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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 11:52:15 GMT -5
I’m glad Gabby chooses to stay silent on certain things. The way she carries herself and acts somewhat reminds me of kellie pickler. She’s another one that doesn’t share a opinion on politics or race. You gonna get a very sweet generic answer if you asked Kellie. In a lot of ways Gabby’s similar.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 11:56:49 GMT -5
I’m glad Gabby chooses to stay silent on certain things. The way she carries herself and acts somewhat reminds me of kellie pickler. She’s another one that doesn’t share a opinion on politics or race. You gonna get a very sweet generic answer if you asked Kellie. In a lot of ways Gabby’s similar. I just can’t. The fact that someone can have an, “opinion,” on race speaks volumes.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 11:59:15 GMT -5
I’m glad Gabby chooses to stay silent on certain things. The way she carries herself and acts somewhat reminds me of kellie pickler. She’s another one that doesn’t share a opinion on politics or race. You gonna get a very sweet generic answer if you asked Kellie. In a lot of ways Gabby’s similar. I just can’t. The fact that someone can have an, “opinion,” on race speaks volumes. You can be a fan and dislike whoever you want in the music industry. That’s the great thing about music. You got different genres and different artists to chose from. You can like and dislike whoever you want.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 12:05:11 GMT -5
I just can’t. The fact that someone can have an, “opinion,” on race speaks volumes. You can be a fan and dislike whoever you want in the music industry. That’s the great thing about music. You got different genres and different artists to chose from. You can like and dislike whoever you want. Great. That isn't my point. My point is that, "race" isn't something people should have an, "opinion," on. If people think there is an opinion to be had on it, then that is not someone I want to associate myself with be it in real life or an internet forum.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:07:47 GMT -5
You can be a fan and dislike whoever you want in the music industry. That’s the great thing about music. You got different genres and different artists to chose from. You can like and dislike whoever you want. Great. That isn't my point. My point is that, "race" isn't something people should have an, "opinion," on. If people think there is an opinion to be had on it, then that is not someone I want to associate myself with be it in real life or an internet forum. That’s great more power to ya. 👏
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Post by thesurf on Jul 5, 2020 12:10:06 GMT -5
This is a music board if I wanted to talk politics I’d be on a political board. I do not believe Gabby is racist. Now back to talking about music Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
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Post by thesurf on Jul 5, 2020 12:14:19 GMT -5
I’m glad Gabby chooses to stay silent on certain things. The way she carries herself and acts somewhat reminds me of kellie pickler. She’s another one that doesn’t share a opinion on politics or race. You gonna get a very sweet generic answer if you asked Kellie. In a lot of ways Gabby’s similar. I don't recall Kellie Pickler's family going on racists tirades, which Gabby Barrett's family has - just as recent as BLM - and also before that.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:15:57 GMT -5
This is a music board if I wanted to talk politics I’d be on a political board. I do not believe Gabby is racist. Now back to talking about music Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:17:50 GMT -5
I’m glad Gabby chooses to stay silent on certain things. The way she carries herself and acts somewhat reminds me of kellie pickler. She’s another one that doesn’t share a opinion on politics or race. You gonna get a very sweet generic answer if you asked Kellie. In a lot of ways Gabby’s similar. I don't recall Kellie Pickler's family going on racists tirades, which Gabby Barrett's family has - just as recent as BLM - and also before that. But Gabby isn’t her family. Gabby is Gabby simple is that. If she chooses to not speak on it I’m ok with that. If your not ok with that then that’s ok. Don’t like her there’s artist I don’t like.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 12:20:30 GMT -5
Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. Can someone please reply to this in a nicer way than I will? Because if I do, I might get banned.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:23:39 GMT -5
This is a music board if I wanted to talk politics I’d be on a political board. I do not believe Gabby is racist. Now back to talking about music We know. You said if her family is racist, she should avoid talking about race issues with them to avoid making the news over it. That implies you are okay with racism. I just can’t. The fact that someone can have an, “opinion,” on race speaks volumes. You can be a fan and dislike whoever you want in the music industry. That’s the great thing about music. You got different genres and different artists to chose from. You can like and dislike whoever you want. The discussion isn’t about liking or disliking someone in music. It’s about being okay with racism, which you’ve said you are several ways now. I guess that’s the end of this particular discussion. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Khia on Jul 5, 2020 12:26:50 GMT -5
Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. You have a problem with people defacing Confederate monuments? And who the hell has been shot by BLM?
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Post by thesurf on Jul 5, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -5
Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. You are missing the point. Gabby came off as a sore loser when she was eliminated - to the point of accusing the show of rigging the votes. She got eliminated because she was all over the place with her performances.
And you obviously do not understand the intent behind BLM. That you are ok being called a racist speaks volumes.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 5, 2020 12:28:53 GMT -5
Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. Monuments of confederates that were built almost in direct retaliation of the Civil Rights Movement? Most built in the early to mid 1900s while blacks were being terrorized in their fight for equality? I’m sorry that’s so hard for you. All lives don’t matter UNTIL black lives matter.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:31:05 GMT -5
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. You have a problem with people defacing Confederate monuments? And who the hell has been shot by BLM? Yes you don’t have to agree with or like the monuments. But it’s wrong to tear them down and deface them. As far as BLM shooting have you not seen the news? It’s out there
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:32:01 GMT -5
Racism is NOT a political issue. And you did talk about it.
All we know about Gabby Barrett is that she has stayed silent with her family's racism. And she stayed silent with BLM.
This is the same person who accused American Idol of auto tuning her performances to make them sound worse and who said that it the show who chose the winner, not the voters. www.mjsbigblog.com/gabby-barrett-american-idol-execs-can-overrule-the-votes.htm
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. Okay, and what’s your opinion on cops killing black people?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:32:47 GMT -5
You have a problem with people defacing Confederate monuments? And who the hell has been shot by BLM? Yes you don’t have to agree with or like the monuments. But it’s wrong to tear them down and deface them. Why?
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:33:25 GMT -5
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. Monuments of confederates that were built almost in direct retaliation of the Civil Rights Movement? Most built in the early to mid 1900s while blacks were being terrorized in their fight for equality? I’m sorry that’s so hard for you. All lives don’t matter UNTIL black lives matter. All lives do matter race will always be a problem. And it’s on all sides black white Latino etc.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:34:50 GMT -5
Yes you don’t have to agree with or like the monuments. But it’s wrong to tear them down and deface them. Why? If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:36:15 GMT -5
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. Okay, and what’s your opinion on cops killing black people? My opinion on cops is they need more training. Most cops are good there’s bad apples in all professions.
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Post by Khia on Jul 5, 2020 12:36:26 GMT -5
If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya. So you have no actual reasoning behind this thought. Good to know.
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Post by taylor on Jul 5, 2020 12:37:59 GMT -5
Monuments of confederates that were built almost in direct retaliation of the Civil Rights Movement? Most built in the early to mid 1900s while blacks were being terrorized in their fight for equality? I’m sorry that’s so hard for you. All lives don’t matter UNTIL black lives matter. All lives do matter race will always be a problem. And it’s on all sides black white Latino etc. So in other words you're not only okay with racism, but you think white people can be the targets of racist attacks? LMAO. White people have oppressed black people and anyone else who isn't black for the past 400+ years. As such, white people by default can not possibly be the target of any racist attack or discrimination. We have the privilege to be able to walk outside without fearing it's the last breath we're going to take. The oppressor can't be oppressed.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:38:40 GMT -5
If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya. So you have no actual reasoning behind this thought. Good to know. Are you to immature to not understand actions like this is not ok? Peacefully protesting is fine. But tearing monuments down and defacing them is not ok. And it’s illegal
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:41:12 GMT -5
All lives do matter race will always be a problem. And it’s on all sides black white Latino etc. So in other words you're not only okay with racism, but you think white people can be the targets of racist attacks? LMAO. White people have oppressed black people and anyone else who isn't black for the past 400+ years. As such, white people by default can not possibly be the target of any racist attack or discrimination. We have the privilege to be able to walk outside without fearing it's the last breath we're going to take. The oppressor can't be oppressed. Whatever opinion you want makes no difference to me. We are all entitled to a opinion. I’m not racist but if you want to think I am. That’s fine God bless you anyway
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:42:06 GMT -5
If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya. That’s a pretty swift conclusion, especially since you avoided answering my question. Do I think toppling monuments is wrong? It depends on the situation. To use a clear example (I hope): If there was a Hitler monument somewhere, there needs to be a discussion about it. Statues stand as symbols of celebration so if there was a Hitler statue standing in a town square somewhere in Germany or wherever, it would be seen as a symbol of pride and celebration in Hitler and what he stood for and ‘accomplished’ during his reign. Now? The options here would be to: -topple the statue because what Hitler stood for and accomplished should not be celebrated. -add something to the monument to give it context. Maybe it’s an opposing statue, maybe it’s a ‘setting’, like placing metal bars around him to signify a jail cell. Maybe it’s an inscription that says why the statue was erected and why it was not taking down. It could serve as a reminder of where they’ve been and why they need to be reminded of that terrible time to avoid it again. Something to give it context. -move it to a museum or some place similar. Again, this has to do with giving it context. There are people who celebrate Hitler but Hitler was the direct cause of pain for many many people. Similarly, that’s why people have issues with so many statues and monuments today. Because to them, seeing a figure celebrated with pride through a statue is seeing the pain and torture of them and their ancestors also celebrated. So my question to you is: is okay to deface or topple a Hitler statue?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 5, 2020 12:45:34 GMT -5
If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya. You don’t really seem to care or know what these monuments represent, that’s the problem here. They represent pure evil. They represent slavery. They represent the will of the south (at the time) to continue stealing Africans from their homes to force them into eternal hard labor. They represent the incessant rapes of women of color. They represent the taking of children from their mothers sometimes as infants - never to see each other again. They represent the ideals of the KKK. They represent the systematic massacre of almost the entire native population that was here before us (Columbus, and other forefathers - not all confederate). They represent pure EVIL. There is nothing good that the confederacy represented, yet you’re here telling us you’re upset they’re being destroyed by the people whose oppression they LITERALLY represent. I’m tired.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:46:16 GMT -5
If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya. That’s a pretty swift conclusion, especially since you avoided answering my question. Do I think toppling monuments is wrong? It depends on the situation. To use a clear example (I hope): If there was a Hitler monument somewhere, there needs to be a discussion about it. Statues stand as symbols of celebration so if there was a Hitler statue standing in a town square somewhere in Germany or wherever, it would be seen as a symbol of pride and celebration in Hitler and what he stood for and ‘accomplished’ during his reign. Now? The options here would be to: -topple the statue because what Hitler stood for and accomplished should not be celebrated. -add something to the monument to give it context. Maybe it’s an opposing statue, maybe it’s a ‘setting’, like placing metal bars around him to signify a jail cell. Maybe it’s an inscription that says why the statue was erected and why it was not taking down. It could serve as a reminder of where they’ve been and why they need to be reminded of that terrible time to avoid it again. Something to give it context. -move it to a museum or some place similar. Again, this has to do with giving it context. There are people who celebrate Hitler but Hitler was the direct cause of pain for many many people. Similarly, that’s why people have issues with so many statues and monuments today. Because to them, seeing a figure celebrated with pride through a statue is seeing the pain and torture of them and their ancestors also celebrated. So my question to you is: is okay to deface or topple a Hitler statue? No it’s not ok to deface or topple hitler. But it is ok to protest it and have a conversation about it. It is ok to oppose it if that’s what you chose to do.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:48:37 GMT -5
If you think toppling monuments is not wrong. Then I don’t know what to tell ya because I can’t reason with ya. You don’t really seem to care or know what these monuments represent, that’s the problem here. They represent pure evil. They represent slavery. They represent the will of the south (at the time) to continue stealing Africans from their homes to force them into eternal hard labor. They represent the incessant rapes of women of color. They represent the taking of children from their mothers sometimes as infants - never to see each other again. They represent the ideals of the KKK. They represent the systematic massacre of almost the entire native population that was here before us. They represent pure EVIL. There is nothing good that the confederacy represented, yet you’re here telling us you’re upset they’re being destroyed by the people whose oppression they LITERALLY represent. I’m tired. Some of these monuments are past presidents. Even if they offend some people doesn’t mean completely erase history to satisfy a certain race. You can oppose things all you want to. Everyone has that right
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:51:17 GMT -5
That’s a pretty swift conclusion, especially since you avoided answering my question. Do I think toppling monuments is wrong? It depends on the situation. To use a clear example (I hope): If there was a Hitler monument somewhere, there needs to be a discussion about it. Statues stand as symbols of celebration so if there was a Hitler statue standing in a town square somewhere in Germany or wherever, it would be seen as a symbol of pride and celebration in Hitler and what he stood for and ‘accomplished’ during his reign. Now? The options here would be to: -topple the statue because what Hitler stood for and accomplished should not be celebrated. -add something to the monument to give it context. Maybe it’s an opposing statue, maybe it’s a ‘setting’, like placing metal bars around him to signify a jail cell. Maybe it’s an inscription that says why the statue was erected and why it was not taking down. It could serve as a reminder of where they’ve been and why they need to be reminded of that terrible time to avoid it again. Something to give it context. -move it to a museum or some place similar. Again, this has to do with giving it context. There are people who celebrate Hitler but Hitler was the direct cause of pain for many many people. Similarly, that’s why people have issues with so many statues and monuments today. Because to them, seeing a figure celebrated with pride through a statue is seeing the pain and torture of them and their ancestors also celebrated. So my question to you is: is okay to deface or topple a Hitler statue? No it’s not ok to deface or topple hitler. But it is ok to protest it and have a conversation about it. It is ok to oppose it if that’s what you chose to do. Is there a solution? If the statue MUST stand, knowing so many people are disturbed by it, what’s the solution?
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:53:55 GMT -5
No it’s not ok to deface or topple hitler. But it is ok to protest it and have a conversation about it. It is ok to oppose it if that’s what you chose to do. Is there a solution? If the statue MUST stand, knowing so many people are disturbed by it, what’s the solution? If I have a confederate flag flying outside my house. Is it ok for someone to try to remove it because there offended? Obviously They be going to jail for trespassing and vandalism of my property. Same thing goes for monuments.
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