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Post by theflying on Oct 24, 2017 17:35:26 GMT -5
Do they think they're gonna get away with radio playing two songs at the same time? Because that just worked out so swimmingly for LWYMMD/RFI. :sip2: Either that or they're trying to replicate Justin's 'Purpose' era which had three #1 hits in like half a year. Either way, if you have to go to these lengths to make it happen? It ain't gonna happen. Uhhh, of course it worked for LWYMMD and RFI. What are you :sip2:ing, exactly?
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Post by justlurkingaround on Oct 24, 2017 17:36:33 GMT -5
My phases with this song:
- Initially: Ugh.
- Now: Why us people born in 1989 are allowed to have playful crushes, a dissertation into Gorgeous.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 24, 2017 18:16:07 GMT -5
Do they think they're gonna get away with radio playing two songs at the same time? Because that just worked out so swimmingly for LWYMMD/RFI. :sip2: Either that or they're trying to replicate Justin's 'Purpose' era which had three #1 hits in like half a year. Either way, if you have to go to these lengths to make it happen? It ain't gonna happen. Uhhh, of course it worked for LWYMMD and RFI. What are you :sip2:ing, exactly? I mean I don't know why I'm bothering because you (still) wouldn't get it but: RFI cannibalized LWYMMD, which was about to die after a month. Cue the steroids, and oh look! #1 pop smash~ Oh, but now it's just posted the biggest single-week loss in history. That's not two songs doing well at the same time, it's a parasitic relationship. And immediately after that strategy did not work out so well, her team is apparently looking to do the exact same thing again. It already didn't work, now they apparently just want to destabilize things further. And we're still 3 weeks out from the album. TL;DR: STICK TO ONE SONG AT A TIME FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 18:35:31 GMT -5
Okay, does Taylor's team have any idea of what they're doing? They seem to just be throwing whatever they can at the radio to see what sticks.
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Post by theflying on Oct 24, 2017 20:04:15 GMT -5
How can someone follow the charts for years and literally not get it?
LWYMMD CANNIBALIZED ITSELF. THE PUBLIC DIDNT LOVE IT. It didn't HATE it, but it didn't love it.
RFI was not the reason for massive drops in that song. The logic is just so bizarre.
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Post by irice22 on Oct 24, 2017 20:08:18 GMT -5
There can be multiple reasons for the huge drops. The logic just isn't bizarre.
If you followed the charts for years you'd see the many artists don't release the same song to the same format at the same time. There's a reason for that.
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Post by deepston on Oct 24, 2017 20:11:16 GMT -5
Look is tumbling hard because of a combination of two factors: 1. GP didn't like it, radios didn't like it, only got high because it had Taylor's name on it 2. RFI was on the same format and radios prefer to play it as it is a much safer song.
Saying RFI didn't play a considerable role in this song downfall is false but it wasn't the only factor for sure.
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Post by irice22 on Oct 24, 2017 20:12:32 GMT -5
Look is tumbling hard because of a combination of two factors: 1. GP didn't like it, radios didn't like it, only got high because it had Taylor's name on it 2. RFI was on the same format and radios prefer to play it as it is a much safer song. Saying RFI didn't play a considerable role in this song downfall is false but it wasn't the only factor for sure. Precisely!
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Post by theflying on Oct 24, 2017 21:08:13 GMT -5
I think it's simpler than that: radio plays songs its listeners want. Taylor is huge and radio played her songs a ton.
I don't understand the logic that radio would have played a song THAT WENT NUMBER ONE, that the public didn't like even MORE, because of RFI.
It's the weirdest, most archaic thing to keep harping on.
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Post by irice22 on Oct 24, 2017 21:20:34 GMT -5
Most stations don't want to throw two songs by the same artist into power rotation. Granted, sometimes it happens but it's not common.
Some stations responded better to "Ready For It," and it reduced the amount of spins they would otherwise give to "Look What You Made Me Do." It's not archaic, it's not weird, and it's not bizarre. It's the reason singles are released one at a time and it hasn't changed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 21:26:20 GMT -5
At least both #beautiful and Beautiful sounded pretty! This sounds so unpretty! Delete it ma, you're cancelled. I don't want this.
Seriously speaking I prefer her to go back to her basic but catchy pop. Stay in your lane. You are not Fergie or MIA or Kesha. You ain't got a fun bone in your body! She just wanted a dance song to dance front row of at the Grammy Awards but at this rate honey the Grammy folks ain't calling you. This is a sad day for her fans.
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Post by leonagwen on Oct 24, 2017 21:43:25 GMT -5
How can someone follow the charts for years and literally not get it? LWYMMD CANNIBALIZED ITSELF. THE PUBLIC DIDNT LOVE IT. It didn't HATE it, but it didn't love it. RFI was not the reason for massive drops in that song. The logic is just so bizarre. Radio wants to be playing Taylor, because she's the it girl right now. To some extent, they don't care what the song is, they just want to play whatever her lead single is. But the fact that she released a second song means that stations don't have to force themselves to play the lead single if they don't like it, they can just play the promo single instead. Now, is that good or bad for the era? That's a different debate. But the fact that RFI helped kill LWYMMD is a fact. It would still be falling without RFI, but slower. Do you not agree that literally anything Taylor releases would have gotten at least 5000 weekly hype spins for months? The fact that she released a promo single on week 2 meant that these hype spins were split between the two songs. Beiber did ok when Love Yourself and Sorry were getting heavy airplay at the same time.In fact What do you mean was getting good airplay at the same time too.I think Taylor has 2 songs out at the same time as a back up plan in case one song fails.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 24, 2017 21:46:27 GMT -5
How can someone follow the charts for years and literally not get it? LWYMMD CANNIBALIZED ITSELF. THE PUBLIC DIDNT LOVE IT. It didn't HATE it, but it didn't love it. RFI was not the reason for massive drops in that song. The logic is just so bizarre. I don't get why you're being so defensive? The RFI situation was an anomaly as was LWWYMD doing as well as it did out of the box because Taylor had HYPE going into this era. Looking at it now, there are signs of struggling and the release schedule itself seems out of character. I'm not a h8or to point that out. But as someone who has been following charts for over 20 years, I can see that. Not really sure why you have to argue against every post made that suggests things don't look as smooth as we'd expect coming from an artist who had one of the most flawless eras in modern pop music history. It's cool to have a discussion but for real, just relax.
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Post by theflying on Oct 24, 2017 21:55:24 GMT -5
Some stations responded better to "Ready For It," and it reduced the amount of spins they would otherwise give to "Look What You Made Me Do." It's not archaic, it's not weird, and it's not bizarre. It's also not true. LWYMMD cannibalized spins for RFI, because LWYMMD was the single. It's not the *reverse*. I'm not "defensive". I'm being accurate. Saying LWYMMD didn't reach its peak because of RFI is being deliberately obtuse. It says that one of the most massive artists on the format had a single underperform because people in this thread know better than people who's job it is to work these to radio for a living, and that the Radio Bible says one song at a time. You were literally JUST proven wrong. Taylor had a #1 song and a top 20 song at the same time. So it was JUST DONE and you STILL have people acting like it can't be done. It's tired, it clings on to archaic thing, and it's not true. It's like, out of all the hills to die on about the situation -- the lack of press, the quality of the song, the public' response, its chart run -- the hill to die on is that *there was a second song radio was free to do what they wanted with*?
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Post by irice22 on Oct 24, 2017 22:14:58 GMT -5
It's pretty clear there was interference to push LWYMMD to #1 inorganically. This probably wouldn't have been needed if they'd just waited.
"Ready For It" also would have had a much bigger impact if they just waited. I'm not saying only song was hurt in this mess.
I just don't think releasing these two songs close together was a good idea, and both songs would have had a much bigger impact if they released them further apart. I think the points I've made are well-reasoned and sound, and you have every right to disagree. But that does not make you accurate or correct.
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Post by irice22 on Oct 24, 2017 22:23:02 GMT -5
Anyway, I'll go back to talking about "Gorgeous." Good call on whoever mentioned this is reminiscent of "On My Mind." Especially in the verses.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 24, 2017 23:05:02 GMT -5
Actually it seems they wanted to push Gorgeous, but besides the group of stans that saw it as the best thing since sliced bread, most other people felt disappointed. So instead of continuing to push it (like in Spotify), the label reacted and went full force with RFI as it was a safer bet. In any case, yes, this is messy. Especially sensing that the label thought this bland s**t was going to be the perfect second single That doesn't explain why they filmed the video for RFI though. Unless they plan to release a ton of music videos from this album. Who says the snippet from that video couldn't have been intended for Gorgeous? I don't see Taylor mouthing any of the lyrics for RFI in that clip.
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Post by Bwol on Oct 24, 2017 23:12:30 GMT -5
That doesn't explain why they filmed the video for RFI though. Unless they plan to release a ton of music videos from this album. Who says the snippet from that video couldn't have been intended for Gorgeous? I don't see Taylor mouthing any of the lyrics for RFI in that clip. ...can YOU picture gorgeous for that type of music video? 😂
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 24, 2017 23:18:17 GMT -5
Who says the snippet from that video couldn't have been intended for Gorgeous? I don't see Taylor mouthing any of the lyrics for RFI in that clip. ...can YOU picture gorgeous for that type of music video? 😂 If you put it on mute it could EASILY be the video for LWYMMD.
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Post by Ty on Oct 25, 2017 1:32:55 GMT -5
I'm fine with Julia and Jack Antonoff. The albums they did for Lorde and Gwen are fire.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 25, 2017 1:42:26 GMT -5
Do they think they're gonna get away with radio playing two songs at the same time? Because that just worked out so swimmingly for LWYMMD/RFI. :sip2: Either that or they're trying to replicate Justin's 'Purpose' era which had three #1 hits in like half a year. Either way, if you have to go to these lengths to make it happen? It ain't gonna happen. Interesting observation. Purpose era was burned out so fast... Company didn't do much and then he moved on to guest starring. TS has now the three singles BEFORE album has even come out so doesn't bode well for the longevity. Even streaming monsters such as Drake, Bruno Mars and Kendrick Lamar have struggled to get several hits from their recent albums. Ed Sheeran did wisely to spare the third single for Q4.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 25, 2017 2:05:59 GMT -5
The thing with 'Purpose' though, if I remember correctly, the third single was kinda taken out of their hands; because 'Sorry' was still on its way up when the album dropped, and then radio/fans just latched onto 'Love Yourself' and the hype kinda forced LY to piggyback off 'Sorry' and climb without prompting. It was a lot more organic than here, where it's more like 'here's the active single we want you to boost, oh but here have this other song too' like they're expecting that both songs are going to take off and be huge.
I just don't understand why they're giving radio the go ahead to play 'Gorgeous' when they only JUST gave RFI a widespread radio push.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 3:00:49 GMT -5
Do they think they're gonna get away with radio playing two songs at the same time? Because that just worked out so swimmingly for LWYMMD/RFI. Either that or they're trying to replicate Justin's 'Purpose' era which had three #1 hits in like half a year. Either way, if you have to go to these lengths to make it happen? It ain't gonna happen. Interesting observation. Purpose era was burned out so fast... Company didn't do much and then he moved on to guest starring. TS has now the three singles BEFORE album has even come out so doesn't bode well for the longevity. Even streaming monsters such as Drake, Bruno Mars and Kendrick Lamar have struggled to get several hits from their recent albums. Ed Sheeran did wisely to spare the third single for Q4. I'm pretty sure releasing a few singles quickly isn't an issue for Taylor in terms of longevity. She's proven that she can get more than the typical 2 or 3 huge singles from an album before. Then again, things might've changed since 1989. However, it is probably a bad idea to push them to radio all at once since they cannibalize each other. Also, Kendrick didn't struggle TOO badly to get other hits. He managed to have 2 other songs hit the year-end, with a 4th getting 20 weeks. He just doesn't get along with pop radio. Drake also did fairly well, with 1 big hit, 1 decent-sized hit, and 1 more getting 20 weeks, but again his songs don't always get pushed at Pop. As for Bruno, his album was kinda limited in terms of songs that could be pop hits, especially since it's only 9 tracks long.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 25, 2017 6:09:45 GMT -5
Kill it with fire. :sip2:
POP: -- 49 TAYLOR SWIFT Gorgeous 412 0 412 3.822
+61 Spins +61 Bullet +0.467 Audience
HOT AC: -- 50 TAYLOR SWIFT Gorgeous 82 0 82 0.927
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Post by irice22 on Oct 25, 2017 9:48:52 GMT -5
I just don't understand why they're giving radio the go ahead to play 'Gorgeous' when they only JUST gave RFI a widespread radio push. I don't really think they gave radio the go ahead. They can play any song they want.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 25, 2017 9:59:54 GMT -5
Kinda seems like they're just letting radio play whatever they want while pushing one song at a time. We'll see how that pans out.
I know the internet (apparently) hates this song, but anecdotally speaking, everyone I know likes it. Might help that it's v gay (having a boyfriend but wanting to fuck someone else, etc.).
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Post by theflying on Oct 25, 2017 10:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah weirdly this seems to have gotten a good reception from GP.
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2017 11:06:36 GMT -5
This sounded amazing on the radio last night.
Slay me again Taylor!!!
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Post by deepston on Oct 25, 2017 12:29:27 GMT -5
Yeah weirdly this seems to have gotten a good reception from GP. This is a generic pop song, ofc it would have a good reception xD
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Post by irice22 on Oct 25, 2017 12:39:37 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me. It kind of sounds like all the other safe sounding material out right now.
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