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Post by vann on Jul 26, 2016 11:07:00 GMT -5
I like Brad but this song is far from one of my favorite ones from him...I am not a fan of Demi´s voice but I think she is right on this one and if I listen to this song on the radio I dont switch the radio off.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Aug 5, 2016 9:59:25 GMT -5
I never understood why radio has moved on from Brad. McGraw and Chesney are older than Brad and radio hasn't really moved on from them. Brad is 43 and Chesney and McGraw are 48 and 49 respectively. Both McGraw and Chesney were around in the early to mid 90s. Brad was 1999. PS I've never seen Brad live. I've always wanted to get to a show. Get out and see him. He isn't really flashy like FGL or as energetic as a Luke Bryan, but if you enjoy his music you will love him. He sounds top-notch, and he goes from one hit to the next. Really a great *energy* at his shows. He is also one of the cheapest mainstream shows you can get to. I've seen him twice this year and looking to go a third time possibly. I have seen Brad 4 times in the last 10 years and I have to agree GO SEE HIM, it's worth your money for sure. First, Brad has so many top 5 singles he can't even get to every one. 2nd, every song Brad sings live makes you think you are listening to the radio, he is that good live. Last, you might not be able to find better guitar solos anywhere in the world, Brad's skills on the guitar, I would argue, are 2nd to none. Brad is honestly amazing live, I think it's the main reason he is still selling out shows without a massive hit in a few years. As far as "Without A Fight" I hope this makes a comeback and can get to the top, it's a great song.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 5, 2016 12:15:34 GMT -5
This one could still make the top 10 but it's been a real struggle through the teens. Brad's only gained 700k in total MB audience the past three weeks. His last lead, "River Bank", was only at #12 at the 12 week mark on Mediabase ("Without A Fight" is at #15 on the rolling chart) but "River Bank" had over 10.0 million more in total audience. I guess I could see a long(er) climb into the top 5 but I don't predict it. National testing has been fine but I wonder what local testing in various markets say and of course, the sales haven't been particularly good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 12:44:47 GMT -5
This one could still make the top 10 but it's been a real struggle through the teens. Brad's only gained 700k in total MB audience the past three weeks. His last lead, "River Bank", was only at #12 at the 12 week mark on Mediabase ("Without A Fight" is at #15 on the rolling chart) but "River Bank" had over 10.0 million more in total audience. I guess I could see a long(er) climb into the top 5 but I don't predict it. National testing has been fine but I wonder what local testing in various markets say and of course, the sales haven't been particularly good. What is definitely intriguing to note is how the songs around Brad & Demi (Kip Moore, Zac Brown Band, and Tucker Beathatd) aren't moving all that much. So far this BB tracking week (use MB updates and translate over to BB) Kip Moore has gained 120k, Tucker Beathard has gained about 40k in audience, Brad & Demi Lovato have actually lost 360k so far and ZBB has gained the most at 470k in audience. All of these songs are just meandering around and none of them have audience numbers close yet for the top 10 (their all in the mid 20 million range in audience and the 18-20 range on BB, yet none of them seem to be making that extra step towards securing a Top 10 position on both charts.
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Post by someguy on Aug 7, 2016 3:22:08 GMT -5
I can't see this making the top 10 at this point. I guess these days labels can buy the peaks that they want, but naturally, this should be peaking about now. I would imagine they can push this into the top 15, but that will be about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 11:17:11 GMT -5
I wonder if the label has given up on this.
"Without A Fightc lost almost 500k in today's update and has now spent 2 straight consecutive weeks bulletless MB weeks.
I have this song falling down to #19 so it's looking more and more likely this song won't be acheiving anything more.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 15, 2016 11:21:17 GMT -5
Kinda surprised at how badly this one brickwalled. I always wished I'd been able to get into more than I did, namely because I love Demi Lovato and thought the prospect of them doing a duet together was awesome, but it wasn't quite the fantastic song I wanted it to be... and it's definitely having a whale of a time on the charts. A little bummed it won't even make the Top 10, but it's obviously not connecting for whatever reason, so maybe it's time to try something else.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 15, 2016 11:26:02 GMT -5
I wonder if the label has given up on this. "Without A Fightc lost almost 500k in today's update and has now spent 2 straight consecutive weeks bulletless MB weeks. I have this song falling down to #19 so it's looking more and more likely this song won't be acheiving anything more. Yeah, I just mentioned this on Twitter and I wouldn't be surprised if the label pulled "Without A Fight" this week. It's absolutely brick walked, which .indulgecountry mentioned and there's no way it does anything beyond the teens if they continued promotion for it. Radio said "no" to further conversions. This song saw no passion from programmers and listeners.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 22:13:40 GMT -5
So it's a fair bet then that the album release will be delayed. I liked the song but obviously I may have been in the minority. I actually got a bit of a Brooks & Dunn vibe from the structure and melody, but maybe it's just the homer in me.
I'm hoping Brad re-groups and re-works some stuff from the upcoming albums. Based on the rumored collabs, I really wasn't looking forward to it as much as I wished I was :(
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 15, 2016 22:46:54 GMT -5
So it's a fair bet then that the album release will be delayed. I liked the song but obviously I may have been in the minority. I actually got a bit of a Brooks & Dunn vibe from the structure and melody, but maybe it's just the homer in me. I'm hoping Brad re-groups and re-works some stuff from the upcoming albums. Based on the rumored collabs, I really wasn't looking forward to it as much as I wished I was :( You basically summed my feelings towards this song and Brad's album. In regards to the album being pushed back, yes, I'm fully expecting it to be (October was original rumored date that Jimmy Carter of All Access reported). Perhaps they settle on a late November release date but it's at least plausible they re-group and change for a Q1 release...that could be a stretch since the entire timeline would have to change. I'm expecting a new single by September once this starts to free-fall. Brad's been trying to trend for airplay but also keep his sound intact...I don't think it's working out too well. I would like him to change things up to deliver a game-changing (maye something totally different for him or get back to a more traditional sound to stand out again) single at radio (perhaps different writers, producer, etc.). I don't have an exact answer of what he definitely should do but it's evident his radio career is on the decline. I also wasn't too optimistic based on the collaborations the album was reportedly including.
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Post by robenglund on Aug 15, 2016 23:43:39 GMT -5
I liked the song but obviously I may have been in the minority. I actually got a bit of a Brooks & Dunn vibe from the structure and melody, but maybe it's just the homer in me. Count me in as liking this song. Brad's guitar work is awesome throughout the whole song and like you said I love the structure and melody. I think him and Demi sound great together and I think her backup vocals are awesome. I thought this was going to be a huge smash. Now that you mention it the structure and melody really reminds me of "Ain't Nothing 'Bout You". I'm sad it's about to free fall which means I'll never hear this on the radio ever again. I haven't heard "Noise" since it free falled either lol. I liked "Noise" a lot as well once it grew on me after a few listens.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Aug 16, 2016 1:25:02 GMT -5
Extremely sad that this one is failing. I thought it'd be much higher by now. Kind of surprised that radio didn't really warm up to this one because they usually do play songs about make up sex (for example: "Mine Would Be You" mentions make up sex).
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Post by robenglund on Aug 16, 2016 10:37:15 GMT -5
Extremely sad that this one is failing. I thought it'd be much higher by now. Kind of surprised that radio didn't really warm up to this one because they usually do play songs about make up sex (for example: "Mine Would Be You" mentions make up sex). Hard to say whether this one is currently falling. Tomorrow's rolling update will be a better indication. That's why I said "about to". I could have been a little more clear but once Arista lets go of promotion (It could have already happened) this one will drop like a rock. And the reason for radio not warming up to this song has nothing to do with the subject. It's simply because there is not a lot of passion for this song. To prove this, I'm going to mention something that stands out in the Bulleye Callout scores (even though a lot it is straight BS with "Peter Pan" having the lowest positive but the research sometimes sheds some light). "Without A Fight" has the sixth highest neutral, so the people being surveyed aren't crazy about this song. As I mentioned in my previous post this song is acting a lot like "Noise". It's a lead single by a veteran A-list artist that is stalling badly except "Without A Fight" will definitely not peak as high as "Noise". "Noise" delayed the release of Kenny's album and like others have said, I imagine "Without A Fight" will too. Brad needs to comeback with something really game changing like others have said. I think Kenny accomplished that very well with "Setting The World On Fire". As for Brad, I'm not sure what he can do. His last #1 was "Perfect Storm", so maybe he should come back with a ballad like that, "She's Everything", etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 10:43:25 GMT -5
Extremely sad that this one is failing. I thought it'd be much higher by now. Kind of surprised that radio didn't really warm up to this one because they usually do play songs about make up sex (for example: "Mine Would Be You" mentions make up sex). Hard to say whether this one is currently falling. Tomorrow's rolling update will be a better indication. That's why I said "about to". I could have been a little more clear but once Arista lets go of promotion (It could have already happened) this one will drop like a rock. And the reason for radio not warming up to this song has nothing to do with the subject. It's simply because there is not a lot of passion for this song. To prove this, I'm going to mention something that stands out in the Bulleye Callout scores (even though a lot it is straight BS with "Peter Pan" having the lowest positive but the research sometimes sheds some light). "Without A Fight" has the sixth highest neutral, so the people being surveyed aren't crazy about this song. As I mentioned in my previous post this song is acting a lot like "Noise". It's a lead single by a veteran A-list artist that is stalling badly except "Without A Fight" will definitely not peak as high as "Noise". "Noise" delayed the release of Kenny's album and like others have said, I imagine "Without A Fight" will too. Brad needs to comeback with something really game changing like others have said. I think Kenny accomplished that very well with "Setting The World On Fire". As for Brad, I'm not sure what he can do. His last #1 was "Perfect Storm", so maybe he should come back with a ballad like that, "She's Everything", etc. I agree Brad really needs to shake it up. I do really like this song but it's easy to see why it flopped the way it probably did. Tomorrow's update is crucial in seeingbif the songs that are on their last legs throw in the towel. I really hope despite me liking these songs I hope Jennifer Nettles, Drake White and Kip Moore all start freefalling tomorrow as that'd really help the charts loosen up a little bit.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 16, 2016 14:53:40 GMT -5
Makeup sex is such a vital cornerstone topic in the fabric of country music so color me shocked as well that this one wasn't huge. What a grave injustice!
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 16, 2016 16:18:12 GMT -5
Hopefully he goes back to the drawing board, comes up with a more creative sound that pushes himself as an artist beyond the safety net he has constantly reverted back to over the course of these last couple of albums, and he fires whoever did the art design for the cover art and promo clips for this song. Microsoft Paint expired in 2000.
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Post by zjames on Aug 16, 2016 19:56:25 GMT -5
I'm a little disappointed and surprised this one underperformed. While this wasn't one of my favorites from Brad, the guitar in this song is still amazing and it pains me to see his momentum dwindle. Brad's probably my favorite country superstar of the 2000s and I want to see him continue to thrive like Kenny and Tim are currently thriving, and I'm not sure what he has to do to get there.
This song seemed like a smart move on his part: duet with a big pop star, lyrically decent song, and modern production with a vintage Brad guitar solo. It's just surprising how little this is connecting with listeners. Where does he go from here? Does he try to go back to his more traditional sound from his first few albums or does he go trend-chasing and release an R&B, drum-loop-filled love song? It's gonna be so interesting to see his next move.
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Post by robenglund on Aug 17, 2016 0:01:21 GMT -5
Where does he go from here? Does he try to go back to his more traditional sound from his first few albums or does he go trend-chasing and release an R&B, drum-loop-filled love song? It's gonna be so interesting to see his next move. I honestly wouldn't mind an R&B, drum-loop-filled love song as long as it still had his signature guitar work. I think that would sound kind of cool actually. If he's going to go the traditional route he needs to release something VERY traditional in my opinion like something from the Who Needs Pictures album. Brad doesn't really play guitar on that album, so that's something different than the current Brad. So basically I think he needs to go one one extreme or other. Regardless of which route he goes it needs to be something totally different and out of left field.
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Post by someguy on Aug 17, 2016 0:14:39 GMT -5
I've never been a huge Brad fan. He's had songs here and there that I've really liked, but on the whole I could take or leave him. He really does seem at a crossroads now - does he try to do what he can to get a radio hit, or does he bank on being a 'legacy act', and make the music he wants to regardless of what it does commercially? I'll be very interested in seeing where he goes from here. I expect this coming week to be "Without A Fight"'s last one on the charts.
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Post by brinkeronline on Aug 17, 2016 7:11:19 GMT -5
This song seemed like a smart move on his part: duet with a big pop star... The problem here is that out of all ex-Disney/Nickelodeon big pop stars, Demi is the least popular. Her biggest songs, especially recently, have been the ones that have required insane amounts of promotion. And in the end, they only MIGHT go platinum, but still not crack the upper regions of the charts. I'd imagine if Brad scored a deal with Ariana or Selena, this chart run would be different.
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Post by sgtoddball on Aug 17, 2016 8:31:12 GMT -5
Just once I'd like to see Brad release an outside song he and his seagayle writers have no hand in writing. It almost happened with Neon Light. He had that song on hold and then passed on it and Blake picked it up.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 17, 2016 9:58:26 GMT -5
I'm not very surprised this stalled. I thought maybe this would squeeze into the top 10 but didn't think it deserved much better. I think this got overshadowed by "Different For Girls" and "Setting the World On Fire" and it may have done a bit better if those two songs weren't out right now as there could have been more interest to play the song with the pop star on it. However, DFG and STWOF are miles better than WAF so if one had to go, then the weaker one has definitely fallen (in my opinion).
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Post by Kentucky25 on Aug 17, 2016 12:28:58 GMT -5
I'm not very surprised this stalled. I thought maybe this would squeeze into the top 10 but didn't think it deserved much better. I think this got overshadowed by "Different For Girls" and "Setting the World On Fire" and it may have done a bit better if those two songs weren't out right now as there could have been more interest to play the song with the pop star on it. However, DFG and STWOF are miles better than WAF so if one had to go, then the weaker one has definitely fallen (in my opinion). I believe that this was just boring. Which is kind of my problem with a lot of Brad's music. It just doesn't do anything for me. I don't hate it or love it (I'll admit there are some songs that I like). I just think this song didn't do anything to garner interest. Even songs that are subpar but have something for people to get behind or against can do well on the charts because of the interest than can be created from those strong feelings. This song just never seems to hit another gear or even speed up (metaphorically of course).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 12:34:03 GMT -5
Well regardless, "Without A Fight" is done. Brad/Demi lost 58 spins today and 226k in audience. Brad Paisley will get one more week in the Top 30 before going recurrent and if I'm not mistaken Brad & Demi will go recurrent this week on MB since they had 2 straight negative weeks in a row.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Aug 18, 2016 14:56:40 GMT -5
Damn this failing makes me sad as I loved Demi on this and thought it was an inspired choice in Duet partner.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 21, 2016 16:12:39 GMT -5
Mediabase goofed up in their afternoon update today. "Without A Fight" should be gone since its now gone three straight weeks without a bullet but Brad is still there, at #24. Last week, "Without A Fight" did gain 115k in total audience but that shouldn't matter -- the song decreased in spins and was held bulletless in the finalized chart this past Sunday night (Monday PDF). This either should be sent recurrent in the evening update or they decided this song should have had a bullet last week all along (which would technically mean its eligible to stay next week as well); either way, something's not right...
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 21, 2016 20:56:35 GMT -5
Mediabase goofed up in their afternoon update today. "Without A Fight" should be gone since its now gone three straight weeks without a bullet but Brad is still there, at #24. Last week, "Without A Fight" did gain 115k in total audience but that shouldn't matter -- the song decreased in spins and was held bulletless in the finalized chart this past Sunday night (Monday PDF). This either should be sent recurrent in the evening update or they decided this song should have had a bullet last week all along (which would technically mean its eligible to stay next week as well); either way, something's not right... Yay, its gone after the evening update. lol
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