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Post by ant on May 10, 2016 11:14:25 GMT -5
I just need to know who is making the single and video decisions this era.
I imagine it went something like this: "Perfect era right here: Let's call the album Storyteller and then release 2 songs that don't really tell stories as the first 2 singles! And we have to make sure the video for the 2nd single stays within our $50 budget, due to the lackluster album and single sales from the less-than-exciting lead single. Then, for single #3, we will actually release a song that tells a story, except we will troll all of the fans by giving that song a live video that tells no story whatsoever!"
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 11:24:51 GMT -5
I just need to know who is making the single and video decisions this era. I imagine it went something like this: "Perfect era right here: Let's call the album Storyteller and then release 2 songs that don't really tell stories as the first 2 singles! And we have to make sure the video for the 2nd single stays within our $50 budget, due to the lackluster album and single sales from the less-than-exciting lead single. Then, for single #3, we will actually release a song that tells a story, except we will troll all of the fans by giving that song a live video that tells no story whatsoever!" *sigh* I'm just going to disagree about lackluster album sales. The album is gold, and in today's sales environment that is very good.
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Post by pnobelysk on May 10, 2016 12:05:52 GMT -5
I just need to know who is making the single and video decisions this era. I imagine it went something like this: "Perfect era right here: Let's call the album Storyteller and then release 2 songs that don't really tell stories as the first 2 singles! And we have to make sure the video for the 2nd single stays within our $50 budget, due to the lackluster album and single sales from the less-than-exciting lead single. Then, for single #3, we will actually release a song that tells a story, except we will troll all of the fans by giving that song a live video that tells no story whatsoever!" *sigh* I'm just going to disagree about lackluster album sales. The album is gold, and in today's sales environment that is very good. The sales are fine and in no way a panic worthy however I would say her team could've been optimistically hoping for more . Like she's not anywhere close to being dropped but I wouldn't be surprised if her team expected this album to be closer to a million right now . If she has the single success that she had on her last two albums this album would probably be sitting pretty right now with around 1 million sales , but her lackluster singles this era have really slowed down her sales potential. She's doing fine , but I bet she can realistically do better
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 13:02:14 GMT -5
I'm just going to disagree about lackluster album sales. The album is gold, and in today's sales environment that is very good. The sales are fine and in no way a panic worthy however I would say her team could've been optimistically hoping for more . Like she's not anywhere close to being dropped but I wouldn't be surprised if her team expected this album to be closer to a million right now . If she has the single success that she had on her last two albums this album would probably be sitting pretty right now with around 1 million sales , but her lackluster singles this era have really slowed down her sales potential. She's doing fine , but I bet she can realistically do better But couldn't every artist realistically still be doing better? Sure she could be, but she's in no way doing poorly. I think "Dirty Laundry" will be next and that will be big. But "Church Bells" is flying up the charts for a third single. No struggle there.
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Post by 14887fan on May 10, 2016 13:06:33 GMT -5
It's a good tour video. We've all seen these done a lot worse, so there's a consolation prize.
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Post by ant on May 10, 2016 13:15:52 GMT -5
The sales are fine and in no way a panic worthy however I would say her team could've been optimistically hoping for more . Like she's not anywhere close to being dropped but I wouldn't be surprised if her team expected this album to be closer to a million right now . If she has the single success that she had on her last two albums this album would probably be sitting pretty right now with around 1 million sales , but her lackluster singles this era have really slowed down her sales potential. She's doing fine , but I bet she can realistically do better But couldn't every artist realistically still be doing better? Sure she could be, but she's in no way doing poorly. I think "Dirty Laundry" will be next and that will be big. But "Church Bells" is flying up the charts for a third single. No struggle there. It may be flying up the charts but how has it been selling?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 14:25:29 GMT -5
But couldn't every artist realistically still be doing better? Sure she could be, but she's in no way doing poorly. I think "Dirty Laundry" will be next and that will be big. But "Church Bells" is flying up the charts for a third single. No struggle there. It may be flying up the charts but how has it been selling? I never said it was selling well, but when you look at the last few weeks, aside from debut singles being released the, the top selling country song is selling between 30K and 40K. That's abysmal. The top songs in all of music are barely moving 200K in a week (most weeks they don't), when that was very consistent a few years back. So it's not just Carrie, I wouldn't worry too much about Carrie as she's as popular as ever.
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Post by 14887fan on May 10, 2016 15:05:49 GMT -5
I don't think CB's sales were ever going to be stellar, just because it was coming off the heels of two slower-selling singles, A, and B, it's sonically similar to most other things she's put out these past few years: bombastic, lyrically-engaging, and full of big vocals. It's the classic CU single, which isn't a bad thing! It's just not going to necessarily compel people to buy into another one of something they might already have, if that makes sense. "Dirty Laundry" is different, edgy, and incredibly unique in her catalog, which is why I think we'll see much stronger sales for it when it gets released, which I fully think will happen.
Maybe they've been saving DL and CCA for last on purpose? Put the "weaker" single releases at the beginning, wedge CB in the middle as a turning point, and give the era some extra legs by throwing the obvious hit and the left-of-center risk as the last two single releases, in order to prolong the shelf life of the album?
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Post by tryexp on May 10, 2016 15:40:29 GMT -5
The video is quite good for a Tour video, but I'm quite disappointed that's what they chose for this one...Still a good video
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Post by ant on May 10, 2016 16:04:08 GMT -5
I don't think CB's sales were ever going to be stellar, just because it was coming off the heels of two slower-selling singles, A, and B, it's sonically similar to most other things she's put out these past few years: bombastic, lyrically-engaging, and full of big vocals. It's the classic CU single, which isn't a bad thing! It's just not going to necessarily compel people to buy into another one of something they might already have, if that makes sense. "Dirty Laundry" is different, edgy, and incredibly unique in her catalog, which is why I think we'll see much stronger sales for it when it gets released, which I fully think will happen. Maybe they've been saving DL and CCA for last on purpose? Put the "weaker" single releases at the beginning, wedge CB in the middle as a turning point, and give the era some extra legs by throwing the obvious hit and the left-of-center risk as the last two single releases, in order to prolong the shelf life of the album? I definitely think "Dirty Laundry" is the next single, but I'd bet my money that "Renegade Runaway" is 5th. Those are the only 2 songs left that had their own rooms during the album release party, so it seems like they've had the singles planned out all along. The fact that the singles so far have gone in reverse order of the first 5 tracks on the album reaffirm this (tracks 5, 4, 3 have been singles in that order, with DL being #2, and RR being #1). I don't know if I can see, or even want them to release another murder song. For me, it was always one or the other when it came to "Church Bells" or "Choctaw County Affair". At first, I wanted CCA because it's edgy and different. Then, I changed my mind and felt that CB should be released instead because I thought CCA might be too polarizing for radio and CB would be a safer bet, as it is more "classic Carrie". I was hoping all of the singles this era would be the songs that sound different and be a bit of a risk, but after the lackluster "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" releases (which were different songs for Carrie), I felt like CB could help pull fans back in. Now I'm not so sure. I almost think CCA could've been a pretty cool lead single. I really think starting this era off with "Smoke Break" was a big mistake.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 10, 2016 16:51:44 GMT -5
But couldn't every artist realistically still be doing better? Sure she could be, but she's in no way doing poorly. I think "Dirty Laundry" will be next and that will be big. But "Church Bells" is flying up the charts for a third single. No struggle there. It may be flying up the charts but how has it been selling? This past week, "Church Bells" was #15 on the Billboard Country Airplay chart and #14 on the Billboard Country Digital Songs chart, ahead of lead singles like Jason Aldean's latest. So it's selling well relative to the market. And, as I noted here, "Church Bells"' daily Spotify daily streaming averages are running well ahead of where "Heartbeat" was at comparable airplay, which is encouraging considering that "Heartbeat" wound up faring very well on the Country Streaming Songs chart. None of this is to suggest that a narrative video for "Church Bells" wouldn't have been a) appropriate and b) helped "Church Bells" to go bigger. As it is, the video is far more effective as an advertisement for Carrie's tour than it is as a conveyor of the message of the song. On the bright side, Carrie has had two terrific televised performances of "Church Bells" to help with the latter, though even then, I would have loved a very lyric-focused treatment at some point. One other thought: no, "Smoke Break" was not a blockbuster. But it served two constituencies that are not Carrie's pop-leaning fans: country radio (where "Smoke Break" continues to be a strong recurrent, reflecting the fact that it wasn't a manufactured hit; "Heartbeat" has been a very strong recurrent as well) and country critics (see: "Smoke Break"'s strong placement on year-end best-of lists among country critics). Would it have been preferable for Carrie to have a lead single that worked at radio, generated critical acclaim *and* was a blockbuster? Of course. But I don't see why it's a garment-rending tragedy that Carrie should have some work to do to figure out how to accomplish that in an environment that has changed in so many ways and when her own life has changed so much. And I still think that "Smoke Break" helped change the media conversation on Carrie as a vocal stylist and artist to help set up Storyteller's vocal and stylistic experimentation. That is something of value, however intangible. I thought that Keith Urban's recent comments about how Carrie is starting to figure out how much she can do with her immense vocal gifts were telling, and they set Carrie up for what should be a very interesting new chapter (that has started with Storyteller). And in the meantime, Carrie's tour is pretty massive, in terms of production, in terms of commercial response and in terms of critical response. Carrie has never been an artist reliant on blockbuster sales alone, though of course that aspect of her career has driven a ton for her. She is also a prestige artist and increasingly, someone whom most see as really having come into her own. So while of course, blockbuster numbers wouldn't hurt, I think that for Carrie to do as well as she is doing right now the way she is doing it on all fronts puts her career in as strong a stead as it ever has been.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 10, 2016 17:03:59 GMT -5
I just need to know who is making the single and video decisions this era. I imagine it went something like this: "Perfect era right here: Let's call the album Storyteller and then release 2 songs that don't really tell stories as the first 2 singles! And we have to make sure the video for the 2nd single stays within our $50 budget, due to the lackluster album and single sales from the less-than-exciting lead single. Then, for single #3, we will actually release a song that tells a story, except we will troll all of the fans by giving that song a live video that tells no story whatsoever!" *sigh* I agree with most of what you said, but how does "Smoke Break" not tell a story? Well, it may not tell a single story, but it tells multiple stories in a sense to ultimately tell a story for many workers.
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Post by pnobelysk on May 10, 2016 17:20:04 GMT -5
I don't think CB's sales were ever going to be stellar, just because it was coming off the heels of two slower-selling singles, A, and B, it's sonically similar to most other things she's put out these past few years: bombastic, lyrically-engaging, and full of big vocals. It's the classic CU single, which isn't a bad thing! It's just not going to necessarily compel people to buy into another one of something they might already have, if that makes sense. "Dirty Laundry" is different, edgy, and incredibly unique in her catalog, which is why I think we'll see much stronger sales for it when it gets released, which I fully think will happen. Maybe they've been saving DL and CCA for last on purpose? Put the "weaker" single releases at the beginning, wedge CB in the middle as a turning point, and give the era some extra legs by throwing the obvious hit and the left-of-center risk as the last two single releases, in order to prolong the shelf life of the album? I definitely think "Dirty Laundry" is the next single, but I'd bet my money that "Renegade Runaway" is 5th. Those are the only 2 songs left that had their own rooms during the album release party, so it seems like they've had the singles planned out all along. The fact that the singles so far have gone in reverse order of the first 5 tracks on the album reaffirm this (tracks 5, 4, 3 have been singles in that order, with DL being #2, and RR being #1). I don't know if I can see, or even want them to release another murder song. For me, it was always one or the other when it came to "Church Bells" or "Choctaw County Affair". At first, I wanted CCA because it's edgy and different. Then, I changed my mind and felt that CB should be released instead because I thought CCA might be too polarizing for radio and CB would be a safer bet, as it is more "classic Carrie". I was hoping all of the singles this era would be the songs that sound different and be a bit of a risk, but after the lackluster "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" releases (which were different songs for Carrie), I felt like CB could help pull fans back in. Now I'm not so sure. I almost think CCA could've been a pretty cool lead single. I really think starting this era off with "Smoke Break" was a big mistake. I think the chances of this project getting a fifth single are really low . Her last two album eras were much more successful than this one , and those didn't get 5th singles . Honestly if this was any other country artist , I don't even think this project would get a fourth single but because it's Carrie and she's been so successful they might give her one . If church bells follows the selling pattern of the last two singles it might only end up with around 275k in total sales (before the following weeks become abysmal) . A fourth single would likely sell less than that and wouldn't really be a good look (and the sales of a fifth single from this project I wouldn't even want to think about ) . Hopefully church bells is an exception though and can sell more like previous Carrie singles .
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 10, 2016 20:15:57 GMT -5
Still disappointed that a great story song like this will not be met with an equally great music video like we know Carrie Underwood is certainly capable of. That said, that video does make me excited that this coming weekend I'll be seeing her her live and holy smokes the show looks fantastic. The first time I saw her, it was during the tour promoting Play On, so I'm looking forward to great performances from the two albums she's released since then.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 10, 2016 21:09:17 GMT -5
Honestly if this was any other country artist , I don't even think this project would get a fourth single but because it's Carrie and she's been so successful they might give her one . Wait. What? Album sales through third single peak plus one-tenth of total single sales through third single peak to calculate TEA sales: Kenny Chesney, The Big Revival (released 23 September 2014): 390K + (1.27 million + 100K + 242K)/10 = 390K + 161.2K = 551.2KDierks Bentley, Riser (released 25 February 2014): 332K + (611K + 1.3 million + 362K)/10 = 332K + 227.3K = 559.3KBlake Shelton, Bringing Back the Sunshine (released 30 September 2014): 403.2K + (526K + 530K + 864K)/10 = 403.2K + 192K = 595.2KZac Brown Band, Jekyll & Hyde (released 28 April 2015): 628.3K + (781K + 377K + 412K)/10 = 628.3K + 157K = 785.3KAll of these albums had fourth singles released. To date: Carrie Underwood, Storyteller (released 23 October 2015): 579K + (450K + 350K + 76k)/10 = 579K + 87.6K = 667KSo despite coming out after the debut of Apple Music streaming (which drove a major decline in sales and prior to which all of the other albums mentioned saw their best-selling singles), Storyteller has outsold (in pure album sales and TEA terms) a number of major projects at a comparable point in their respective chart runs, and Storyteller will have matched the pure album sales of Jekyll & Hyde by the time "Church Bells" has peaked. No, Storyteller has not sold as well as fellow 2015 releases Traveller or Kill the Lights. But that's about it in the current market. So I would be fascinated to know the data and logic behind your assertion that if this were any other country artist, "I don't even think this project would get a fourth single." The sales to date clearly show otherwise. Also regarding single sales, I eagerly await the argument that the following songs, all of which were near the top of the weekly Country Digital Songs chart for much of their respective runs at radio, were poor sellers: Luke Bryan/Karen Fairchild, "Home Alone Tonight": 339K through its airplay peak in mid-February; 416K now Chris Young/Cassadee Pope, "Think of You": 324K Brett Eldredge, "Drunk on Your Love": 344K through early April 2016, when it had peaked Bottom line: this is the market right now for songs that sell well relative to the rest of the market (as "Heartbeat" and "Smoke Break" have) that are not blockbusters. The blockbusters get to 500K in sales during their radio runs (aided if said radio runs last longer than the typical A-list frame of twenty weeks).
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Post by pnobelysk on May 10, 2016 22:08:28 GMT -5
Honestly if this was any other country artist , I don't even think this project would get a fourth single but because it's Carrie and she's been so successful they might give her one . Wait. What? Album sales through third single peak plus one-tenth of total single sales through third single peak to calculate TEA sales: Kenny Chesney, The Big Revival (released 23 September 2014): 390K + (1.27 million + 100K + 242K)/10 = 390K + 161.2K = 551.2KDierks Bentley, Riser (released 25 February 2014): 332K + (611K + 1.3 million + 362K)/10 = 332K + 227.3K = 559.3KBlake Shelton, Bringing Back the Sunshine (released 30 September 2014): 403.2K + (526K + 530K + 864K)/10 = 403.2K + 192K = 595.2KZac Brown Band, Jekyll & Hyde (released 28 April 2015): 628.3K + (781K + 377K + 412K)/10 = 628.3K + 157K = 785.3KAll of these albums had fourth singles released. To date: Carrie Underwood, Storyteller (released 23 October 2015): 579K + (450K + 350K + 76k)/10 = 579K + 87.6K = 667KSo despite coming out after the debut of Apple Music streaming (which drove a major decline in sales and prior to which all of the other albums mentioned saw their best-selling singles), Storyteller has outsold (in pure album sales and TEA terms) a number of major projects at a comparable point in their respective chart runs, and Storyteller will have matched the pure album sales of Jekyll & Hyde by the time "Church Bells" has peaked. No, Storyteller has not sold as well as fellow 2015 releases Traveller or Kill the Lights. But that's about it in the current market. So I would be fascinated to know the data and logic behind your assertion that if this were any other country artist, "I don't even think this project would get a fourth single." The sales to date clearly show otherwise. Also regarding single sales, I eagerly await the argument that the following songs, all of which were near the top of the weekly Country Digital Songs chart for much of their respective runs at radio, were poor sellers: Luke Bryan/Karen Fairchild, "Home Alone Tonight": 339K through its airplay peak in mid-February; 416K now Chris Young/Cassadee Pope, "Think of You": 324K Brett Eldredge, "Drunk on Your Love": 344K through early April 2016, when it had peaked Bottom line: this is the market right now for songs that sell well relative to the rest of the market (as "Heartbeat" and "Smoke Break" have) that are not blockbusters. The blockbusters get to 500K in sales during their radio runs (aided if said radio runs last longer than the typical A-list frame of twenty weeks). Sorry I don't have extensive knowledge of country music outside of few acts and you made fantastic points . I'd still be a little nervous about a fourth single though because this one got a live video and I feel like that's a sign a lot of times of the closing of an era . I still think she has a solid chance though of getting a fourth single, however I'd be really nervous for its sales . I Think I'm just bummed because before this project all of carries singles sold 500k minimum and if she keeps releasing singles from this project I think there's a decent chance they won't get there
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 11, 2016 0:24:20 GMT -5
Regardless of how well a Carrie Underwood single ends up selling total by the end of its chart run (which I don't see being an issue anyway fwiw), she is guaranteed to take everything she releases to the Top 3 on country radio, so there's really no reason at all to be worried about multiple more singles getting high levels of airplay because that can *only* be a good thing. I can very easily see them doing two more singles from this project with ease and all of them doing well enough to be certainly worthy of release.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 11, 2016 6:57:30 GMT -5
For what it's worth, it's a very well done live video. I think it's very well produced in terms of sound and visuals, and it paints the tour in a great light. It definitely makes it clear that Carrie is not only on tour, but she's producing one of the best shows of the year!
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Post by Marv on May 11, 2016 13:39:54 GMT -5
As usual I agree 1,000% with our impeccable moderator; the idea of only releasing three singles from any of her CDs is absurd--adapting Toby's early 2000's playbook of three singles per CD is something that no current superstar would even remotely contemplate since the charts were much faster back then among many other reasons.
Additionally, singles by format superstars repeatedly reached #1 within the then superstar-level timeframe of 6-9 weeks back then as opposed to today's timeframe of 12-15 weeks with a few exceptions.
A fourth single is a lock (duh!), and a fifth single would also appear to be a lock, if for no other reason than looking at a calendar; single #5 would come out early next year, a new single from her next CD would come out in the spring, and her next CD would be released in early summer.
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Post by ant on May 11, 2016 15:50:03 GMT -5
I don't know if it was on here or not, but someone mentioned that Keith could release "The Fighter" which might be a determining factor as to whether Carrie will get a 5th single or not. But I can't see Keith releasing that song as a single to country radio.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 11, 2016 16:44:55 GMT -5
I don't know if it was on here or not, but someone mentioned that Keith could release "The Fighter" which might be a determining factor as to whether Carrie will get a 5th single or not. But I can't see Keith releasing that song as a single to country radio. Any thoughts? I can see him releasing this in time for it to peak when they're touring together... But I don't know how much that would make sense in the USA if the tour is only in Australia. So right now I'm thinking if it's a single, it'll be released sometime next year, perhaps as the last single from his album and well after "Storyteller" is finished in terms of singles.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:39:38 GMT -5
I let the lackluster videos for Smoke Break & Heartbeat slide, but releasing a live video for the best single of the era is just absured.
I know Carrie is busy on tour and a new mother, but it's disappointing to see an artist go from a visually great era with some of her best singles to...this.
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Post by Dustin J. on May 13, 2016 10:43:16 GMT -5
But I can't see Keith releasing that song as a single to country radio. Any thoughts? Sadly, it doesn't matter what genre a song falls under anymore. Given the artists singing it, country radio will play it...not matter how pop/dance it is.
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Post by 14887fan on May 13, 2016 12:31:23 GMT -5
LOL, the drama. Some of y'all act like this era is dead. Look at her touring numbers. She's still growing as a live entertainer, after over ten years of being in this. While I, too, wanted a more visual video for this, it's not like this is a bad video by any means.
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Post by ant on May 13, 2016 13:28:02 GMT -5
LOL, the drama. Some of y'all act like this era is dead. Look at her touring numbers. She's still growing as a live entertainer, after over ten years of being in this. While I, too, wanted a more visual video for this, it's not like this is a bad video by any means. The fact that a live video is totally inappropriate for a song like this, makes it bad regardless, in my opinion. I don't know, I just hate live videos. They add nothing to the song.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:46:41 GMT -5
LOL, the drama. Some of y'all act like this era is dead. Look at her touring numbers. She's still growing as a live entertainer, after over ten years of being in this. While I, too, wanted a more visual video for this, it's not like this is a bad video by any means. I know, I can't understand why people are writing Carrie off as done. If we know anything about Carrie is you never underestimate Carrie. She's had two #1s and is on her way to a third, so the disappointment with the era is baffling. I get disappointment with this video, but the era hasn't been mishandled, she's more force than ever.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2016 13:50:32 GMT -5
LOL, the drama. Some of y'all act like this era is dead. Look at her touring numbers. She's still growing as a live entertainer, after over ten years of being in this. While I, too, wanted a more visual video for this, it's not like this is a bad video by any means. I know, I can't understand why people are writing Carrie off as done. If we know anything about Carrie is you never underestimate Carrie. She's had two #1s and is on her way to a third, so the disappointment with the era is baffling. I get disappointment with this video, but the era hasn't been mishandled, she's more force than ever. Your post is predicated on people thinking radio #1s are a sign of success. Not everyone sees it that way. I am one. I would prefer good album sales, strong digital singles sales, quality videos, and/or good streaming numbers to radio #1s. We all know how ridiculous country radio is at this point due to label politics/money. I don't consider an era with strong radio hits as a sign someone is more of a force than ever.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:05:22 GMT -5
I know, I can't understand why people are writing Carrie off as done. If we know anything about Carrie is you never underestimate Carrie. She's had two #1s and is on her way to a third, so the disappointment with the era is baffling. I get disappointment with this video, but the era hasn't been mishandled, she's more force than ever. Your post is predicated on people thinking radio #1s are a sign of success. Not everyone sees it that way. I am one. I would prefer good album sales, strong digital singles sales, quality videos, and/or good streaming numbers to radio #1s. We all know how ridiculous country radio is at this point due to label politics/money. I don't consider an era with strong radio hits as a sign someone is more of a force than ever. Considering the times she has strong sales, though. And the fact that her tour is a HUGE success, and that any little thing she posted on social media seems to be picked up all over the internet, that would indicate that she is a force to behold.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2016 14:09:33 GMT -5
Your post is predicated on people thinking radio #1s are a sign of success. Not everyone sees it that way. I am one. I would prefer good album sales, strong digital singles sales, quality videos, and/or good streaming numbers to radio #1s. We all know how ridiculous country radio is at this point due to label politics/money. I don't consider an era with strong radio hits as a sign someone is more of a force than ever. Considering the times she has strong sales, though. And the fact that her tour is a HUGE success, and that any little thing she posted on social media seems to be picked up all over the internet, that would indicate that she is a force to behold. You make a good point about the tour, and I should have added that to my post. Having said that, my ultimate point was that I don't consider radio success much of a sign of anything other than perhaps an artist being a priority to the label. Radio success isn't something I care about at this point.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 13, 2016 14:18:52 GMT -5
I know, I can't understand why people are writing Carrie off as done. If we know anything about Carrie is you never underestimate Carrie. She's had two #1s and is on her way to a third, so the disappointment with the era is baffling. I get disappointment with this video, but the era hasn't been mishandled, she's more force than ever. Your post is predicated on people thinking radio #1s are a sign of success. Not everyone sees it that way. I am one. I would prefer good album sales, strong digital singles sales, quality videos, and/or good streaming numbers to radio #1s. We all know how ridiculous country radio is at this point due to label politics/money. I don't consider an era with strong radio hits as a sign someone is more of a force than ever. The lesson to learn from the shenanigans we have observed at country radio is not that all radio #1s are manufactured and therefore dismissable, but that not all radio #1s are created equal. In the case of "Heartbeat," for example, it didn't take shenanigans for the song to actually get to #1. It took shenanigans to convert it from a sureshot multi-week #1 to a single-week #1. And "Heartbeat"'s ongoing strong recurrent play (as opposed to the low recurrent play for songs like "Dibs," for example) is a sign that its airplay peak was not, in fact, manufactured. It's pretty well-documented in Carrie's single threads here that the story with her country radio peaks has largely been one not of manufactured peaks but of naturally high peaks (of songs that genuinely connected), a number of which have been interfered with/bungled by her own label. So dismissing Carrie's ongoing relevance at country radio over ten years into her career, when the sound of and programming approach to country radio has undergone fairly significant changes, doesn't make sense to me. While I don't think that the radio #1s are a sign that Carrie is "more of a force than ever," Carrie's run at radio remains remarkable, not least because it includes a fairly long stretch of singles in which she went totally against the prevailing thematic and sonic trends at country radio (from "Blown Away" through "Little Toy Guns," and arguably even "Smoke Break") and because even a more on-trend single like "Heartbeat" manages to stay true enough to the core of who she is. Bottom line: While I heartily agree that radio is far from the be-all and end-all and that radio success alone doesn't establish someone as a force, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider radio to be a relevant component in illustrating Carrie's overarching current success. And my interpretation of @adam1995 's post was that he was citing radio as just another component of Carrie's overarching success after agreeing with 14887fan 's comment about Carrie's tour numbers. ETA: And @adam1995 already clarified this point while I was drafting this.
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