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Post by kanimal on May 3, 2016 10:33:02 GMT -5
Not sure I'm following the comparison to Bieber, but the Drake stats are impressive A) Beyonce did 115 million US streams last week, so she should have the pre-Drake record. B) Billboard says Justin Bieber did around 101 million first week. I think 77 million is just the Spotify number. hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=300865
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 3, 2016 17:42:24 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=300882Tuesday, May 3, 2016 TOP 15: VIEWS FOR MILESDrake will shatter the one-week streaming record as Views is on track for up to 250m streams in its first week. This is more than double that of Beyoncé’s Lemonade, which just set a new record last week. View’s sales will be the biggest debut for an artist not named Adele or Taylor Swift since Justin Timberlake’s 20/20 Experience debuted with 968k in March of 2013. Here’s how it looks at midweek. SALES*Drake (YMCMB/Republic) 850-900k Beyoncé (Columbia) 190-210k Prince, The Very Best Of Prince (Warner Bros.) 35-40k *Now 58 (NOW) 35-40k *Rob Zombie (UMe) 30-35k Prince, Purple Rain (Warner Bros.) 28-33k Chris Stapleton (Mercury Nashville) 24-28k Adele (XL/Columbia) 18-22k *Sixx: A.M. (Eleven Seven) 16-20k Hamilton (Uptown) 15-18k Rihanna (Westbury Road/Roc Nation) 14-18k *Martina McBride (Nash Icon) 14-18K Joey + Rory (Gaither) 12-15k The Lumineers (Dualtone) 12-15k *Empire Season 2, Vol. 2 (Columbia) 11-14k SPS*Drake (YMCMB/Republic) 1.045-1.07m Beyoncé (Columbia) 300-315k Prince, The Very Best Of Prince (Warner Bros.) 100-110k Rihanna (Westbury Road/Roc Nation) 45-50k Prince, Purple Rain (Warner Bros.) 37-42k *Now 58 (NOW) 35-40k *Rob Zombie (UMe) 34-39k Chris Stapleton (Mercury Nashville) 30-35k Justin Bieber (Def Jam) 27-31k Prince, The Hits/B-Sides (Warner Bros.) 27-31k Hamilton (Uptown) 27-30k Adele (XL/Columbia) 24-27k Kanye West (G.O.O.D./Def Jam) 24-27k Twenty One Pilots (Fueled by Ramen) 23-26k Kevin Gates (Bread Winner’s Association) 21-24k *Debuts
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Post by DJ General on May 3, 2016 18:28:48 GMT -5
So he will just quietly creep over 1 million. idc as long as he does it! Love that rihanna is still doing 50k a week. Beyonce doing great as well.
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Post by forg on May 3, 2016 21:35:06 GMT -5
The NOW series continues to do fine despite declining album sales and rise in streaming, I guess there are just a lot of collectors out there!
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Post by Future Captain on May 4, 2016 5:52:05 GMT -5
Nice hold for Beyonce! That would make it around 56-60% drop, which is very soft in this climate.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2016 8:30:45 GMT -5
Nice hold for Beyonce! That would make it around 56-60% drop, which is very soft in this climate. Her first week wasn't a full week, so surely that helps.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2016 8:47:09 GMT -5
I love how Chris Stapleton's album is holding on. I'd love to see it pass 1 million in pure sales by the end of the year. I think it has 400k to go.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 8:58:46 GMT -5
I love how Chris Stapleton's album is holding on. I'd love to see it pass 1 million in pure sales by the end of the year. I think it has 400k to go. It's currently sitting at around 1.2 million. Or do you mean just this year?
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2016 9:12:27 GMT -5
I love how Chris Stapleton's album is holding on. I'd love to see it pass 1 million in pure sales by the end of the year. I think it has 400k to go. It's currently sitting at around 1.2 million. Or do you mean just this year? Yeah, sorry, I meant for 2016 only. I think it's around 500k. It would be cool to see him join Adele, Drake, and Beyonce as 1 million sellers in 2016.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 4, 2016 14:06:34 GMT -5
The media always seemed overly obsessed with Beyonce this decade in a way that her performance on the charts has simply NOT reflected. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGxe83lXgJgLook at the way SNL tries to play up Beyonce's popularity. Despite her having a grand total of 1 top 10 his these last 6 years. Especially the completely backwards way they compare her to Rihanna, the #2 artist of the decade. That should be indication that the charts don't matter as much as people on this forum think. Also, Beyonce only had 4 days of sales with exclusive streaming on a platform that has a minuscule market share. Outside of the pop charts and the Hot 100, her chart performance has been fine. Her ability to go on sold out worldwide stadium tours seem to solidify her popularity to me a lot more than those quick, little singles would. But that wasn't the point of this post. I do think Drake could reach 1 million. 2 million is a bit unthinkable. I don't see how that equates to the charts not mattering. There are people like Kanye West whose fame and name far exceed their success on the charts, because even though people know who they are, people aren't necessarily listening to their music anymore, which is what the charts are meant to measure. I'm guessing that's probably always been the case. Now I'm not saying that's necessarily true with Beyonce. She had the greatest series of debuts EVER this week.
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Post by aser94 on May 4, 2016 15:50:47 GMT -5
The charts are only one of a number of ways to measure artist popularity nowadays. All the Hot 100 really is at core is raw consumption data, and in 2016, it's very easy for someone of Beyoncé's stature to opt out of one or more of those channels (which she has by keeping her album a Tidal exclusive and generally not giving a f**k about radio). If you choose to ignore any of those channels then obviously your Hot 100 rankings will take a hit, but it takes nothing away from your impact and your cultural relevance. That's why BB includes social media activity in their Artist 100 chart, because in the age of social media, simply being the subject of conversation in some ways matters much more.
And I wouldn't say no one is listening to Kanye when that once again boils down to him simply opting out of the Hot 100 chart race. The Life of deleted has had a messy release so that hurt it, but getting to #1 on the albums chart with a majority of points from streaming is surely a sign that people are still listening to his music.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2016 16:01:03 GMT -5
The charts are only one of a number of ways to measure artist popularity nowadays. All the Hot 100 really is at core is raw consumption data, and in 2016, it's very easy for someone of Beyoncé's stature to opt out of one or more of those channels (which she has by keeping her album a Tidal exclusive and generally not giving a f**k about radio). If you choose to ignore any of those channels then obviously your Hot 100 rankings will take a hit, but it takes nothing away from your impact and your cultural relevance. That's why BB includes social media activity in their Artist 100 chart, because in the age of social media, simply being the subject of conversation in some ways matters much more. And I wouldn't say no one is listening to Kanye when that once again boils down to him simply opting out of the Hot 100 chart race. The Life of deleted has had a messy release so that hurt it, but getting to #1 on the albums chart with a majority of points from streaming is surely a sign that people are still listening to his music. Well, it also depends on what total you think equates to people/popularity. Yes, "people" are listening to Kanye, but how many? And how many people does it take to mean someone is popular/relevant? More specifically, how many does it take to mean someone is commercially relevant? Beyonce is obviously big in culture, but for all of the attention/hype/raves she got, she sold less than 500k. When you add in streaming the total does get higher, and I appreciate/respect that she isn't making overly commercial music or using traditional methods of release, but that doesn't change that historically her sales figures are low relative to the amount of attention, performances, awards, radio play, etc she has gotten. She's never had an album come close to dominating commercially the way 21 or Baby One More Time did, let alone 1989, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, or Daydream.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 4, 2016 16:15:06 GMT -5
Chris Stapleton has to sell 432,000 to scan 1 million copies in 2016.
He has 35 weeks to do so. Chris sold 25k this week.
I was hoping Prince's The Very Best Of would scan 1 million, but I'm not so sure anymore.
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Post by aser94 on May 4, 2016 16:45:42 GMT -5
The charts are only one of a number of ways to measure artist popularity nowadays. All the Hot 100 really is at core is raw consumption data, and in 2016, it's very easy for someone of Beyoncé's stature to opt out of one or more of those channels (which she has by keeping her album a Tidal exclusive and generally not giving a f**k about radio). If you choose to ignore any of those channels then obviously your Hot 100 rankings will take a hit, but it takes nothing away from your impact and your cultural relevance. That's why BB includes social media activity in their Artist 100 chart, because in the age of social media, simply being the subject of conversation in some ways matters much more. And I wouldn't say no one is listening to Kanye when that once again boils down to him simply opting out of the Hot 100 chart race. The Life of deleted has had a messy release so that hurt it, but getting to #1 on the albums chart with a majority of points from streaming is surely a sign that people are still listening to his music. Well, it also depends on what total you think equates to people/popularity. Yes, "people" are listening to Kanye, but how many? And how many people does it take to mean someone is popular/relevant? More specifically, how many does it take to mean someone is commercially relevant? Beyonce is obviously big in culture, but for all of the attention/hype/raves she got, she sold less than 500k. When you add in streaming the total does get higher, and I appreciate/respect that she isn't making overly commercial music or using traditional methods of release, but that doesn't change that historically her sales figures are low relative to the amount of attention, performances, awards, radio play, etc she has gotten. She's never had an album come close to dominating commercially the way 21 or Baby One More Time did, let alone 1989, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, or Daydream. Well that's the thing—I think trying to put a numerical threshold on popularity in 2016 is a fool's errand because of how dicey numbers can be, and how easily they can be fudged depending on release strategy or leaks or whatever. Re: Beyoncé, I don't know how much TEA accounted for her SPS, but going by the individual track sales, the total number of people who effectively have the whole album is likely to be above 500K. She was never gonna have Adele or Taylor-level sales because that requires promoting your album to (white) middle America through every channel possible (which is basically a laughable idea with this album). And I don't know if there's any one explanation for the imbalance between Beyoncé's celebrity/her commercial success; I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that it all boils down to her and her mystique. But also, you can't have a commercially dominant album without radio behind your back, which she used to have, but she has basically traded airplay for the album as statement. Truly dominant albums in the 2010s have to have both imo.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2016 17:06:59 GMT -5
Well, it also depends on what total you think equates to people/popularity. Yes, "people" are listening to Kanye, but how many? And how many people does it take to mean someone is popular/relevant? More specifically, how many does it take to mean someone is commercially relevant? Beyonce is obviously big in culture, but for all of the attention/hype/raves she got, she sold less than 500k. When you add in streaming the total does get higher, and I appreciate/respect that she isn't making overly commercial music or using traditional methods of release, but that doesn't change that historically her sales figures are low relative to the amount of attention, performances, awards, radio play, etc she has gotten. She's never had an album come close to dominating commercially the way 21 or Baby One More Time did, let alone 1989, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, or Daydream. Well that's the thing—I think trying to put a numerical threshold on popularity in 2016 is a fool's errand because of how dicey numbers can be, and how easily they can be fudged depending on release strategy or leaks or whatever. Re: Beyoncé, I don't know how much TEA accounted for her SPS, but going by the individual track sales, the total number of people who effectively have the whole album is likely to be above 500K. She was never gonna have Adele or Taylor-level sales because that requires promoting your album to (white) middle America through every channel possible (which is basically a laughable idea with this album). And I don't know if there's any one explanation for the imbalance between Beyoncé's celebrity/her commercial success; I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that it all boils down to her and her mystique. But also, you can't have a commercially dominant album without radio behind your back, which she used to have, but she has basically traded airplay for the album as statement. Truly dominant albums in the 2010s have to have both imo. I don't really disagree with everything you wrote, but I would point out that Beyonce did have the backing of radio prior to 4, and her sales were still (relatively!) disappointing. Think of the huge singles off her debut solo album. The album sold well, but it wasn't a huge blockbuster like some I mentioned. "Single Ladies" was everywhere; it was all over radio, she performed it a bunch, it won major awards, it was used in TV shows, the video was a sensation. Despite that, it's not even among the top 30 digital sellers of all-time. As present as it was, you would have though it outsold songs like Jason Mraz's "I'm Yours," Bruno Mars' "Just the Way You Are," John Legend's "All of Me," or Katy Perry's "Hot N Cold," but it didn't. Personally I think part of what makes it seem like she's everywhere is that she's big among a specific demo or two that are big on social media. It's like how Bernie Sanders can feel like he's really contending with Hillary Clinton, yet when you look at the actual numbers she's pretty far ahead. By the way, I feel a bit similarly about Rihanna, though she's had several singles that sold huge.
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Post by aser94 on May 4, 2016 18:06:48 GMT -5
Well that's the thing—I think trying to put a numerical threshold on popularity in 2016 is a fool's errand because of how dicey numbers can be, and how easily they can be fudged depending on release strategy or leaks or whatever. Re: Beyoncé, I don't know how much TEA accounted for her SPS, but going by the individual track sales, the total number of people who effectively have the whole album is likely to be above 500K. She was never gonna have Adele or Taylor-level sales because that requires promoting your album to (white) middle America through every channel possible (which is basically a laughable idea with this album). And I don't know if there's any one explanation for the imbalance between Beyoncé's celebrity/her commercial success; I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that it all boils down to her and her mystique. But also, you can't have a commercially dominant album without radio behind your back, which she used to have, but she has basically traded airplay for the album as statement. Truly dominant albums in the 2010s have to have both imo. I don't really disagree with everything you wrote, but I would point out that Beyonce did have the backing of radio prior to 4, and her sales were still (relatively!) disappointing. Think of the huge singles off her debut solo album. The album sold well, but it wasn't a huge blockbuster like some I mentioned. "Single Ladies" was everywhere; it was all over radio, she performed it a bunch, it won major awards, it was used in TV shows, the video was a sensation. Despite that, it's not even among the top 30 digital sellers of all-time. As present as it was, you would have though it outsold songs like Jason Mraz's "I'm Yours," Bruno Mars' "Just the Way You Are," John Legend's "All of Me," or Katy Perry's "Hot N Cold," but it didn't. Personally I think part of what makes it seem like she's everywhere is that she's big among a specific demo or two that are big on social media. It's like how Bernie Sanders can feel like he's really contending with Hillary Clinton, yet when you look at the actual numbers she's pretty far ahead. By the way, I feel a bit similarly about Rihanna, though she's had several singles that sold huge. Yeah, I edited my post a bunch of times so I forgot to clarify, but I was just trying to say that her albums matter a lot more now than they did 10 years ago. That's not to say she didn't put as much thought in her albums then, but she wasn't making the conscious statements that she's been making this decade. She had the support of radio, but her focus wasn't on the album as it is today. (Maybe that's an irrelevant point because many albums sell well enough by coasting on radio singles. Idk.) But I'd also argue that her status as an icon wasn't solidified 10 years ago. Some artists are iconic only in hindsight and perhaps were relatively underappreciated during their heyday. And I totally agree with the bolded part. Social media can be a bubble and it makes it easy to forget that there are large swathes of the public over a certain age that don't know or care that Beyoncé has a new album out.
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Post by when the pawn... on May 4, 2016 18:13:18 GMT -5
Here are my 2 cents.
First of all, she was the Top Female Artist of the 2000s, according to Billboard (#4 overall). Destiny's Child was the #9 on the overall list. Combine the chart points (fair or not) and she may be #1 on the overall list. If not, at least #2 or #3. Not bad for an artist whose general fame outpaces her chart success.
Furthermore, Beyonce was the #2 album of 2014 on Billboard, second only to an out-of-nowhere Disney soundtrack phenomenon. Lemonade will likely be in the Top 5 this year, with Adele, Bieber, Stapleton and Drake. 4 sold 1.5 million on the back of zero pop radio support - also not bad for her biggest commercial disappointment in 15 years.
This kind of long-term continued success puts her in a league of very few - Taylor Swift and Adele are her only contemporaries that clearly blow her out of the water in terms of chart success (some have stronger single success, some with better album sales but few/none with sustained presence at the top of the overall list). The reason that Beyonce gets a different kind of attention than even them (does she though?) is because her output is better and more exciting, point blank. Music is subjective but the critics have spoken. Loudly. Beyonce and Lemonade have been recieved as pop near-masterpieces, not to mention 4, "Single Ladies" and "Crazy in Love." She is a better performer than they are and, at least this decade, has released better music than they have. Again, not trying to make that a statement of fact, but it is how I see the general public's reception/reaction to these superstars (it also reflects my opinion, FWIW).
Maybe this would be better for Beyonce's thread, whoops.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 4, 2016 20:53:47 GMT -5
I think Kanye West really helped Beyonce take it to another level artistically. He really helped show that hip-hop/urban music could have a lot more breadth and depth both musically and lyrically. He's also another artist that feels bigger than his sales would indicate, though his influence on music is deep.
I do agree Beyonce has taken her artistic game up a level the last few albums, but my issue is it has been at the sake of melody. She was never the strongest artist melodically, but now almost all of her songs are void of melody. I'm also not a fan of choruses that just repeat a word or a phrase, and a lot of hers are a repeated line. That bores me.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on May 4, 2016 21:13:51 GMT -5
So will Drake immediately become the second artist to ever have 6 consecutive #1 debut albums? A couple of points here: 1. The record is most consecutive albums to debut at #1 *starting with your debut album*. Without that last part, Beyoncé actually shares the record with Eminem, Kanye West, and Dave Matthews Band. 2. It depends on which of Drake's releases you consider albums. If all of his *full-length releases* count, then yes, Drake ties Beyoncé's record. If all of his *Billboard 200 chart entries* count, then, no, Drake was never eligible because of So Far Gone (EP). If all of his *regular studio albums* count, then this will be his 4th in the streak, as the two mixtapes don't count. EDIT: Billboard definitely won't consider "So Far Gone" to be an issue here, since they didn't consider Beyoncé's "Self-Titled: More Only" EP (which missed #1, obviously) part of her streak.
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Post by Enigma. on May 5, 2016 2:02:32 GMT -5
Everybody has EP's charting low these days so I think it's fair that they don't count. But that Beyoncé record is pretty much made up in sense that there are other artists who have 6 albums debuting at #1 in a row. I don't think it really matters if those 6 are from the debut on or not.
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Post by Push The Button on May 5, 2016 4:50:45 GMT -5
The charts are only one of a number of ways to measure artist popularity nowadays. All the Hot 100 really is at core is raw consumption data, and in 2016, it's very easy for someone of Beyoncé's stature to opt out of one or more of those channels (which she has by keeping her album a Tidal exclusive and generally not giving a f**k about radio). If you choose to ignore any of those channels then obviously your Hot 100 rankings will take a hit, but it takes nothing away from your impact and your cultural relevance. That's why BB includes social media activity in their Artist 100 chart, because in the age of social media, simply being the subject of conversation in some ways matters much more. And I wouldn't say no one is listening to Kanye when that once again boils down to him simply opting out of the Hot 100 chart race. The Life of deleted has had a messy release so that hurt it, but getting to #1 on the albums chart with a majority of points from streaming is surely a sign that people are still listening to his music. Well, it also depends on what total you think equates to people/popularity. Yes, "people" are listening to Kanye, but how many? And how many people does it take to mean someone is popular/relevant? More specifically, how many does it take to mean someone is commercially relevant? Beyonce is obviously big in culture, but for all of the attention/hype/raves she got, she sold less than 500k. When you add in streaming the total does get higher, and I appreciate/respect that she isn't making overly commercial music or using traditional methods of release, but that doesn't change that historically her sales figures are low relative to the amount of attention, performances, awards, radio play, etc she has gotten. She's never had an album come close to dominating commercially the way 21 or Baby One More Time did, let alone 1989, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, or Daydream. Neither has Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Barbra Streisand, or many other legendary women in music. I don't understand the point. Are they less popular or influential because of it?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:19:44 GMT -5
Can we not argue about how big Beyonce is and just admit she's huge right now?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:26:32 GMT -5
Well, it also depends on what total you think equates to people/popularity. Yes, "people" are listening to Kanye, but how many? And how many people does it take to mean someone is popular/relevant? More specifically, how many does it take to mean someone is commercially relevant? Beyonce is obviously big in culture, but for all of the attention/hype/raves she got, she sold less than 500k. When you add in streaming the total does get higher, and I appreciate/respect that she isn't making overly commercial music or using traditional methods of release, but that doesn't change that historically her sales figures are low relative to the amount of attention, performances, awards, radio play, etc she has gotten. She's never had an album come close to dominating commercially the way 21 or Baby One More Time did, let alone 1989, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, or Daydream. Neither has Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Barbra Streisand, or many other legendary women in music. I don't understand the point. Are they less popular or influential because of it? Agreed. And selling about 500k without a full-on hit single - especially in this day and age - is huge. And 4 or 5x as much as most established artists hope for first week sales these days, including Britney, Mariah and Lauryn. These comparisons are lost on me.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 5, 2016 14:47:45 GMT -5
Neither has Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Barbra Streisand, or many other legendary women in music. I don't understand the point. Are they less popular or influential because of it? Agreed. And selling about 500k without a full-on hit single - especially in this day and age - is huge. And 4 or 5x as much as most established artists hope for first week sales these days, including Britney, Mariah and Lauryn. These comparisons are lost on me. I wasn't comparing them now, I was talking about them in the prime. I am saying Beyonce has never had an album impact commercially on the level of albums by those females. What does that have to do with what they can sell now?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 15:13:58 GMT -5
Agreed. And selling about 500k without a full-on hit single - especially in this day and age - is huge. And 4 or 5x as much as most established artists hope for first week sales these days, including Britney, Mariah and Lauryn. These comparisons are lost on me. I wasn't comparing them now, I was talking about them in the prime. I am saying Beyonce has never had an album impact commercially on the level of albums by those females. What does that have to do with what they can sell now? I don't know. It's all about context - and I think your point got lost by you mentioning her "less than 500k" sales debut of this album despite "all the hype" in the same short paragraph that you were comparing her to all these other artists in their prime. I think her lack of a commercially massive juggernaut album might be an interesting observation on its own, but utlimately it doesn't really mean much considering all of legendary and hugely influential artists in the same boat. It's like an artist having 50 top 10 hits but never getting a #1. Seems trivial. Fun to mention, but comparing that ONE THING to others is where it gets lost on me. Again, it's all about context. For me, not having one massive album is nothing compared to having an album sell very well and make a big impact in culture with very little radio support, relatively speaking. That's quite an achievement. She's doing so well after 15+ years... her popularity seems to grow as her artistry increases (and her commercial accessibility decreases, imo). It'll be interesting to see how this era progresses.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 5, 2016 15:22:22 GMT -5
She's doing so well after 15+ years... her popularity seems to grow as her artistry increases (and her commercial accessibility decreases, imo). It'll be interesting to see how this era progresses. I guess my point is that it depends how you define "popularity," but this discussion has gone on long enough ;)
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 6, 2016 7:32:36 GMT -5
Drake's album looks like it will fall short of 1m albums sold- so no joining that elusive club. Not that the sales total isn't phenomenal, nonetheless.
I guess the Google Play sale titles will appear on the final list (if any sold enough to feature, of course).
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Post by DJ General on May 6, 2016 10:18:16 GMT -5
Wait what?!? :(
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 6, 2016 10:25:08 GMT -5
^Titles that were 99 cents at Google Play during the tracking period. Some of those titles were Ed Sheeren's +, Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill, Madonna's Like a Virgin, etc.
If RE Drake comments- his 1m+ multri-metric total would not be included in the albums-to-sell-1m-in-a-week list.
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Post by DJ General on May 6, 2016 11:10:48 GMT -5
Yeah it was for Drake. That's really sad. He always seems to get screwed lol. But either way it will have a big second week. He should have put the physical out and I would have bought then but I bought today.
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