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Post by myeverything on Nov 8, 2016 10:33:59 GMT -5
Wanted to thank y'all for the explanations. It's definitely easier to see why things are the way they are now. It may not always be right, but it is what it is.. sigh. You think politics in Washington, D.C. are something. They're nothing compared to what's going on in Nashville. The great thing about Keith Urban (I think he's your favorite-I'm not sure) is that he DOESN'T play the game. He records great songs and releases even better singles. He plays to mostly sold out crowds. If he gets awards, that is just the cherry on top. I have yet to hear him complain about NOT receiving any awards. That is what makes me respect him even more. HAHAHA, geee... what everrrrr would make you think that Keith's MY fave?!! And yes, soooo well said though. He says it's still such an honor to even be nominated.... Literally couldn't have said it any better myself!!
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 8, 2016 16:40:16 GMT -5
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Post by matty005 on Nov 9, 2016 12:29:01 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, Alan, grow the fuck up. It's an awards show, and if you actually watched performance you would see it had many country elements and was more country than a lot of performances of years past. I love his music, but be an adult. Sit through a 5 minute performance you may not love. It's not that hard.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 9, 2016 14:06:13 GMT -5
Wow, that's fucked up. I've never been a big Alan Jackson fan by any means, but I definitely just lost quite a bit of respect for him.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 9, 2016 16:59:03 GMT -5
Coming from the guy who has Lauren Alaina opening for him on tour? He can screw right off.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 9, 2016 19:13:27 GMT -5
Seeing since we are a week removed from the C.M.A. Awards, I think now is a good time to lock this thread. See you all next year. Thanks!
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 9, 2016 19:41:23 GMT -5
Seeing since we are a week removed from the C.M.A. Awards, I think now is a good time to lock this thread. See you all next year. Thanks! When the actual hell did you ever become a mod? You have no authority, no power, no influence, and no pull around here. The thread will likely stay open. Is there relevance left to this year's CMAs? Absolutely. There's now an ongoing discussion of racism in the country music industry, the backlash from Beyoncé's presence at the show, and the awful PR tactics that the Association adopted to respond to accusations that they removed Beyoncé-related material from their website after the volume of criticisms heightened. I truly, honestly beg of staff to put you in your damn place because your power trips are fucking obnoxious. Please don't come back into this thread and instead allow others to carry relevant conversation in here. Hopefully see you fucking never. Thanks!
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 9, 2016 19:59:37 GMT -5
Seeing since we are a week removed from the C.M.A. Awards, I think now is a good time to lock this thread. See you all next year. Thanks! For curiosity reasons why do u want this locked?
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Post by tim on Nov 9, 2016 23:36:54 GMT -5
Well, on a lighter note...
I saw Mary Chapin Carpenter this past Friday here in Austin (she was absolutely fantastic btw!) and she happened to share a little story from her experience at the 50th CMA Awards; she was talking about how she doesn't normally drink but considering the momentous occasion decided she'd allow herself a couple gin and tonic's...anyways while sitting during a commercial break she decided it was a good time to head to the restroom before quickly heading back to her seat; this quick trip ended up taking longer than expected because of (no surprise here) the long line for the ladies restroom and also running into Beyonce and talking about this and that with her...anyways at some point during this bathroom break she hears Carrie Underwood introducing previous Female Vocalist of the Year winners (including Gretchen Wilson, Pam Tillis, Janie Frickie, Crystal Gayle, and Tanya Tucker) and realizes she was supposed to be sitting down for this moment so she could also get introduced and completely missed it!
Anyways it was a funny little story she shared, but in the end she mentioned getting to chat with Beyonce was well worth missing her little moment on television lol.
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Post by myeverything on Nov 10, 2016 10:28:37 GMT -5
Yikes. I can't say I know why this thread should be locked either... I think something as important/influential as the CMA Awards should always be open for (mature) discussion.
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Post by phil1996 on Nov 10, 2016 12:39:14 GMT -5
That's his right to walk out. He doesn't want to see a pop star play on a country stage while legitimate country artists like Sturgill, Kip, Easton Corbin, Jamey Johnson, Gary Allan are totally ignored. That's his opinion. He's allowed to have it. It's okay to not agree with things people say or do.
I'm not a fan of FGL. I'm also not going to call out their fans for liking them, because thats their opinion. Something they're allowed to have.
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Post by matty005 on Nov 10, 2016 14:03:50 GMT -5
That's his right to walk out. He doesn't want to see a pop star play on a country stage while legitimate country artists like Sturgill, Kip, Easton Corbin, Jamey Johnson, Gary Allan are totally ignored. That's his opinion. He's allowed to have it. It's okay to not agree with things people say or do. I'm not a fan of FGL. I'm also not going to call out their fans for liking them, because thats their opinion. Something they're allowed to have. No one is saying he can't dislike them, Phil. Just like, I can go to a party and the minute someone I don't like comes in, I can leave. I have that right. It's also very childish and for someone who has been in the music business for almost 30 years, should be a bigger person.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 10, 2016 14:07:57 GMT -5
That's his right to walk out. He doesn't want to see a pop star play on a country stage while legitimate country artists like Sturgill, Kip, Easton Corbin, Jamey Johnson, Gary Allan are totally ignored. That's his opinion. He's allowed to have it. It's okay to not agree with things people say or do. I'm not a fan of FGL. I'm also not going to call out their fans for liking them, because thats their opinion. Something they're allowed to have. No one is saying he can't dislike them, Phil. Just like, I can go to a party and the minute someone I don't like comes in, I can leave. I have that right. It's also very childish and for someone who has been in the music business for almost 30 years, should be a bigger person. But you just contradicted yourself. Why is it okay for you to leave this hypothetical party, but not okay for Alan? Like, I get what you're saying here, but if Alan is expected to act one way, I would also expect you to hold yourself to the same standards when it comes to being the bigger person.
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Post by sgtoddball on Nov 10, 2016 14:17:16 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing narrow minded, butthurt, folks do. He's just clamoring for attention and isn't able to cope with not being top dog anymore. Rant Over
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Post by matty005 on Nov 10, 2016 14:45:14 GMT -5
No one is saying he can't dislike them, Phil. Just like, I can go to a party and the minute someone I don't like comes in, I can leave. I have that right. It's also very childish and for someone who has been in the music business for almost 30 years, should be a bigger person. But you just contradicted yourself. Why is it okay for you to leave this hypothetical party, but not okay for Alan? Like, I get what you're saying here, but if Alan is expected to act one way, I would also expect you to hold yourself to the same standards when it comes to being the bigger person. You misread it (or I wasn't clear enough). In both situations we have the right. In both situations it's childish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 15:26:02 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing narrow minded, butthurt, folks do. He's just clamoring for attention and isn't able to cope with not being top dog anymore. Rant Over How is he clamoring for attention though? He didn't tweet about it, didn't put anything on Facebook, didn't do any interviews or anything. He simply got up and left quietly. Now here we are, more than a week removed from the show, and one tiny little media outlet is finally talking about it. No one else has said anything. Alan isn't the attention-seeking kind. Maybe he's just not a fan? And maybe, because he's probably not a fan, he decided to use that time to go to the bathroom or something? I don't think it's a big deal at all. Right now, it's all just speculation. Alan has made some comments before that he doesn't like the direction that the country genre is headed in, but that's hardly a surprise -- dozens of artists will say things like that at some point in their career. But we don't know for sure that that's why he got up and left. All we have is one artist manager's vague comments on it. And anyway, I suspect that, if Alan had gotten up and walked out during Luke Bryan's "Move", many of us here (myself included) would have found that pretty hilarious. I just don't really think this is a big deal at all, nor do I think he was childish for getting up. Seeing since we are a week removed from the C.M.A. Awards, I think now is a good time to lock this thread. See you all next year. Thanks! A staff member will decide when/if this thread should be locked. Thanks in advance for understanding.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 10, 2016 15:55:22 GMT -5
Yeah it's childish, and it shows disrespect, and it takes it out on the wrong person/people. It's ok to not want pop artists at a country awards show, but his anger should've been at the CMA people for inviting her. Instead he disrespected Beyonce by walking out on her performance.
It's like if your friend throws a party and invites you, and also invites your Ex. And then when your Ex walks in you go and yell at your Ex. Your taking your anger out on the wrong person (& in the wrong way). Civility and respect are things we try to teach kids for a reason. It has nothing to do with not being allowed to have an opinion.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Nov 10, 2016 16:20:00 GMT -5
We literally know nothing about what happened here other than Alan left during the Dixie Chicks/Beyoncé performance. Maybe he had to go to the bathroom. Maybe he had to blow his nose. Maybe he got a text from a family member that required him to excuse himself to check on something. Maybe he was upset about the Dixie Chicks performing and is actually a huge Beyoncé fan. We don't know what the situation is, so I don't think we can assume Alan was being childish and ran backstage to pout because the CMAs let a pop star perform.
I understand this looks sketchy due to the backlash that Beyoncé received from her performance, but Alan hasn't said anything about this situation (unlike Travis Tritt), so I'm failing to see why everyone is just automatically assuming he's a terrible person for not watching the performance. As someone who has worked at the CMA Awards in the past, many artists will go and hangout backstage during the show, and the later on in the evening it gets, people just don't go back to their seats at all if they aren't involved in the remainder of the show. They just chat with people backstage. So it's not uncommon at all for artists to leave their seats during the show. Maybe Alan got up because he wanted to give a seat filler the opportunity to watch Beyoncé from the front row, in which I'd salute him for being so selfless. At this point we don't know what triggered his absence and it's not fair to speculate the reasoning behind his decision to do so.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 10, 2016 16:23:36 GMT -5
Why did people even pay attention to whether he was in his seat during Beyonce's performance though? Lol
I agree with jhomes43 here. If it's FGL and Luke Bryan, I'd most likely walk out simply because I don't even enjoy their music, why not go for a toilet break or take a short break from being "on camera" (as audience)?
Idk, maybe some feel that because she's a special guest from outside the country family, more respect needs to be given to her performance? I get where that's coming from as well.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 10, 2016 16:40:31 GMT -5
We literally know nothing about what happened here other than Alan left during the Dixie Chicks/Beyoncé performance. Maybe he had to go to the bathroom. Maybe he had to blow his nose. Maybe he got a text from a family member that required him to excuse himself to check on something. Maybe he was upset about the Dixie Chicks performing and is actually a huge Beyoncé fan. We don't know what the situation is, so I don't think we can assume Alan was being childish and ran backstage to pout because the CMAs let a pop star perform. I understand this looks sketchy due to the backlash that Beyoncé received from her performance, but Alan hasn't said anything about this situation (unlike Travis Tritt), so I'm failing to see why everyone is just automatically assuming he's a terrible person for not watching the performance. As someone who has worked at the CMA Awards in the past, many artists will go and hangout backstage during the show, and the later on in the evening it gets, people just don't go back to their seats at all if they aren't involved in the remainder of the show. They just chat with people backstage. So it's not uncommon at all for artists to leave their seats during the show. Maybe Alan got up because he wanted to give a seat filler the opportunity to watch Beyoncé from the front row, in which I'd salute him for being so selfless. At this point we don't know what triggered his absence and it's not fair to speculate the reasoning behind his decision to do so. This is fair, I assumed from the way that Trigger wrote the post that the person/people knew Alan was protesting Beyonce, and left in such a way as to make that obvious. If he left before the performance to go to the bathroom, well ok then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 16:54:28 GMT -5
Wow everyone's so testy! Gawsh. While I was also questioning why buffalo posted something and then a day later decided it was time to close the thread when someone else posted, let's not be assholes to each other. That's not necessary.
In regards to Alan...who the hell cares? Maybe he had to drop some logs. Maybe he had severe heartburn from some bad lutefisk. Maybe he hates Beyonce.
My honest guess is that (like me) he doesn't see the need for the CMA to continue to bring these pop stars to the country shows for the sole purpose of appealing to folks who really don't give two shits about country music in the first place.
I personally thought that one performance was one of the best of the night, if not THE best in my eyes. That being said, is it really necessary to have that one (or two) token pop star come to the country award shows each year?
If country stopped focusing on what could help it appeal to more people and focused more on what is already appealing about it, it'd be a lot better folks.
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Post by sgtoddball on Nov 11, 2016 9:01:21 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing narrow minded, butthurt, folks do. He's just clamoring for attention and isn't able to cope with not being top dog anymore. Rant Over How is he clamoring for attention though? He didn't tweet about it, didn't put anything on Facebook, didn't do any interviews or anything. He simply got up and left quietly. Now here we are, more than a week removed from the show, and one tiny little media outlet is finally talking about it. No one else has said anything. Alan isn't the attention-seeking kind. Maybe he's just not a fan? And maybe, because he's probably not a fan, he decided to use that time to go to the bathroom or something? I don't think it's a big deal at all. Right now, it's all just speculation. Alan has made some comments before that he doesn't like the direction that the country genre is headed in, but that's hardly a surprise -- dozens of artists will say things like that at some point in their career. But we don't know for sure that that's why he got up and left. All we have is one artist manager's vague comments on it. And anyway, I suspect that, if Alan had gotten up and walked out during Luke Bryan's "Move", many of us here (myself included) would have found that pretty hilarious. I just don't really think this is a big deal at all, nor do I think he was childish for getting up. Seeing since we are a week removed from the C.M.A. Awards, I think now is a good time to lock this thread. See you all next year. Thanks! A staff member will decide when/if this thread should be locked. Thanks in advance for understanding. It's just my opinion nothing more. I was there, I saw him, other people saw him. Just because it took a week for someone to expose it doesn't change my opinion. I would still feel the same way no matter if it was a Luke Bryan or FGL performance. Alan has some pretty cheesy/goofy songs in his catalog as well. If you have been around long enough you are bound to have songs that people criticize and think are embarrassments to the genre.
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Post by myeverything on Nov 11, 2016 10:42:13 GMT -5
I think some of y'all are slightly overreacting about this, but just my two cents.
How about that Maren Morris performance though?
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Post by seak05 on Nov 11, 2016 11:57:13 GMT -5
I think some of y'all are slightly overreacting about this, but just my two cents. How about that Maren Morris performance though? You ever see a birdbath? Toss one stone in it, not a big deal, why say anything about it? But everyone comes by and tosses in one stone, and all of a sudden you have no more bath. Each individual act isn't a big deal, but they combine to have big consequences. So you speak up about the small actions. It is ok, healthy even, to have music preferences...I prefer x music to y music and really don't like z music. But you still have to respect the people who practice, perform, and like the other forms of music. In country music we are to often dismissive of pop music in ways that aren't respectful to the people who like it/practitioners (& same for Rap, R&B etc). It leads to feelings like you don't not just like the music, but you also don't like/respect the people who make the music, the culture etc. (and ftr yes I'd say the same thing in reverse, but this isn't a pop music forum so... ). Small actions, big consequences. And yes Maren's performance was great, my favorite of hers.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 11, 2016 12:23:21 GMT -5
(side note: I don't think anyone is saying he should be tarred and feathered, banned from all future country shows, boycotted etc...just pointing out that if he did indeed walk out on the Beyonce/Chicks performance in protest, that was a disrespectful action)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 18:00:49 GMT -5
I think some of y'all are slightly overreacting about this, but just my two cents. How about that Maren Morris performance though? You ever see a birdbath? Toss one stone in it, not a big deal, why say anything about it? But everyone comes by and tosses in one stone, and all of a sudden you have no more bath. Each individual act isn't a big deal, but they combine to have big consequences. So you speak up about the small actions. It is ok, healthy even, to have music preferences...I prefer x music to y music and really don't like z music. But you still have to respect the people who practice, perform, and like the other forms of music. In country music we are to often dismissive of pop music in ways that aren't respectful to the people who like it/practitioners (& same for Rap, R&B etc). It leads to feelings like you don't not just like the music, but you also don't like/respect the people who make the music, the culture etc. (and ftr yes I'd say the same thing in reverse, but this isn't a pop music forum so... ). Small actions, big consequences. And yes Maren's performance was great, my favorite of hers. He walked out on a performance he disagreed with, he didn't assassinate Archduke Franz Ferdinand. He's getting a lot of crap for nothing. He has the right, and he exercised it, let him go.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 1, 2016 16:10:24 GMT -5
I went ahead and "unstickied" this thread, considering we're now a month removed from the show.
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