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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 12, 2019 14:05:42 GMT -5
Because there isn't enough of them in regular rotation on the radio and the consumer base who is tapped for the callout feedback is conditioned to not favor female voices. They usually test very poorly, even when their songs are connecting well in other ways like streaming or selling well. Callout is very flawed. Besides Sugarland with "Babe" what female song has had great streaming and sales in the past year or so? The last 2 Maren Morris singles were pretty middle of the road hits, "Legends" was one of the weakest #1s impact wise, "Cry Pretty" underperformed sales wise, finally "Hide The Wine" and Heart Break" could never really take off sales wise. Callout is very flawed, but what is radio supposed to do, ignore callout scores? Because that seems very risky and I think country radio could lose the listeners they do have and revenue. They've kind of painted themselves into a corner, because the more they try to ignore callout scores and push women forward, the less listeners they will recieve and lose interest, due to them catering to such a specific group of fans. If they keep ignoring females in country music, than they are looked at as sexist assholes to every outside person looking in, and that is not a good look in 2019. They are essential in a no win position. For starters, I never once in my post said this year. This has been going on for far longer ("My Church" and "Vice" are some of the best recent examples), and I wasn't thinking of any of those examples in particular, though "Rich," "Cry Pretty," and "Hide the Wine" are examples of songs that may not have sold exceptionally well, but they sold as well or better than fluff from males that sometimes gets higher on the charts/all the way to #1 because of the callout favoring them. For instance, "Hangin' On" based on consumer interest should not have out-peaked any of those songs, but it made it all the way to #2 because it was an inoffensive song by a male artist and therefore tested decently. Also, in regards to your last point: plenty of people do want more women on the radio, but the flawed callout says they don't. The callout research is not accurate and representative of everyone, or else the responses would be far less skewed in favor of it being a sausage-fest. Thinking this is a no-win situation strikes me as problematic because that's just an excuse to exclude women from the airwaves and keep doing what they're doing. Maybe there's some bros who will stop listening because they have a few more women on the playlists, but I guarantee that would be totally offset if not more so by the people who do want women on the radio.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 12, 2019 14:37:27 GMT -5
Besides Sugarland with "Babe" what female song has had great streaming and sales in the past year or so? The last 2 Maren Morris singles were pretty middle of the road hits, "Legends" was one of the weakest #1s impact wise, "Cry Pretty" underperformed sales wise, finally "Hide The Wine" and Heart Break" could never really take off sales wise. Callout is very flawed, but what is radio supposed to do, ignore callout scores? Because that seems very risky and I think country radio could lose the listeners they do have and revenue. They've kind of painted themselves into a corner, because the more they try to ignore callout scores and push women forward, the less listeners they will recieve and lose interest, due to them catering to such a specific group of fans. If they keep ignoring females in country music, than they are looked at as sexist assholes to every outside person looking in, and that is not a good look in 2019. They are essential in a no win position. For starters, I never once in my post said this year. This has been going on for far longer ("My Church" and "Vice" are some of the best recent examples), and I wasn't thinking of any of those examples in particular, though "Rich," "Cry Pretty," and "Hide the Wine" are examples of songs that may not have sold exceptionally well, but they sold as well or better than fluff from males that sometimes gets higher on the charts/all the way to #1 because of the callout favoring them. For instance, "Hangin' On" based on consumer interest should not have out-peaked any of those songs, but it made it all the way to #2 because it was an inoffensive song by a male artist and therefore tested decently. Also, in regards to your last point: plenty of people do want more women on the radio, but the flawed callout says they don't. The callout research is not accurate and representative of everyone, or else the responses would be far less skewed in favor of it being a sausage-fest. Thinking this is a no-win situation strikes me as problematic because that's just an excuse to exclude women from the airwaves and keep doing what they're doing. Maybe there's some bros who will stop listening because they have a few more women on the playlists, but I guarantee that would be totally offset if not more so by the people who do want women on the radio. Ok. Lot to digest here, but this is good to have a nice civilized debate about this. First of all I didn't say you said this year. I was just using that as a reference point, and that isn't too big of a deal. So that's my first point. Honeslty, country radio should just take into account callout and sales and streaming, and not rely to heavily on any one of them when determining success. Balance it. I honestly think the people that have wanted to hear women on country radio, have just moved on and not listen to the radio altogether, and instead just listen to the female artists when it comes to streaming, or sales and do not even bother with the radio anymore. I also think that unfortunately the people that want to listen to female country artists is a very vocal minority when it comes to country fans. Otherwise the women that do see success, would sell and stream very well. If even say 60% of country music fans wanted to hear more women, the female songs on the sales and streaming charts would do very well. I genuinely do think callout is representative of the majority of country music radio fans. A large majority of country music fans I have interacted with that have listened to the radio, do not like female artists at all. Is it sexist? Yes. But that is just the way it is and given how stubborn people seem nowadays, I doubt any of this changes. The most the women on country radio problem can hope for is for followup singles to do Top 20 to Top 30 as that seems most realistic, and having about 1 or 2 female artist per year break out for a short period of time before fading into obscurity. I hope I don't come across as a blatant sexist or misogynistic, as I do want women to succeed in country radio, I just don't see a realistic solution in sight. This is the last I am gonna say about this, since this is the "Speechless" thread, and I feel bad that I caused this whole thing to spiral out of control.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jan 13, 2019 21:01:09 GMT -5
All good points being made in this thread. I really wished radio would've given "Babe" more of a chance. Sugarland used to test really well. It's possible the radio audience has changed so much over time that the new crop of listeners is so large it has barely heard of Sugarland. I was pleasantly surprised to see "Rich" test a little better than most females. Thankfully, radio seems pretty excited about the new singles from Kelsea Ballerini, Runaway June and Carly Peace. It's a process, but I think women will slowly work their way back into the minds of country radio listeners over the next few years. Thanks for participating .indulgecountry and raylatch98 . Now, back to Speechless, just to clarify: The point I was trying to get at the other night is I think radio very well may remember this as a bigger hit than Good Girl simply because it got the four weeks at #1 just for being #1 over Christmas. By "manufactured" I simply meant that I doubt this would've spent that long at the top if it didn't get #1 over the holiday shutdown (cc rsmatto ) but I still think judging by the overall reception radio has had to this that 1-2 weeks at #1 were definitely deserved. The research for this was indeed worse than Good Girl, however, and I don't think the flaws we've discussed in research really apply when we're discussing two songs sung by males. Let's wait and see how fast the two fall and how much recurrent airplay they each get and judge which was a bigger hit. It's interesting to compare these two because they can very easily represent the difference research makes.
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Post by bboat11 on Jan 13, 2019 23:10:50 GMT -5
For starters, I never once in my post said this year. This has been going on for far longer ("My Church" and "Vice" are some of the best recent examples), and I wasn't thinking of any of those examples in particular, though "Rich," "Cry Pretty," and "Hide the Wine" are examples of songs that may not have sold exceptionally well, but they sold as well or better than fluff from males that sometimes gets higher on the charts/all the way to #1 because of the callout favoring them. For instance, "Hangin' On" based on consumer interest should not have out-peaked any of those songs, but it made it all the way to #2 because it was an inoffensive song by a male artist and therefore tested decently. Also, in regards to your last point: plenty of people do want more women on the radio, but the flawed callout says they don't. The callout research is not accurate and representative of everyone, or else the responses would be far less skewed in favor of it being a sausage-fest. Thinking this is a no-win situation strikes me as problematic because that's just an excuse to exclude women from the airwaves and keep doing what they're doing. Maybe there's some bros who will stop listening because they have a few more women on the playlists, but I guarantee that would be totally offset if not more so by the people who do want women on the radio. Ok. Lot to digest here, but this is good to have a nice civilized debate about this. First of all I didn't say you said this year. I was just using that as a reference point, and that isn't too big of a deal. So that's my first point. Honeslty, country radio should just take into account callout and sales and streaming, and not rely to heavily on any one of them when determining success. Balance it. I honestly think the people that have wanted to hear women on country radio, have just moved on and not listen to the radio altogether, and instead just listen to the female artists when it comes to streaming, or sales and do not even bother with the radio anymore. I also think that unfortunately the people that want to listen to female country artists is a very vocal minority when it comes to country fans. Otherwise the women that do see success, would sell and stream very well. If even say 60% of country music fans wanted to hear more women, the female songs on the sales and streaming charts would do very well.
I genuinely do think callout is representative of the majority of country music radio fans. A large majority of country music fans I have interacted with that have listened to the radio, do not like female artists at all. Is it sexist? Yes. But that is just the way it is and given how stubborn people seem nowadays, I doubt any of this changes. The most the women on country radio problem can hope for is for followup singles to do Top 20 to Top 30 as that seems most realistic, and having about 1 or 2 female artist per year break out for a short period of time before fading into obscurity. I hope I don't come across as a blatant sexist or misogynistic, as I do want women to succeed in country radio, I just don't see a realistic solution in sight. This is the last I am gonna say about this, since this is the "Speechless" thread, and I feel bad that I caused this whole thing to spiral out of control. For the sake of everything that is holy, I hope that you are wrong...
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 13, 2019 23:12:41 GMT -5
Ok. Lot to digest here, but this is good to have a nice civilized debate about this. First of all I didn't say you said this year. I was just using that as a reference point, and that isn't too big of a deal. So that's my first point. Honeslty, country radio should just take into account callout and sales and streaming, and not rely to heavily on any one of them when determining success. Balance it. I honestly think the people that have wanted to hear women on country radio, have just moved on and not listen to the radio altogether, and instead just listen to the female artists when it comes to streaming, or sales and do not even bother with the radio anymore. I also think that unfortunately the people that want to listen to female country artists is a very vocal minority when it comes to country fans. Otherwise the women that do see success, would sell and stream very well. If even say 60% of country music fans wanted to hear more women, the female songs on the sales and streaming charts would do very well.
I genuinely do think callout is representative of the majority of country music radio fans. A large majority of country music fans I have interacted with that have listened to the radio, do not like female artists at all. Is it sexist? Yes. But that is just the way it is and given how stubborn people seem nowadays, I doubt any of this changes. The most the women on country radio problem can hope for is for followup singles to do Top 20 to Top 30 as that seems most realistic, and having about 1 or 2 female artist per year break out for a short period of time before fading into obscurity. I hope I don't come across as a blatant sexist or misogynistic, as I do want women to succeed in country radio, I just don't see a realistic solution in sight. This is the last I am gonna say about this, since this is the "Speechless" thread, and I feel bad that I caused this whole thing to spiral out of control. For the sake of everything that is holy, I hope that you are wrong... I do want to be wrong, just fyi. I just fear that wgat I said and you bolded is probably true unfortunately.
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Post by bboat11 on Jan 13, 2019 23:27:59 GMT -5
For the sake of everything that is holy, I hope that you are wrong... I do want to be wrong, just fyi. I just fear that wgat I said and you bolded is probably true unfortunately. Something that is pretty interesting, is that I would say female artists are the ones who tend to have more passionate fanbases as a whole. So even if they are more polarizing to the masses, it's not like their fans are people that radio would be wise to completely neglect...
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jan 13, 2019 23:30:55 GMT -5
Honestly, I think "the problem" is suburban women prefer to hear men's voices on the radio. And most country stations are in those areas where there are a lot of "soccer moms" who really prefer to hear guys while they're driving kids to school. It would be interesting to see the difference between callout for women in urban, suburban and rural areas.
I'd hypothesize that if more country stations were added in urban areas, women would start to test better.
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Post by bboat11 on Jan 13, 2019 23:57:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I think "the problem" is suburban women prefer to hear men's voices on the radio. And most country stations are in those areas where there are a lot of "soccer moms" who really prefer to hear guys while they're driving kids to school. It would be interesting to see the difference between callout for women in urban, suburban and rural areas. I'd hypothesize that if more country stations were added in urban areas, women would start to test better. I've never fully bought into the "women prefer to hear men's voices on the radio" mentality. I think that is just a lie that the radio execs try to feed us as an excuse to justify why they never play women on the radio. I mean, considering that women tend to have more female fans than they do male, it just doesn't add up. Many of the most successful and long-lasting women in the genre, such as Martina McBride and Reba McEntire, have spent their careers speaking out against women's issues and championing women's rights. Look up discussions about songs like "I'm Gonna Love You Through It", "Fancy", and "She Thinks His Name Was John" online, and you'll see nothing but women (and a few men) speaking out about how the song completely changed their lives because they connected to them in ways that a song never had before, followed by something along the lines of "why don't they play stuff like this on the radio anymore?" Honestly, the women that rallied in outrage around artists like Martina and Sara Evans in the wake of the Tomatogate scandal a couple years ago says it all. It just seems to me like Country radio is speaking for women, without actually listening to the opinions of said women first.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jan 14, 2019 0:16:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I think "the problem" is suburban women prefer to hear men's voices on the radio. And most country stations are in those areas where there are a lot of "soccer moms" who really prefer to hear guys while they're driving kids to school. It would be interesting to see the difference between callout for women in urban, suburban and rural areas. I'd hypothesize that if more country stations were added in urban areas, women would start to test better. I've never fully bought into the "women prefer to hear men's voices on the radio" mentality. I think that is just a lie that the radio execs try to feed us as an excuse to justify why they never play women on the radio. I mean, considering that women tend to have more female fans than they do male, it just doesn't add up. Many of the most successful and long-lasting women in the genre, such as Martina McBride and Reba McEntire, have spent their careers speaking out against women's issues and championing women's rights. Look up discussions about songs like "I'm Gonna Love You Through It", "Fancy", and "She Thinks His Name Was John" online, and you'll see nothing but women (and a few men) speaking out about how the song completely changed their lives because they connected to them in ways that a song never had before, followed by something along the lines of "why don't they play stuff like this on the radio anymore?" Honestly, the women that rallied in outrage around artists like Martina and Sara Evans in the wake of the Tomatogate scandal a couple years ago says it all. It just seems to me like Country radio is speaking for women, without actually listening to the opinions of said women first. But you're talking about years ago when things were different. Women have only started testing poorly the last couple of years.
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Post by bboat11 on Jan 14, 2019 0:52:49 GMT -5
I've never fully bought into the "women prefer to hear men's voices on the radio" mentality. I think that is just a lie that the radio execs try to feed us as an excuse to justify why they never play women on the radio. I mean, considering that women tend to have more female fans than they do male, it just doesn't add up. Many of the most successful and long-lasting women in the genre, such as Martina McBride and Reba McEntire, have spent their careers speaking out against women's issues and championing women's rights. Look up discussions about songs like "I'm Gonna Love You Through It", "Fancy", and "She Thinks His Name Was John" online, and you'll see nothing but women (and a few men) speaking out about how the song completely changed their lives because they connected to them in ways that a song never had before, followed by something along the lines of "why don't they play stuff like this on the radio anymore?" Honestly, the women that rallied in outrage around artists like Martina and Sara Evans in the wake of the Tomatogate scandal a couple years ago says it all. It just seems to me like Country radio is speaking for women, without actually listening to the opinions of said women first. But you're talking about years ago when things were different. Women have only started testing poorly the last couple of years. I don't have the sources to back it up, but I thought women always tested a little worse than men. They certainly have for most of the past decade, when "I'm Gonna Love You Through It" stalled short of #1 while mediocre male songs made their rounds at the top. And, it was only a couple years ago that Reba released "Just Like Them Horses" and received major trending buzz, with people calling in and telling her their stories about how much the song meant to them and stuff like that, while radio completely ignored it. Granted, there may have been other factors at play in that case such as age or radio conglomerate affiliations. But judging by fan reactions, the support of the consumers for female voices has almost always been underrepresented by the callout scores. It has gotten really bad the last couple years, but the problem has certainly existed longer than that...
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jan 14, 2019 1:43:28 GMT -5
But you're talking about years ago when things were different. Women have only started testing poorly the last couple of years. I don't have the sources to back it up, but I thought women always tested a little worse than men. They certainly have for most of the past decade, when "I'm Gonna Love You Through It" stalled short of #1 while mediocre male songs made their rounds at the top. And, it was only a couple years ago that Reba released "Just Like Them Horses" and received major trending buzz, with people calling in and telling her their stories about how much the song meant to them and stuff like that, while radio completely ignored it. Granted, there may have been other factors at play in that case such as age or radio conglomerate affiliations. But judging by fan reactions, the support of the consumers for female voices has almost always been underrepresented by the callout scores. It has gotten really bad the last couple years, but the problem has certainly existed longer than that... Here's a callout report from 1999: www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?Sort=P&Archived=1&FORMAT=C1&SEX=3&AGE=3&GRC=CRG&TestDate=4%2F18%2F1999&newPage=Show+ReportRandomly drawn from the Mediabase archives, it doesn't seem like females tested poorly in this report.
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Post by bboat11 on Jan 14, 2019 1:48:12 GMT -5
I don't have the sources to back it up, but I thought women always tested a little worse than men. They certainly have for most of the past decade, when "I'm Gonna Love You Through It" stalled short of #1 while mediocre male songs made their rounds at the top. And, it was only a couple years ago that Reba released "Just Like Them Horses" and received major trending buzz, with people calling in and telling her their stories about how much the song meant to them and stuff like that, while radio completely ignored it. Granted, there may have been other factors at play in that case such as age or radio conglomerate affiliations. But judging by fan reactions, the support of the consumers for female voices has almost always been underrepresented by the callout scores. It has gotten really bad the last couple years, but the problem has certainly existed longer than that... Here's a callout report from 1999: www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?Sort=P&Archived=1&FORMAT=C1&SEX=3&AGE=3&GRC=CRG&TestDate=4%2F18%2F1999&newPage=Show+ReportRandomly drawn from the Mediabase archives, it doesn't seem like females tested poorly in this report. Hmmm, that's pretty interesting. It doesn't surprise me that females were all-around better received in 1999. It would be interesting to see when the shift truly started. (I wonder if that's something else we can blame on Taylor Swift! ) In other news, YAAAAASSSSSSS King George, get that 0.0 negativity and high burn rating on "Write This Down"!!!!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 14, 2019 7:07:00 GMT -5
Women test poorly now because they've taken a backseat to men on the radio and people aren't as used to hearing them on the airwaves anymore so they now tend to test more poorly than their male counterparts, but I absolutely disagree it's because a majority of listeners, especially the females, just don't want to hear them at all. That's just a PR spin that radio likes to hand out as an excuse for not playing the female songs, just like when some of them make excuses about how the women might get more airplay if they released "better songs," which we all know is a joke because they already are doing exactly that.
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Post by carriekins on Jan 14, 2019 8:39:00 GMT -5
As one of few "soccer mom" females on the forum, I'll speak up, I suppose. Yes, my favorite artist is Dierks, but when it comes down to it, for me it's really about quality. And I'd much rather radio play good songs, period. I will take Closer to You over Good Girl any day. I will take Die From a Broken Heart/Friends Don't over Girl Like You. There are many, many more instance where I would much rather hear a female-led song over much of what radio is cramming down my throat.
That said, I do think there is some merit to the "women want to hear men" theory, though I don't think it explains the whole issue. Based on the surge of popularity of someone like Luke Bryan whose fanbase is majority female - see also: Sam Hunt - there probably is some truth to that. But honestly, I think the bigger truth is that radio - like just about everything - caters to men, and men want to hear other men. So.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 14, 2019 8:41:32 GMT -5
Women test poorly now because they've taken a backseat to men on the radio and people aren't as used to hearing them on the airwaves anymore so they now tend to test more poorly than their male counterparts, but I absolutely disagree it's because a majority of listeners, especially the females, just don't want to hear them at all. That's just a PR spin that radio likes to hand out as an excuse for not playing the female songs, just like when some of them make excuses about how the women might get more airplay if they released "better songs," which we all know is a joke because they already are doing exactly that. Women might be releasing better music to you and majority of people here including myself, but taste is so subjective nowadays and what may be great to you and the majority of people here, may not be for the majority of radio people. Is it sexist? Yes. But that seems to be the way radio operates. Pulse is such a small sample size of the radio listening audience (hell I don't even think some people here in the country forum listen to country radio), that all of our opinions are so minor in the grand scheme of things, as I doubt we represent the popular consensus. Probably the most vocal consensus, but not the most popular. I mean women need to release music that radio themselves will like, unfortunately that is such a hard code to crack, due to how limited female airplay is and will probably forever be. With any newer artist it is just basically a guessing game of what will hit, and with female artists they get less of a shot than male artists.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jan 14, 2019 9:07:10 GMT -5
Women test poorly now because they've taken a backseat to men on the radio and people aren't as used to hearing them on the airwaves anymore so they now tend to test more poorly than their male counterparts, but I absolutely disagree it's because a majority of listeners, especially the females, just don't want to hear them at all. That's just a PR spin that radio likes to hand out as an excuse for not playing the female songs, just like when some of them make excuses about how the women might get more airplay if they released "better songs," which we all know is a joke because they already are doing exactly that. Women might be releasing better music to you and majority of people here including myself, but taste is so subjective nowadays and what may be great to you and the majority of people here, may not be for the majority of radio people. Is it sexist? Yes. But that seems to be the way radio operates. I think everyone knows that quality is subjective but the problem here is that if radio was truly only playing the best songs sent to them it wouldn’t favour one gender over the other. As for the “soccer mom” theory I do think there’s a little to it that is true but not so much in the way it’s usually discussed. From my experience and perspective. Breaking down the demographics I believe the vast majority of males do prefer male singers. Then the female audience is probably pretty split. About half I’d say doesn’t care either way. While the rest is half for female and half for male. The soccer moms in my theory would be the ones who don’t care either way. They’ll take male or female vocals evenly. The female fans at shows as Bboat pointed out would make up the rest of the females. I’ve been to shows by both male and female artists. And the majority of the crowds were almost always female.
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Post by drod17 on Jan 14, 2019 9:46:06 GMT -5
Last time I checked on the subject, weren't men the main reason as to why females did poorly on the call out charts? I'm pretty sure women tend to score female led songs higher than what men do. I think the problem is that men have a harder time relating to female songs than women do to male songs.
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Post by seak05 on Jan 14, 2019 11:02:03 GMT -5
Last time I checked on the subject, weren't men the main reason as to why females did poorly on the call out charts? I'm pretty sure women tend to score female led songs higher than what men do. I think the problem is that men have a harder time relating to female songs than women do to male songs. Eh, just looking through call out, this is sort of true. Women tend to score women songs both higher and lower in call out, but men tend to lump them all into the bottom half. That said their are so few solo women songs in the call out that it's hard to get a good sense. The bigger issue is what has already been said in this thread: people are conditioned to like what they hear the most often. The radio has become so saturated with men, that male sung songs are starting with a built in advantage. The only way to change that is to play more women. If more women get played people will get used to hearing women voice....and then score them higher. (literally their are scientific studies that back this up, it's the same reason women have a harder time at sports/radio jobs, in political debates etc).
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jan 15, 2019 19:06:48 GMT -5
As one of few "soccer mom" females on the forum, I'll speak up, I suppose. Yes, my favorite artist is Dierks, but when it comes down to it, for me it's really about quality. And I'd much rather radio play good songs, period. I will take Closer to You over Good Girl any day. I will take Die From a Broken Heart/Friends Don't over Girl Like You. There are many, many more instance where I would much rather hear a female-led song over much of what radio is cramming down my throat. That said, I do think there is some merit to the "women want to hear men" theory, though I don't think it explains the whole issue. Based on the surge of popularity of someone like Luke Bryan whose fanbase is majority female - see also: Sam Hunt - there probably is some truth to that. But honestly, I think the bigger truth is that radio - like just about everything - caters to men, and men want to hear other men. So. Thank you so much for sharing your input! And, as a note to everyone, my sincerest apologies if I come across as offensive or rude or stereotyping with any of my language, like the use of the term "soccer moms." As a general disclaimer, my social skills suck and sometimes I don't word myself as carefully as I should, but my intentions are never to be disrespectful and I'm sincerely sorry if it ever comes across that way. Feel free to point it out to me, either publicly or through PM if I ever cross the line. I know it's kind of veering into off-topic territory here, but I'll put a head on this discussion by saying that I personally don't think the idea about females only wanting to hear men is entirely true, but I think it's only natural that, when a radio station plays 95% men, it's going to end up with a listening population, male or female, that prefers to hear men, as those who want more women will find other radio stations or go to their own playlists. I agree with the general consensus that playing more women would increase their popularity with the audience. Anyway, this might be best to take into another thread, since it has little to do with Dan and Shay or Speechless at this point, lol.
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Post by carriekins on Jan 15, 2019 20:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by Marv on Jan 16, 2019 0:58:20 GMT -5
Since country has been the most-listened to radio format for most of the past 26+ years (News-Talk, Classic Hits and Classic Rock have also spent time atop the most-listened to format rankings) the remark that country songs by females would test better if 'more country stations were placed in urban areas' doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Exclusive on Jan 17, 2019 15:18:38 GMT -5
I can see this crossing over well just like "Tequila" did.
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Post by tomgsinger on Jan 17, 2019 17:48:10 GMT -5
Top 50 on hot AC without a push or adds date!
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jan 17, 2019 18:42:10 GMT -5
Top 50 on hot AC without a push or adds date! Wow, that's huge! Maybe that's why "Tequila" has been stalling as of late.
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Post by tomgsinger on Jan 17, 2019 21:14:28 GMT -5
Top 50 on hot AC without a push or adds date! Wow, that's huge! Maybe that's why "Tequila" has been stalling as of late. It’s obvious that HAC listeners have been wanting to hear this song for a while. The similarly sounding “Perfect” was by far the number one hit of 2018.
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Post by CoJoFan on Jan 18, 2019 8:14:25 GMT -5
Hasn't it been a while since a country act has had a hit on the Mainstream Top 40 chart? I mean "Tequila" is on the verge of hitting the top 20. I know Maren had a hit last year with "The Middle". I'm meaning hasn't it been a while since a full fledged country hit crossed over to become a pop hit? The last song I remember being a cross over hit on the Mainstream Top 40 was "Need You Now" by Lady A.
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Post by g8erboi on Jan 18, 2019 8:22:53 GMT -5
Hasn't it been a while since a country act has had a hit on the Mainstream Top 40 chart? I mean "Tequila" is on the verge of hitting the top 20. I know Maren had a hit last year with "The Middle". I'm meaning hasn't it been a while since a full fledged country hit crossed over to become a pop hit? The last song I remember being a cross over hit on the Mainstream Top 40 was "Need You Now" by Lady A. "Body Like A Backroad" by Sam Hunt, even though that song is not country sounding at all. Then I think "Cruise" by FGL was before that.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 18, 2019 11:34:20 GMT -5
Hasn't it been a while since a country act has had a hit on the Mainstream Top 40 chart? I mean "Tequila" is on the verge of hitting the top 20. I know Maren had a hit last year with "The Middle". I'm meaning hasn't it been a while since a full fledged country hit crossed over to become a pop hit? The last song I remember being a cross over hit on the Mainstream Top 40 was "Need You Now" by Lady A. All the recent-ish ones I could think of and their peaks on CHR: "Need You Now" - Lady Antebellum (#2) "Cruise" - Florida Georgia Line (#7) "Body Like a Back Road" - Sam Hunt (#11) "If I Die Young" - The Band Perry (#12) "Tequila" - Dan + Shay (#22)** "Wanted" - Hunter Hayes" (#23) "This Is How We Roll" - Florida Georgia Line (#25) "Take Your Time" - Sam Hunt (#27) **"Tequila" looks like it's going to make the Top 20 on CHR but I don't see it catching up to where Sam/TBP peaked with their crossover hits. I'm sure there's a few others that I've forgotten, but these are all the ones that came to mind first from the past 8-9 or so years.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 18, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -5
It's so crazy to me just how big "Need You Now" was for Lady Antebellum and in general, such a great song and amazing see such a great song be rewarded so much. I don't know if we will ever have a song originally meant for country radio break out that big ever again. I still hear the song on both pop and country radio at least once a week.
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Post by someguy on Jan 18, 2019 23:30:08 GMT -5
Hasn't it been a while since a country act has had a hit on the Mainstream Top 40 chart? I mean "Tequila" is on the verge of hitting the top 20. I know Maren had a hit last year with "The Middle". I'm meaning hasn't it been a while since a full fledged country hit crossed over to become a pop hit? The last song I remember being a cross over hit on the Mainstream Top 40 was "Need You Now" by Lady A. All the recent-ish ones I could think of and their peaks on CHR: "Need You Now" - Lady Antebellum (#2) "Cruise" - Florida Georgia Line (#7) "Body Like a Back Road" - Sam Hunt (#11) "If I Die Young" - The Band Perry (#12) "Tequila" - Dan + Shay (#22)** "Wanted" - Hunter Hayes" (#23) "This Is How We Roll" - Florida Georgia Line (#25) "Take Your Time" - Sam Hunt (#27) **"Tequila" looks like it's going to make the Top 20 on CHR but I don't see it catching up to where Sam/TBP peaked with their crossover hits. I'm sure there's a few others that I've forgotten, but these are all the ones that came to mind first from the past 8-9 or so years. I'm pretty sure that "Body Like A Back Road" managed to get a #10 peak, but other than that that list is pretty comprehensive. I imagine that "Tequila" will end up peaking around #18 or so when it's all said and done.
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