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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:23:05 GMT -5
Considering the times she has strong sales, though. And the fact that her tour is a HUGE success, and that any little thing she posted on social media seems to be picked up all over the internet, that would indicate that she is a force to behold. You make a good point about the tour, and I should have added that to my post. Having said that, my ultimate point was that I don't consider radio success much of a sign of anything other than perhaps an artist being a priority to the label. Radio success isn't something I care about at this point. No, I understand that. I hate the way radio is manipulated. There is a case to be made in the fact that since radio plays so few women that Carrie's consistent hits makes her a force, no matter how manipulated radio may be, she has the power to break the male mold, every time she has a single.
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Post by 14887fan on May 13, 2016 16:35:50 GMT -5
LOL, the drama. Some of y'all act like this era is dead. Look at her touring numbers. She's still growing as a live entertainer, after over ten years of being in this. While I, too, wanted a more visual video for this, it's not like this is a bad video by any means. The fact that a live video is totally inappropriate for a song like this, makes it bad regardless, in my opinion. I don't know, I just hate live videos. They add nothing to the song. Well that's fine, but it doesn't equate to the death of the era. Chill.
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Post by ant on May 14, 2016 8:49:00 GMT -5
The fact that a live video is totally inappropriate for a song like this, makes it bad regardless, in my opinion. I don't know, I just hate live videos. They add nothing to the song. Well that's fine, but it doesn't equate to the death of the era. Chill. I know, but we are 3 singles in and have yet to get a good video. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like there is a certain "magic" or excitement that is missing from this album era as opposed to all of her previous ones.
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Post by bboat11 on May 14, 2016 14:05:55 GMT -5
Well that's fine, but it doesn't equate to the death of the era. Chill. I know, but we are 3 singles in and have to get a good video. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like there is a certain "magic" or excitement that is missing from this album era as opposed to all of her previous ones. I personally thought the video for "Smoke Break" was exquisite! The setting and acting were all perfect for that song. So I disagree that we have yet to get a good video for this era. "Heartbeat" was slightly disappointing, and "Church Bells" is definitely disappointing, but it's not like Carrie hasn't released a good video for this entire era. Now, I will definitely say that out of the 3, "Smoke Break" probably would have been the best for a live video and then give "Church Bells" the big-budget actual music video...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 17:43:12 GMT -5
I don't think a music video makes or breaks an artist's momentum (especially one on the level of Carrie Underwood).
However I will agree that there isn't as much "excitement" this era. To me, that's because the songs just really aren't as good as they used to be.
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Post by 14887fan on May 14, 2016 17:50:47 GMT -5
I think the single choices themselves have something to do with it. The "excitement" so many of us are used to has stemmed from the epic and larger-than-life sounds that've been distributed to radio to represent her albums. BA included four incredibly huge-sounding singles, and her GH set came along with two more. The shift from those to two consecutive laid-back singles was pretty jarring for the diehard fans. If they had continued the trend of more ~bombastic~ single releases to carry this entire album through its radio life, and had instead used any combination of "Dirty Laundry", "Choctaw County Affair", "Relapse", and/or this song for the first two or three singles, then I don't think there would be so much talk of there not being any excitement to this era.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 22:09:47 GMT -5
However I will agree that there isn't as much "excitement" this era. To me, that's because the songs just really aren't as good as they used to be. I think Storyteller is Carrie's best album yet. It's not perfect, but I think most of the songs are very high-quality. The 'problem' is that the first 2 singles didn't stand out quite as much as many of Carrie's previous singles did. "Smoke Break" was decent enough but it hasn't held up very well for me. I do like "Heartbeat" a lot, and I would've been fine with the decision to release it 2nd, but only if the 1st and 3rd singles had packed more of a punch. I would have released "Dirty Laundry" first, then maybe "Heartbeat", and then choose from songs like "Church Bells", "Relapse", "Chaser", "Choctaw County Affair", and maybe one of the ballads, possibly "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted", for singles 3-5. I don't dislike "Smoke Break" but I would have preferred for it to remain an album track. "Church Bells" is doing pretty solid, though. Sure, it's possible (if not likely) that it might be doing a little better (sales-wise) if there was an epic video to generate more word-of-mouth, but as it is, it's top 50 all-genre on iTunes and its iTunes position continues to rise as the song's airplay increases. "Church Bells" is out-pacing Aldean's lead single, Eric Church's 2nd single, Kenny's lead single, and it was also ahead of Keith's "Wasted Time" until about a week ago (Naturally, "Wasted Time" received a boost due to the release of Ripcord). "Church Bells" has a higher sales-per-spin ratio than Thomas Rhett's "T-Shirt" does, and it looks like it may have surpassed Luke Bryan's "Huntin', Fishin', and Lovin' Every Day" in sales-per-spin as well.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 14, 2016 22:29:37 GMT -5
I think people are getting too letdown here because they've allowed themselves to put Carrie Underwood up to an unusually high expectation level that she's basically unable to meet. Regardless of what singles she released, her album and singles were just not going to sell the way they did in 2012, for instance. Considering all the factors at work, like a decrease in sales across the board for basically everyone right now, she's still at the top of the pack among her contemporaries, as jhomes87 pointed out. I also believe Storyteller is her best album to date and I honestly feel like the singles have been pretty solid. "Heartbeat" and "Church Bells" are some of the best songs she's ever put out, imo, and I even love "Smoke Break" and am glad it was a single too because it's a different type of song to put into her singles catalog and I really enjoyed the music video. <3
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Post by ant on May 15, 2016 9:15:02 GMT -5
I just think if they wanted to put out a great live video to promote the tour, it should've been for a song like "Choctaw County Affair", with Carrie playing the harmonica at the beginning and all. It's hard to imagine how they would put a song like that into a 'regular' video anyway, so I think a live video would've been perfect for that song if it had become a single. I know it's still a possibility, but now that "Church Bells" became a single and is also a murder song, along with the fact that it got the live video treatment, leads me to believe that CCA won't be released.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 10:09:15 GMT -5
I just think if they wanted to put out a great live video to promote the tour, it should've been for a song like "Choctaw County Affair", with Carrie playing the harmonica at the beginning and all. It's hard to imagine how they would put a song like that into a 'regular' video anyway, so I think a live video would've been perfect for that song if it had become a single. I know it's still a possibility, but now that "Church Bells" became a single and is also a murder song, along with the fact that it got the live video treatment, leads me to believe that CCA won't be released. Funny you should mention how they could do a CCA video, because I've had that all planned out in my head for a while now, ha.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 15, 2016 11:23:15 GMT -5
I don't see why it would make sense for "Choctaw County Affair" to have a live video if we're upset that "Church Bells" didn't get one. That's like saying "Good Girl" should've been a live video but "Cowboy Casanova" absolutely HAD to have a real music video. I'm not too confident about CCA being a single now either, especially if they also plan to release "Dirty Laundry" (can't see them doing all 3 of them), but I'd have loved a video treatment for that just as much as seeing one for "Church Bells."
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Post by ant on May 15, 2016 14:10:39 GMT -5
I don't see why it would make sense for "Choctaw County Affair" to have a live video if we're upset that "Church Bells" didn't get one. That's like saying "Good Girl" should've been a live video but "Cowboy Casanova" absolutely HAD to have a real music video. I'm not too confident about CCA being a single now either, especially if they also plan to release "Dirty Laundry" (can't see them doing all 3 of them), but I'd have loved a video treatment for that just as much as seeing one for "Church Bells." Because I feel like it would be easier to put the lyrics of "Church Bells" into a music video form. "Choctaw County Affair" is a highlight of the tour, with Carrie on the harmonica on the intro and all. It would make much more sense as a live video, especially if the reason for the live video is to promote the tour. Of course, I prefer regular videos all around, but had we gotten a great video for "Heartbeat" and an amazing one for a single like "Dirty Laundry", I wouldn't have minded a live video for CCA because I can understand how that song might not translate well into a regular music video.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 15, 2016 14:30:40 GMT -5
I don't see why it would make sense for "Choctaw County Affair" to have a live video if we're upset that "Church Bells" didn't get one. That's like saying "Good Girl" should've been a live video but "Cowboy Casanova" absolutely HAD to have a real music video. I'm not too confident about CCA being a single now either, especially if they also plan to release "Dirty Laundry" (can't see them doing all 3 of them), but I'd have loved a video treatment for that just as much as seeing one for "Church Bells." Because I feel like it would be easier to put the lyrics of "Church Bells" into a music video form. "Choctaw County Affair" is a highlight of the tour, with Carrie on the harmonica on the intro and all. It would make much more sense as a live video, especially if the reason for the live video is to promote the tour. Of course, I prefer regular videos all around, but had we gotten a great video for "Heartbeat" and an amazing one for a single like "Dirty Laundry", I wouldn't have minded a live video for CCA because I can understand how that song might not translate well into a regular music video. I don't see why a great murder mystery storyline would make sense to be relegated to a live video over a song about a girl wanting to slow dance with her head on her man's chest, especially if the issue you're having is them cheaping out on videos this era. I think a live video for CCA would be an equal disservice as it is for CB, because both of them would've made for excellent videos. I'm pretty confident the only reason we wound up with only a live video for the current single is her touring schedule, and I bet it would've happened to whatever song she released third. It's a moot point now though and the live video for CB turned out well and has/will not stop it from being a big hit.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 15:32:07 GMT -5
Carrie can still slay on a harmonica in a real music video.
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Post by desertfloods on May 15, 2016 21:02:38 GMT -5
Sadly, after Church Bells, I have to say I am completely against releasing Choctaw as a single now. The murder overkill is just too much. I would love to see Carrie perform that harmonica solo on live tv though.
Dirty Laundry next please. Or Relapse.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 16, 2016 0:26:02 GMT -5
Saw the Storyteller Tour tonight and wow was it good. I thought she was good when I saw her in 2010 when she toured for Play On but... it didn't even come close to this show. I can't even be even a little mad about the live video for this anymore because the concert blew me away. I don't know if she switches it up a little from show-to-show but she didn't do "Relapse," which makes me think that it's probably not in the running for a single choice. "Dirty Laundry" got the biggest response from the non-singles though so I'd bet that one is next. Hopefully they'll do an epic video for it, too. <3
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Post by brinkeronline on May 16, 2016 9:55:31 GMT -5
Saw the Storyteller Tour tonight and wow was it good. I thought she was good when I saw her in 2010 when she toured for Play On but... it didn't even come close to this show. I can't even be even a little mad about the live video for this anymore because the concert blew me away. I don't know if she switches it up a little from show-to-show but she didn't do "Relapse," which makes me think that it's probably not in the running for a single choice. "Dirty Laundry" got the biggest response from the non-singles though so I'd bet that one is next. Hopefully they'll do an epic video for it, too. <3 Relapse isn't and hasn't ever been part of the set list, unfortunately. (Yet Clock Don't Stop is...)
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Post by ant on May 16, 2016 14:49:23 GMT -5
Things can change. I remember for the first leg of the Blown Away Tour, "See You Again" wasn't on the set list and then it became a single, if I'm remembering correctly.
Also, does anyone think this song would've made for a good lead single? Especially if they had given it a proper (epic) video. It could've been an exciting way to kick off the era.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 16, 2016 15:11:26 GMT -5
Saw the Storyteller Tour tonight and wow was it good. I thought she was good when I saw her in 2010 when she toured for Play On but... it didn't even come close to this show. I can't even be even a little mad about the live video for this anymore because the concert blew me away. I don't know if she switches it up a little from show-to-show but she didn't do "Relapse," which makes me think that it's probably not in the running for a single choice. "Dirty Laundry" got the biggest response from the non-singles though so I'd bet that one is next. Hopefully they'll do an epic video for it, too. <3 Relapse isn't and hasn't ever been part of the set list, unfortunately. (Yet Clock Don't Stop is...) Yeah, "Clock Don't Stop" was the one song on the setlist that I was a little thrown off by. It's my least-favorite on Storyteller, so I definitely could've done without that and would've much rather seen a performance for "Like I'll Never Love You Again" instead, which is my favorite of the ones she didn't do, but at the very least "Chaser" or "Relapse" would've made a bit more sense, imo. Things can change. I remember for the first leg of the Blown Away Tour, "See You Again" wasn't on the set list and then it became a single, if I'm remembering correctly. That's true. I am thinking it looks like "Dirty Laundry" will be next and then the fifth single, knowing Carrie and based on her setlist, will probably be either "Renegade Runaway" (she loves these types of songs) or "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted" (it's like another "Mama's Song" and we know how much she loved that one -- at least this one is good though, so I wouldn't be opposed to it as a single like I was with MS).
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Post by maine on May 23, 2016 17:38:41 GMT -5
I've been super late on all three singles this era, but I love this one as well. This might be my favorite one yet, and I absolutely loved both "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat".
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Post by Ragin on May 31, 2016 5:22:40 GMT -5
Is this going to miss the top ten? I see no momentum, no buzz, and greatly diminishing bullet.
I know country trends differently chart-wise, but this doesn't seem like a sure-fire too ten anymore.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 31, 2016 7:45:21 GMT -5
Is this going to miss the top ten? I see no momentum, no buzz, and greatly diminishing bullet. I know country trends differently chart-wise, but this doesn't seem like a sure-fire too ten anymore. It gained almost 400k AIs in today's update, and the updates have been positive pretty much all week. It just appears at the moment that the top of the chart is very jam-packed. The song is still young and still has a ways to go. I'm not worried...
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Post by jenglisbe on May 31, 2016 7:49:44 GMT -5
It's country radio and it's all political. I am sure the slow down is so the label can time its peak correctly. If I'm not mistaken, most songs slow down as they near the top 10, and then they race back up when they get near peak position. It's all manipulated by labels and programmers.
The song is top 50 at iTunes, so that's solid.
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Post by trustypepper on May 31, 2016 8:06:34 GMT -5
Both this song and "Heartbeat" were not instant for me, unlike "Smoke Break" which I loved from the beginning. However, I've grown to love both of them quite a bit. This era of singles has been a bit disappointing to me, but I think that's only because of my enormous expectations. The 4 singles from Blown Away are among my favorite country singles of all-time and it would have been nearly impossible for this era to outdo that one. And SITW and LTG have a special place in my heart as well.
I've grown to love this era in a different way.
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Post by sabre14 on May 31, 2016 13:21:46 GMT -5
Carrie's bullet is over 300..."Church Bells" gained over 3.0 million in audience on Mediabase this week. Most songs slow down (this one's gains are not moving slow, btw) before the top 10, when singles start inching their way towards the top -- there's not as many songs to leap and everyone is in heavy rotation -- perfectly normal. This one is doing absolutely fine at radio.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 31, 2016 13:41:11 GMT -5
It's country radio and it's all political. I am sure the slow down is so the label can time its peak correctly. If I'm not mistaken, most songs slow down as they near the top 10, and then they race back up when they get near peak position. It's all manipulated by labels and programmers. It's because songs have to be converted into higher rotation levels as they look to enter the Top 10, and it's routine for them to plateau a bit before they can start getting those conversions.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 5, 2016 0:19:44 GMT -5
The second verse of this song is ear candy. I love the way Carrie's voice sounds, particularly when she sings;
"Saturday night, after a few too many He came home, ready to fight And all his money could never save Jenny."
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Post by Marv on Jun 6, 2016 1:55:52 GMT -5
Carrie edged Kenny by just 29 points this week for that #9 spot.
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Post by ant on Jun 9, 2016 7:19:30 GMT -5
That CMT Music Awards performance last night though...now THAT is something that she should be doing on the Grammys.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 10, 2016 8:17:24 GMT -5
Ugh, the YouTube video of her CMT performance is classified as 'Entertainment' and not 'Music,' so those views/streams won't count toward Country Songs or the Hot 100 :(
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