the Physical.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 1, 2016 13:54:46 GMT -5
If 400k sales are US Tidal sales alone, I'm very curious to know the WW number. This is all very confusing.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 1, 2016 13:55:09 GMT -5
Aren't these 400k TIDAL claims WW sales?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 1, 2016 13:56:47 GMT -5
^Billboard doesn't count worldwide sales. The 400k must be USA sales only.
Like I said in the first sentence, we don't know if this will be the final total, 400k+.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 1, 2016 13:56:56 GMT -5
Aren't these 400k TIDAL claims WW sales? That's the thing; nobody knows for sure. All the reports on it seem kinda vague and ambiguous so nobody is really sure whether 400k represents a WW number or a US one. I guess we'llhave to wait and see..
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Post by kanimal on Feb 1, 2016 14:01:10 GMT -5
If I'm following correctly, the 400K story concerns the fact that they're including Wednesday/Thursday sales toward next week, which is ruffling some feathers.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 1, 2016 14:02:38 GMT -5
Aren't these 400k TIDAL claims WW sales? That's the thing; nobody knows for sure. All the reports on it seem kinda vague and ambiguous so nobody is really sure whether 400k represents a WW number or a US one. I guess we'llhave to wait and see.. Not only that but the TIDAL giveaway was tracked on last week's chart. Why this one? It happened before Thursday at midnight.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 1, 2016 14:07:24 GMT -5
So a big confusing mess...
#ThanksRihanna
Billboard already put out the Top 10 of the 2/13 Billboard 200. Will they have to change it?
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 1, 2016 14:36:23 GMT -5
I don't believe that until I see final numbers.
1) Billboard would've informed us already a day or two ago if it was going to reach 400k 'cause that's HUGE these days 2) ANTI doesn't have Spotify streams or physical sales 3) Her previous album opened with 238k 4) In the UK it's #4 on midweeks behind Sia, Bowie and Charlie Puth. It has so far been her biggest market (sales compared to inhabitants)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 14:47:39 GMT -5
its always interesting when things like this come up in music fan/chart forums like this... it's such a small bubble and many of us take it so seriously. it really shows the stan/fan component, doesn't it?
I compare Billboard in these situations to referees in pro sports... they have to make a snap call sometimes that isn't going to please everyone. it's going to piss some people off in a big bad way and seem really unfair. sometimes they make agreeably bad calls, even. However, if you don't have money on the game (like me) it's not upsetting and doesn't get me all fired up. If this whole thing is a competition between which artist sold more or the most, etc... i totally get the frustration (although there are SOOOO many variables that make it never totally fair anyway) but i also feel like it's a good time to reality check ourselves. And i mean that with respect to everyone as chart fans. is it our inner stan/hater that's upset, or are inner chart fan that's upset?
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Post by Wave. on Feb 1, 2016 15:04:11 GMT -5
^Well shut me the fuq up.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 1, 2016 15:08:33 GMT -5
That's the thing; nobody knows for sure. All the reports on it seem kinda vague and ambiguous so nobody is really sure whether 400k represents a WW number or a US one. I guess we'llhave to wait and see.. Not only that but the TIDAL giveaway was tracked on last week's chart. Why this one? It happened before Thursday at midnight. There's at least some precedent for this. A recent Ellie Goulding single (I'm 99.9% sure it was "On My Mind") came out early Thursday (like...in the afternoon, not at 11:30PM), and sales from its opening day were included in the subsequent tracking week.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 1, 2016 15:14:21 GMT -5
its always interesting when things like this come up in music fan/chart forums like this... it's such a small bubble and many of us take it so seriously. it really shows the stan/fan component, doesn't it? I compare Billboard in these situations to referees in pro sports... they have to make a snap call sometimes that isn't going to please everyone. it's going to piss some people off in a big bad way and seem really unfair. sometimes they make agreeably bad calls, even. However, if you don't have money on the game (like me) it's not upsetting and doesn't get me all fired up. If this whole thing is a competition between which artist sold more or the most, etc... i totally get the frustration (although there are SOOOO many variables that make it never totally fair anyway) but i also feel like it's a good time to reality check ourselves. And i mean that with respect to everyone as chart fans. is it our inner stan/hater that's upset, or are inner chart fan that's upset? Snap calls to accomodate one artist's situation are not fair. Charts are mathematics, either you pull off the numbers or you don't. And it's dependant on dates, otherwise why have a tracking period? If those sales happened before the start of the new period, then they don't count. There's not much to discuss here, it is what it is. And please guys don't assume I'm saying this because it's Rihanna. It could've been anyone and I'm not lying, even my favorite artists. I'd still think it's bullsh*t.
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Post by nighttime on Feb 1, 2016 15:14:35 GMT -5
Partial week sales have been withheld many, many times in the past.
Not saying this is likely valid though.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 1, 2016 15:16:57 GMT -5
Not only that but the TIDAL giveaway was tracked on last week's chart. Why this one? It happened before Thursday at midnight. There's at least some precedent for this. A recent Ellie Goulding single (I'm 99.9% sure it was "On My Mind") came out early Thursday (like...in the afternoon, not at 11:30PM), and sales from its opening day were included in the subsequent tracking week. It's never happened for albums, that's why there's always been Street date violations since SoundScan appeared. And this is not even half an hour early, we're talking about a day and a half because the album was up on Tidal on Wednesday, and they claim the free copies were done after 15 hours or so.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 1, 2016 15:19:37 GMT -5
Aren't these 400k TIDAL claims WW sales? Yeah this is my main qualm with this whole thing and what I want an explanation on. That Platinum certification too was iffy, but there at least you could technically say that all International downloads of that were imports from a US retailer (in this case the American division of Samsung), as thin as that might have been. But if UK/French/German/etc. credit card is being used to purchase from their respective retailers, there's no reason for them to count towards the Billboard charts. Counting another day of sales isn't brand new, it's just uncommon. I think Interscope did that with 50 Cent a few years ago where a whole extra day was counted. I kinda have a hard time seeing her with those numbers just in the US.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 1, 2016 15:25:55 GMT -5
I understand a "leak" that happens at like 11:38pm the day before release; that's a negligible amount of time and maybe not even the artist's fault. 2 days of sales, though, is another matter altogether.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 1, 2016 15:27:15 GMT -5
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Post by NeRD on Feb 1, 2016 15:34:46 GMT -5
This is all so confusing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 15:38:56 GMT -5
It's just like the rest of this album campaign, messy as hell.
It also comes across as Tidal either not being able to parse out its sales by country or just being sloppy and not having their system set up to be able to sort that out. They probably were looking at it short-sighted, only concentrating on the Samsung deal, and did not factor in the int'l visitors who would come to their site.
I remember that 50 Cent that Glove Slap mentioned - Before I Self-Destruct leaked a month early so Interscope released it on iTunes a week before the physical, but asked Billboard and Soundscan to delay charting the album until the physical was out. So it seems that this sort of thing can happen, it's just rare and if it does it is almost surely per the label's request.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 15:41:45 GMT -5
...annnnnd it's sounding like maybe Billboard hasn't made a snap call here after all, possibly, and is reviewing it folks.... like instant replay type ish. consulting with other refs... still no official call. the crowd stomps their feet in anticipation... equal cheers and boos coming from all sides..... THE DRAMA.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 1, 2016 15:46:51 GMT -5
Anti debuts at #27 on the 2/13 Billboard 200.
This thread is for the 2/5 HITS chart which is the 2/20 Billboard 200.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 15:51:35 GMT -5
so there you have it folks... no bad, bad billboard.
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Post by Duca on Feb 1, 2016 16:05:20 GMT -5
'ANTI'S ARRIVAL: Despite being available for only a fraction of the chart tracking week, Anti starts at No. 27 on the Billboard 200 albums chart dated Feb. 13, bowing after only a little more than a day's worth of activity in the marketplace, as the latest chart's tracking week ended on Jan. 28. (The chart, and all of Billboard's charts dated Feb. 13, will be posted to Billboard.com on Feb. 2.) Anti was released through Tidal's streaming service on the evening of Jan. 27. (It was not released commercially until Jan. 28 through Tidal, and then through all digital retailers on Jan. 29. A physical CD release for the album is scheduled for Feb. 5.)Anti's bow on the chart is largely driven by track sales and streaming activity of its lead single "Work" (it was released at 8 a.m. ET on Jan. 27) along with streams of the album’s tracks. In the week ending Jan. 28 in the U.S., "Work" sold 126,000 downloads and Anti album generated 4.7 million streams for its songs, according to Nielsen Music. A small number of sales for the Anti album were registered in the week ending Jan. 28, but not enough for the set to chart on any of Billboard's pure album sales charts.Anti's streaming debut on Tidal was concurrent with its availability -- in a limited quantity -- as a free download, supported by Samsung. Anti generated 1.47 million downloads globally in less than 15 hours. Those gratis downloads do not count toward the charts or Nielsen Music's sales figures.Industry forecasters expect Anti to make a big leap up the Billboard 200 chart next week -- possibly to No. 1 -- after the album has a full week of activity behind it. Prognosticators suggest Anti could shift around 125,000 in equivalent album units in the week ending Feb. 4, which could power the album to No. 1 on the chart dated Feb. 20. If Anti hits the top, it will mark Rihanna's second No. 1, following her previous studio album, 2012's Unapologetic.Yikes.
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Post by Wave. on Feb 1, 2016 16:11:18 GMT -5
I'll enjoy a jump to number one just as much as a debut.
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Post by skizzo on Feb 1, 2016 16:45:28 GMT -5
Am I the only one unimpressed with these numbers?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 16:48:08 GMT -5
^without a physical release and a million given away?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 1, 2016 16:48:22 GMT -5
^They suck, but this Rihanna era is a #HotTrannyMess.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 1, 2016 16:54:35 GMT -5
Am I the only one unimpressed with these numbers? I'm actually impressed with all things considered. Not sure what numbers sold would "meet" expectations.
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