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Post by Caviar on Jan 23, 2018 13:17:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 13:34:42 GMT -5
Yeah, this doesn't look like it's going to work out. And I feel the same for Supplies. C'mon Justin, drop a new monster smash for the Super Bowl and into spring. Whatcha got for us?
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Post by Naos on Jan 24, 2018 2:03:11 GMT -5
Listen after listen... this actually got better. It's a pretty unique sounding song on the charts, at least to me, and I actually like the fact his vocals aren't placed at the front of the mix.
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Post by dwhite725 on Jan 24, 2018 2:07:41 GMT -5
POP
15 15 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 7455 6704 751 40.515
+52 Spins -185 Bullet +0.113 Audience
HOT AC
19 19 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 1979 1669 310 9.146
+33 Spins -47 Bullet +0.299 Audience
RHYTHMIC
25 25 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 1527 1329 198 5.423
+3 Spins -110 Bullet -0.020 Audience
AC
30 24 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 65 56 9 0.041
+1 Spin -5 Bullet = Audience Wait, what?!? AC is spinning this? What and where did the AC I know go?
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Post by Duca on Jan 24, 2018 15:58:21 GMT -5
This is probably over for now on radio even though it continues to sell well heading into its 4th week (currently #7 on iTunes.) Supplies debuted on pop today without any push which further hurt this.
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14 15 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 7518 6906 612 40.335
+63 Spins -139 Bullet -0.180 Audience
HOT AC
19 19 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 2007 1721 286 9.226
+28 Spins -24 Bullet +0.080 Audience
RHYTHMIC
24 25 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 1533 1392 141 5.423
+6 Spins -57 Bullet = Audience
AC
31 24 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy 64 61 3 0.039
-1 Spin -6 Bullet -0.002 Audience
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Post by james518 on Jan 24, 2018 19:26:47 GMT -5
I listen to this every time I’m in the car, and I just can’t get into it
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Post by Choco on Jan 26, 2018 14:58:19 GMT -5
-6 today.
Supplies had a -126 today and should vacate top 50 tomorrow.
The new song with Chris S. is #1 on iTunes right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 17:45:28 GMT -5
This is an interesting roll out. Times they are a changin'.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jan 26, 2018 18:02:50 GMT -5
This is an interesting roll out. Times they are a changin'. I hate the rollouts that I’ve seen for this and other big artists. It really doesn’t seem beneficial, but it keeps being replicated.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jan 26, 2018 19:00:02 GMT -5
This is an interesting roll out. Times they are a changin'. I hate the rollouts that I’ve seen for this and other big artists. It really doesn’t seem beneficial, but it keeps being replicated. Isn’t that the definition of stupidity, repeating the same thing but expecting different results? I still don’t understand what was wrong with the old way of doing stuff, at least it worked!
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Jan 26, 2018 19:01:10 GMT -5
The "traditional rollout" method that had been used for ages and ages does still work, but it's boring to see the same formula used.
Releasing the song to radio with an hourly deal and the digital download at the same time. A lyric video a day or so later. Then a performance a week or two after that. Then release the music video. A couple of more performances. Then release a remix version to radio and digital download. A few more performances. It peaks. Announce and release the next single...
I don't like how they release the digital download and the music video at the same time for some releases. You can't have exhausted all of those different methods right away. At least separate it by a few weeks. I wonder if they do it for some of them knowing that all the hype will be gone after a couple of weeks? LWYMMD had absolutely no live performances or promotional interviews.
At least they have stopped holding back on releasing the digital downloads until the song peaks on radio. That was a crazy time when that happened.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jan 27, 2018 6:01:18 GMT -5
It might be “boring” but it works, so why stop? Risk sabotaging the era just so you can say you mixed things up with its release not to be boring?
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Jan 27, 2018 20:35:38 GMT -5
This stalled hard
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Post by Caviar on Jan 27, 2018 20:57:47 GMT -5
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Post by thewp on Jan 27, 2018 21:24:01 GMT -5
It might be “boring” but it works, so why stop? Risk sabotaging the era just so you can say you mixed things up with its release not to be boring? I think attention is so fractured now, labels want to reach as many people in as many different ways as possible. I don’t know if it’s a good theory for an established act or not. Maybe it wouldn’t have even been that noticeable if Filthy was a smash.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Jan 28, 2018 1:54:20 GMT -5
It might be “boring” but it works, so why stop? Risk sabotaging the era just so you can say you mixed things up with its release not to be boring? I think attention is so fractured now, labels want to reach as many people in as many different ways as possible. I don’t know if it’s a good theory for an established act or not. Maybe it wouldn’t have even been that noticeable if Filthy was a smash. Or they are throwing a few singles out there to see which one radio listeners and the music buying public respond to. It looks like the song with Chris Stapleton may have the best chances of doing well now on Pop and AC but I see it doing very little on Rhythmic. There is still one more song coming out before the album is released. Let's see what that is like. I feel like they may send different singles to different formats at the same time. What also remains to be seen is whether any of the other songs on the album could be potentially radio and single worthy, or if radio will actually give him a chance after multiple underperformers, in the event the CS collaboration flops, and the growing backlash. I have a feeling that the collaboration with Alicia Keys will be promoted as a single.
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 28, 2018 4:09:30 GMT -5
Filthy was totally the wrong song to start the era with and it was done very wrong way too. I think Say Something might save it a bit and also of course the SB if he doesn't look ridiculous on stage (for example bring twerking women on stage and be "woke")
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Post by Ragin on Jan 28, 2018 11:06:37 GMT -5
Good point, but how does he avoid it? The truth is sex sells bigger now than it ever has, and yet if you use it right now you look out of touch and like you have no compassion, or worse, mysogonistic. It will be tough for some of these artists to figure out how to strike that balance. Personally, I'd be thrilled to see them get away from the sex sells bit, but Cardi B among many others prove that isn't the trend.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 28, 2018 11:15:52 GMT -5
I’m extremely confused.
I swear Tuesday or Wednesday a song called “Supplies” was charting in the 40s with a bullet at like +260, had a thread of general displease. Saturday comes around and a song with Stapleton (why he agreed to do this is something else, Eric Church never would) is on radio on Hot AC station. Look at charts, look at thread it’s almost like Supplies was pulled midweek or possibly, never existed like that movie Sinbad was in as a genie in the early 90s ala Mandela Effect. Can someone clear this up? If it was real, three singles in three weeks right? Also, I’m not so sure if this is a strategy, this is more of a commercial disaster and they are just trying to make something profitable and work. I think “filthy” was pushed because Justin Timberlake couldn’t be told no or important people were afraid to tell him “dude, this is NOT going to work, but way to be a good friend to Timbaland who is nearing retirement”. People are afraid to say it in rock threads, but Arcade Fire went through the exact same thing in 2013 with their “David Bowie tribute album”. If anyone knows alternative, they’ll get the parallel.
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Post by thewp on Jan 28, 2018 11:36:07 GMT -5
I think Stapleton feels beholden to JT because he believes/ his career did blow up after his 2015 CMA appearance with JT.
The plan was always to release 4 songs/ 1 a week prior to the album release. Maybe that is because they knew Filthy would be a hard sell- I’m not sure.
Maybe it’s like a Taylor situation where radio is playing all songs and not picking one but the label kinda made that situation by having so many promo singles?!
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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 28, 2018 11:49:32 GMT -5
There’s a reason Adele only had one single released at album release time, and she will have blown her competitors out of the water.
Also, there’s a reason TS didn’t need to release Blank Space, Style, and Bad Blood before album release...they all held their own ground for like 20 weeks at a time.
This is not a “strategy”.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 28, 2018 11:57:58 GMT -5
There’s a reason Adele only had one single released at album release time, and she will have blown her competitors out of the water. Also, there’s a reason TS didn’t need to release Blank Space, Style, and Bad Blood before album release...they all held their own ground for like 20 weeks at a time. This is not a “strategy”. Those aren't good analogies whatsoever. That they made 4 videos and intended for release in advance of the album within a month is clearly a diversion from a traditional rollout. Whether it was a good idea and how it worked is another subject, but it is a strategy.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 28, 2018 12:06:20 GMT -5
I’m extremely confused. I swear Tuesday or Wednesday a song called “Supplies” was charting in the 40s with a bullet at like +260, had a thread of general displease. Saturday comes around and a song with Stapleton (why he agreed to do this is something else, Eric Church never would) is on radio on Hot AC station. Look at charts, look at thread it’s almost like Supplies was pulled midweek or possibly, never existed like that movie Sinbad was in as a genie in the early 90s ala Mandela Effect. Can someone clear this up? If it was real, three singles in three weeks right? Also, I’m not so sure if this is a strategy, this is more of a commercial disaster and they are just trying to make something profitable and work. I think “filthy” was pushed because Justin Timberlake couldn’t be told no or important people were afraid to tell him “dude, this is NOT going to work, but way to be a good friend to Timbaland who is nearing retirement”. People are afraid to say it in rock threads, but Arcade Fire went through the exact same thing in 2013 with their “David Bowie tribute album”. If anyone knows alternative, they’ll get the parallel. 3 songs were released and each one was sent to different formats: Filthy is the overall single and only song sent to Pop Supplies was only sent to Rhythmic Say Something was sent to AC, HAC, and Rock
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Post by Duca on Jan 28, 2018 12:08:39 GMT -5
I think Stapleton feels beholden to JT because he believes/ his career did blow up after his 2015 CMA appearance with JT. The plan was always to release 4 songs/ 1 a week prior to the album release. Maybe that is because they knew Filthy would be a hard sell- I’m not sure. Maybe it’s like a Taylor situation where radio is playing all songs and not picking one but the label kinda made that situation by having so many promo singles?! Justin and Chris have been friends for years... they probably just wanted to work together. They'd known each other for over three years before their performance at the 2015 CMAs. I think the point of releasing four songs before the album was to show different sides of the album because the three songs we've heard so far are nothing alike. It's a risky strategy but his album should sell well.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 28, 2018 12:50:14 GMT -5
It will sell “okay” compared to others.
I think most would prefer a song that can make it to recurrent opposed to what feels like cute B-side tracks from the 2000s.This thing really seems lazily made and poorly put together.
Stapleton still should have never went this route.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jan 29, 2018 15:00:03 GMT -5
I don't understand this strategy. I was recently listening to a countdown from Jan 1989 and Bad, which MJ released in Summer of 1987, was still spinning off singles. Tay Swift's album is only a couple months old yet it feels like all the rockets have been fired and they are already falling back down to Earth. Same thing is going to happen to JT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 16:10:54 GMT -5
Fithy is too good for being a pop song and I actually appreciate Timberlake for Filthy, only the rock bridge is awful, Supplies is also great and Say Something is t least something. he will be fine, he´s not just after money, he wants also to give quality and he delivers actually
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Post by AP on Jan 29, 2018 16:55:35 GMT -5
I don't understand this strategy. I was recently listening to a countdown from Jan 1989 and Bad, which MJ released in Summer of 1987, was still spinning off singles. Tay Swift's album is only a couple months old yet it feels like all the rockets have been fired and they are already falling back down to Earth. Same thing is going to happen to JT. Well, the way music is consumed in 2018 is entirely different than it was 30 years ago.
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Post by TroublemakerOlly on Jan 30, 2018 3:16:24 GMT -5
I’m extremely confused. I swear Tuesday or Wednesday a song called “Supplies” was charting in the 40s with a bullet at like +260, had a thread of general displease. Saturday comes around and a song with Stapleton (why he agreed to do this is something else, Eric Church never would) is on radio on Hot AC station. Look at charts, look at thread it’s almost like Supplies was pulled midweek or possibly, never existed like that movie Sinbad was in as a genie in the early 90s ala Mandela Effect. Can someone clear this up? If it was real, three singles in three weeks right? Also, I’m not so sure if this is a strategy, this is more of a commercial disaster and they are just trying to make something profitable and work. I think “filthy” was pushed because Justin Timberlake couldn’t be told no or important people were afraid to tell him “dude, this is NOT going to work, but way to be a good friend to Timbaland who is nearing retirement”. People are afraid to say it in rock threads, but Arcade Fire went through the exact same thing in 2013 with their “David Bowie tribute album”. If anyone knows alternative, they’ll get the parallel. 3 songs were released and each one was sent to different formats: Filthy is the overall single and only song sent to Pop Supplies was only sent to Rhythmic Say Something was sent to AC, HAC, and Rock Supplies was also sent to Urban which means basically his current 3 singles have covered all his core/potential formats.
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Post by Suono on Jan 30, 2018 12:50:40 GMT -5
Wow - this bombed quickly. Didn't it debut at #14?
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