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Post by dm2081 on Apr 18, 2016 17:04:16 GMT -5
This one is selling good though, it's consistently near the top 200 songs on iTunes with minimal AirPlay. I still think it's ready to blow up. Too bad On The Verge didn't choose this one. I'm one of the few who actually likes "Rock On", but "Used To Love You Sober" seems like a safer choice to boost the program's reputation.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 18, 2016 17:17:20 GMT -5
This one is selling good though, it's consistently near the top 200 songs on iTunes with minimal AirPlay. I still think it's ready to blow up. Too bad On The Verge didn't choose this one. I'm one of the few who actually likes "Rock On", but "Used To Love You Sober" seems like a safer choice to boost the program's reputation. I seem to remember it selling A LOT months ago though.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 18, 2016 17:30:35 GMT -5
This one is selling good though, it's consistently near the top 200 songs on iTunes with minimal AirPlay. I still think it's ready to blow up. Too bad On The Verge didn't choose this one. I'm one of the few who actually likes "Rock On", but "Used To Love You Sober" seems like a safer choice to boost the program's reputation. I seem to remember it selling A LOT months ago though. Yeah the week the song was released to iTunes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 17:35:03 GMT -5
This one is selling good though, it's consistently near the top 200 songs on iTunes with minimal AirPlay. I still think it's ready to blow up. Too bad On The Verge didn't choose this one. I'm one of the few who actually likes "Rock On", but "Used To Love You Sober" seems like a safer choice to boost the program's reputation. I seem to remember it selling A LOT months ago though. Either the majority of his fanbase already has it or the fake sales stopped (or both). It's still selling okay, but you're right. It seems that as the airplay has increased, the sales have decreased. Which is "odd" to say the least.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 18, 2016 17:43:47 GMT -5
I seem to remember it selling A LOT months ago though. Yeah the week the song was released to iTunes. I seem to remember it being near the top longer than that, but I could be wrong.
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Post by trebor on Apr 18, 2016 17:45:42 GMT -5
It's currently selling about 8K weekly and now stands at <260K downloads (That's more than the current #1 (Rascal Flatts) has racked up)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 18:29:02 GMT -5
The week the EP was released to iTunes, the song sold 8,000 copies.
Since it has been released, it has an average of 4/5 stars on iTunes, from 733 ratings. The most popular 15 reviews are made up of 10 one-star reviews and 5 five-star reviews. Obviously people have very differing opinions of this song.
What's VERY strange (to me at least) is that before the EP was released, this song was released as a single on iTunes. In a very short time, the song had amassed not only a huge amount of sales (for a song with literally ZERO airplay at the time) but it also garnered nearly 800 reviews and ratings on iTunes, averaging 5/5 stars, and showing a near perfect 100% rating. Keep in mind this is in addition to the 733 he currently has, because those ratings were on an old posting of the song. What's even more strange is that a peculiar number of those original reviews were posted a couple days before the posted release date of the song.
So for a song that has sold around 250,000 copies, let's say it has around 1,333 unique reviews (assuming about a quarter of the original reviews were buyers who re-rated the new instance of the song on iTunes).
Here's a list of songs that have sold about the same amount, with comparative iTunes review totals:
"Came Here to Forget" -- B. Shelton -- 213,000 sold -- 428 reviews "Think of You" -- C. Young -- 250,000 sold -- 452 reviews "Snapback" -- Old Dominion -- 236,000 sold -- 208 reviews "I Like The Sound of That" -- Rascal Flatts -- 235,000 sold -- 648 reviews "Head Over Boots" -- J. Pardi -- 247,000 sold -- 130 reviews
"Used to Love You Sober" -- K. Brown -- 240,000 sold -- 1,333 reviews
Keep in mind the majority of those also include album reviews because the entire album is out. So my question is: how would a release that has been out for such a short amount of time have nearly as many reviews as all of the other examples combined?
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 18, 2016 18:30:28 GMT -5
The goal posts for an artist like Kane are decidedly different than traditional radio fodder.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 22:22:51 GMT -5
Well, one of my friends who is a morning show producer for KMLE in Phoenix tells me that this isn't being pushed by the label, lol. I mean, aside from a few small ads in the daily Aircheck emails, we haven't seen Sony do any big ads for this, and that's extremely rare for a new artist. A lot of radio stations won't play a song unless it's given an adds date.
I think you also have to keep in mind that Sony overhauled its promotion teams several weeks back. I think that directly hurt "My Church", "Whisper", and "Heartbeat". Carrie still got to #1 but I definitely think she could have had 2-3 weeks at #1 if the Arista team hadn't just been impacted by layoffs. We know for a fact that LANco's adds date was pushed back indefinitely because of this. And I think it's probably a big reason as to why RCA is only halfway pushing "Used To Love You Sober" right now, and hasn't given it an adds date yet.
I could be wrong -- maybe they won't give this an adds date. But I think Kane has still been out visiting radio stations in recent weeks, and because of that I'm still anticipating RCA to really get behind this one in the coming months. It's already done extremely well for a new artist's debut single (it's halfway to Gold), but I was never necessarily expecting it to climb as fast as "Cruise" or the On The Verge-assisted "Leave The Night On". This could easily spend 30+ weeks on the chart, simply because Kane is brand new to radio.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 18, 2016 22:31:43 GMT -5
Well, one of my friends who is a morning show producer for KMLE in Phoenix tells me that this isn't being pushed by the label, lol. I mean, aside from a few small ads in the daily Aircheck emails, we haven't seen Sony do any big ads for this, and that's extremely rare for a new artist. A lot of radio stations won't play a song unless it's given an adds date. My contact is a deejay here and he said the PD has had multiple ads in her inbox the past few weeks and the folks at RCA Nashville were pushing the song to radio and their station -- again, I'm just passing what he said to me -- I don't know exactly what is going behind the scenes. I wouldn't say this one is getting the full-throttle work to radio but they're attempting this to get up the charts. I still say this one is a big hit in the end but they're probably trying to have this one get steady airplay over a long period of time, which would explain the trickling adds week-after-week and to capitalize on each area of the Country and their markets -- allowing Kane to get to stations across the Country in the meantime. I think they're doing a pretty smart thing with "Used To Love You Sober." A big plus (along with other singles) would be for some of these ancient songs to give up the fight and free up some room.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 22:11:24 GMT -5
Well apparently I was wrong about this one. I thought they'd give it an adds date after his radio tour was done, but they just went with the immediate impact date (February 16) even though it was never officially published in Aircheck, Billboard, AllAccess, etc. It's really rare for a new artist's single to go for immediate adds right after they get signed and before they've done a full radio tour, but I guess Sony felt like Kane had enough hype and momentum to drop this one right after CRS. And while this one has been moving slowly the last few weeks, I don't think Sony was wrong. For a new artist, Kane still got to the top 40 pretty quickly. And "Used To Love You Sober" continues to sell quite well, so I definitely think this one will be a big hit before all is said and done.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 8, 2016 16:10:55 GMT -5
"Used To Love You Sober" has gained no net spins over the past month and has now lost 60 spins and 400k in audience this Mediabase week (70 spins lost over the past two days).
It did get five new adds this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 16:26:45 GMT -5
As I mentioned earlier in thread, it seems this one was done before it started. Really strange considering his "hype".
There's definitely still time to grow, but it has been treading water for what seems like forever now. I'd be interested to hear if the next single is more FGL sounding or more twangy.
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Post by kml567 on Jun 9, 2016 23:25:38 GMT -5
I believe the real 1st single to radio will be "Thunder In The Rain". He said he's releasing a new song next week, and some fans are speculating this will be the song. It's also gotten a few test spins on radio. I guess we'll know next week. I just hope it's not Cruise 2.0 ("Ain't No Stopping Us Now"), which is the other song being speculated.
That song is probably my favorite of his. Sounds like a recent Chris Young hit. He'll have no problem getting many radio adds and #1 hit now that he's finally done a radio tour. I think problem for "Used to Love You Sober" was that he released before doing a radio tour.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Jun 9, 2016 23:27:42 GMT -5
I believe the real 1st single to radio will be "Thunder In The Rain". He said he's releasing a new song next week, and some fans are speculating this will be the song. It's also gotten a few test spins on radio. I guess we'll know next week. I just hope it's not Cruise 2.0 ("Ain't No Stopping Us Now"), which is the other song being speculated. That song is probably my favorite of his. Sounds like a recent Chris Young hit. He'll have no problem getting many radio adds and #1 hit now that he's finally done a radio tour. I think problem for "Used to Love You Sober" was that he released before doing a radio tour. Kane responded to a fan on his Twitter the other day saying the song that is being released next week is "Ain't No Stopping Us Now".
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 9, 2016 23:46:53 GMT -5
Would make sense since "Used To Love You Sober" is all but finished, having lost 120 spins and 600k in audience this tracking week on Mediabase.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 10, 2016 9:31:29 GMT -5
The label definitely isn't working this one anymore. "Used To Love You Sober" lost another 65 spins and 350k in audience today.
I'm sure we'll see a new single from Kane shortly.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2016 15:34:55 GMT -5
Kane Brown has a new song on iTunes called "Ain't No Stopping Us Now". It's not a radio single yet but given how the label decided against continuing to go with "Used To Love You Sober", I'm assuming an impact will be around the corner.
It's hilariously bad. Whoa.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 15:43:55 GMT -5
Kane Brown has a new song on iTunes called "Ain't No Stopping Us Now". It's not a radio single yet but given how the label decided against continuing to go with "Used To Love You Sober", I'm assuming an impact will be around the corner.m It's hilariously bad. Whoa. Sounds like a throwaway Chase Rice track (and Chase hangs onto some garbage). I still find it strikingly odd that his rabid "fanbase" can push this song to (currently) #2 on iTunes overall, yet they couldn't get his debut higher than #35 on the charts.
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 17, 2016 15:52:16 GMT -5
I noticed that it's #2 on iTunes as well, which I find to be very... odd? I don't like to call foul play, but something definitely seems off. It's hard enough for big names like Blake, Luke and Jason to get into the top 5, let alone somebody with no previous TV exposure or any hit songs.
Also, this song is so much worse than "Used To Be Sober". What a disappointment, I thought he had a really strong debut but this one is just another typical fun Friday night type of song that sounds more electronic than country.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2016 15:56:47 GMT -5
Kane Brown has a new song on iTunes called "Ain't No Stopping Us Now". It's not a radio single yet but given how the label decided against continuing to go with "Used To Love You Sober", I'm assuming an impact will be around the corner.m It's hilariously bad. Whoa. Sounds like a throwaway Chase Rice track (and Chase hangs onto some garbage). I still find it strikingly odd that his rabid "fanbase" can push this song to (currently) #2 on iTunes overall, yet they couldn't get his debut higher than #35 on the charts. I'm still wondering exactly what the label was doing with UTLYS because they knew Kane had just started a radio tour and it seemed they never were fully committed to the single. The sales will recede once his fanbase gobbles the song up but I'm in awe of how well he sells. I get it, he's young and sings this new wave bro Country can still spark the music buying public but man, this new single is a dumpster fire. The lyrics are so bad it almost reads like a parody. The loud chorus production is off-putting, the backing vocals are annoying and what is with this guy and singing low register verses? That's two songs now he's done that. Is that an all the time thing? It sounds like "Cruise", only worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 16:16:04 GMT -5
Sounds like a throwaway Chase Rice track (and Chase hangs onto some garbage). I still find it strikingly odd that his rabid "fanbase" can push this song to (currently) #2 on iTunes overall, yet they couldn't get his debut higher than #35 on the charts. I'm still wondering exactly what the label was doing with UTLYS because they knew Kane had just started a radio tour and it seemed they never were fully committed to the single. The sales will recede once his fanbase gobbles the song up but I'm in awe of how well he sells. I get it, he's young and sings this new wave bro Country can still spark the music buying public but man, this new single is a dumpster fire. The lyrics are so bad it almost reads like a parody. The loud chorus production is off-putting, the backing vocals are annoying and what is with this guy and singing low register verses? That's two songs now he's done that. Is that an all the time thing? It sounds like "Cruise", only worse. I know it's not really a debate for this thread, but his fanbase behaves so strangely it REALLY makes me wonder what's going on. There's a massive spike in sales, reviews, ratings on iTunes when a song is just released. But after that it levels off to what someone would expect. His Spotify streams are pretty low. Way lower than someone who's newest pile of poo just raced to #2 on iTunes. Not to mention the fans clearly weren't requesting "Used to Love You Sober" at radio. What gives...?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 18, 2016 1:19:22 GMT -5
I'm still wondering exactly what the label was doing with UTLYS because they knew Kane had just started a radio tour and it seemed they never were fully committed to the single. The sales will recede once his fanbase gobbles the song up but I'm in awe of how well he sells. I get it, he's young and sings this new wave bro Country can still spark the music buying public but man, this new single is a dumpster fire. The lyrics are so bad it almost reads like a parody. The loud chorus production is off-putting, the backing vocals are annoying and what is with this guy and singing low register verses? That's two songs now he's done that. Is that an all the time thing? It sounds like "Cruise", only worse. I know it's not really a debate for this thread, but his fanbase behaves so strangely it REALLY makes me wonder what's going on. There's a massive spike in sales, reviews, ratings on iTunes when a song is just released. But after that it levels off to what someone would expect. His Spotify streams are pretty low. Way lower than someone who's newest pile of poo just raced to #2 on iTunes. Not to mention the fans clearly weren't requesting "Used to Love You Sober" at radio. What gives...? I mean, what you're describing to me sounds like all of his fans rush out to buy the song and then... no one else does, lol. If the fanbase all buys the song right away (and he obviously has developed a solid one), then the longevity in sales we see with other artists comes from the casual fans who aren't part of that core group who buy it after hearing it weeks or months down the road on radio or after a live performance, etc. And since "Used to Love You Sober" was thrown out there and not appropriately promoted by the label (there's no excuse that it died the way it did -- and I'm pretty annoyed about it since it was an obvious waste of a hit, and it was actually decent... and I'm already dreading hearing the new one from these comments ), it didn't really reach *that* many new people to spur digital sales higher. Also, I'm not sure what fans requesting it at radio would've done (we don't know that they weren't, either) since the label didn't seem to care how it did, and I'm sure that played the biggest factor in it stalling out so soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 1:30:23 GMT -5
And since "Used to Love You Sober" was thrown out there and not appropriately promoted by the label (there's no excuse that it died the way it did -- and I'm pretty annoyed about it since it was an obvious waste of a hit, and it was actually decent... and I'm already dreading hearing the new one from these comments ), it didn't really reach *that* many new people to spur digital sales higher. I understand what you're saying here -- "Used To Love You Sober" could have sold a lot more had it gotten more airplay -- but the song has sold almost 300,000 copies, which is just insane for a song that didn't even make the top 30. The only other song I can think of that sold a ton of copies without going top 30 is Brantley Gilbert's "Kick It In The Sticks", which is actually certified Platinum despite only peaking at #34 on Billboard Country Airplay. I suppose you could count Chris Stapleton's "Tennessee Whiskey" too (which is closing in on 800,000 sold without ever having been released to radio), but that was spurred by a viral performance. But anyway, either a decent amount of casual fans bought "Used To Love You Sober", or Kane has one hell of a big fan-base. I mean, as others have said, a new track that hasn't even been released to radio yet, from a brand new artist like Kane, going #2 all-genre on iTunes? That's simply unheard of. Big names like Jason Aldean, Luke Bryan, Florida Georgia Line, Carrie Underwood, etc. rarely reach #2 on the iTunes all-genre chart even if they see a splashy radio debut from hourly airplay and have an obvious hit on their hands. I will say that I like "Used To Love You Sober" well enough, but beyond this one song, I don't understand the appeal of Kane Brown at all, and I think there's something really fishy behind his rise from...someone I've never heard of, to someone that was quickly signed by a major label and can now push a song that's essentially an album track to #2 on iTunes.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 18, 2016 3:32:35 GMT -5
Kacey Musgraves' "Follow Your Arrow" also went Gold even though it peaked at #43.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 7:42:42 GMT -5
Something "fishy" indeed. His Facebook following is insane, but yet his Twitter and Instagram following is very moderate. As I said, the Spotify streams are also low.
How can he have over 1 million followers on Facebook, yet "Used to Love You Sober" has only been streamed about 5 million times on Spotify? I mean hell, Drake White's "It Feels Good" has been streamed that much.
Also didn't someone say that Sony WAS actively promoting this song?
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 18, 2016 8:05:02 GMT -5
Something "fishy" indeed. His Facebook following is insane, but yet his Twitter and Instagram following is very moderate. As I said, the Spotify streams are also low. How can he have over 1 million followers on Facebook, yet "Used to Love You Sober" has only been streamed about 5 million times on Spotify? I mean hell, Drake White's "It Feels Good" has been streamed that much. Also didn't someone say that Sony WAS actively promoting this song? I mentioned being told the label was actively promoting the song but I'm thinking they didn't give it everything they had since they just let go of it (it actually got 5 new adds the week the label dropped it, lol). I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before. An artist sells amazingly (by far the most sales I've seen from someone with one top 40 single to their name) yet has limited streams and Twitter/Instagram activity. The single being thrown out there before the radio tour was even fully in motion was odd -- they might've figured Kane had sold well enough that they could afford it but I don't care how well you're selling on iTunes, if you don't have a radio tour, you're at a serious disadvantage. Radio wants to be coddled. Only artists that go out of their way to visit these stations get special treatment. It's stupid but that's the game in radio. I'm wondering how Kane's radio career will turn out? His sales are through the roof but I'm not 100% sold he'll be a star artist like his mentors FGL. This is such a weird one. It really does seem like he was propped up or manufactured -- almost like they hired fans to support his songs digitally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 8:34:31 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't put it past labels who are trying to break an artist to make fake purchases on iTunes. But if that was the case, I'd also imagine them to do fake streams on Spotify. (By fake I mean the promo team basically sits in the office, and buys the song over and over with the promo budget footing the bill).
But looking at the comments on his Facebook page, people go crazy for him.
It's almost like he's a Jimmy Buffet of sorts--where the fans LOVE him. They just buy the song and listen to it 100x a day on their device. No need to listen to radio or stream it.
The difference between a Buffet and Kane is that Buffet is very unique and has a niche market. Kane's songs aren't groundbreaking by any means, sonically OR lyrically.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Jun 18, 2016 8:36:35 GMT -5
Kane is an experiment and at the helm is Jay Frank.
Sony got in to add some legitimacy. They probably figured "what the hell, let Jay do his thing and if it works we are geniuses! If not, well, we still sold some records!"
He has some pieces of the puzzle in place (fans) but his radio presence is weak. I think they are trying some sort of digital wizardry to see if radio is still the end all be all.
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