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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:54:08 GMT -5
You don’t really seem to care or know what these monuments represent, that’s the problem here. They represent pure evil. They represent slavery. They represent the will of the south (at the time) to continue stealing Africans from their homes to force them into eternal hard labor. They represent the incessant rapes of women of color. They represent the taking of children from their mothers sometimes as infants - never to see each other again. They represent the ideals of the KKK. They represent the systematic massacre of almost the entire native population that was here before us. They represent pure EVIL. There is nothing good that the confederacy represented, yet you’re here telling us you’re upset they’re being destroyed by the people whose oppression they LITERALLY represent. I’m tired. Some of these monuments are past presidents. Even if they offend some people doesn’t mean completely erase history to satisfy a certain race. You can oppose things all you want to. Everyone has that right It’s not erasing history though. Books still exist. Hitler statues were toppled all over Germany and he is still remembered. Are black and indigenous people not people because those historical figures are part of their history too. If there was a man who raped your mother and her sisters, and had your father and his brothers chained and forced to do hard labor, but oh, he also donated $1 million to an orphanage and founded your city, would you be okay with that fact he was celebrated and every time your mother saw that statue she went into full blown panic attack because of PTSD?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:55:16 GMT -5
Is there a solution? If the statue MUST stand, knowing so many people are disturbed by it, what’s the solution? If I have a confederate flag flying outside my house. Is it ok for someone to try to remove it because there offended? Obviously They be going to jail for trespassing and vandalism of my property. Same thing goes for monuments. That’s not answering my question. What’s the solution? The statue stands and for some it’s a celebration, for other its oppression. Every single person is an equal American. What’s the solution?
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Post by seak05 on Jul 5, 2020 12:55:27 GMT -5
Well if you look at success between Gabby and Maddie poppy. Looks like the people choosing the winner today considering I hope is double Platinum. BLM I’ll be honest I’m not a supporter of the movement. Call me racist I really don’t care. But I believe all lives matter. And I don’t agree with BLM defacing and trying to topple monuments. I don’t agree with the people shot by BLM movements. I know all of them are not bad. But the rotten apples in the BLM movement’s certainly are giving the movement A bad name. Am I Racist no but a lot of people will say I am and that’s ok. I just think all lives matter if your offended by a pancake syrup you need help. Can someone please reply to this in a nicer way than I will? Because if I do, I might get banned. Racists are going to be racist, and they're going to pretend that they're not racist by calling it political. Since jessy is clearly racist, doesn't see the issue with glorying people who were enslavers and treasonous and thinks its an "opinion" I'm not sure there is a nice way to respond, or frankly any point in carrying on the conversation, since they have already shown who they are.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:56:06 GMT -5
Some of these monuments are past presidents. Even if they offend some people doesn’t mean completely erase history to satisfy a certain race. You can oppose things all you want to. Everyone has that right It’s not erasing history though. Books still exist. Hitler statues were toppled all over Germany and he is still remembered. Are black and indigenous people not people because those historical figures are part of their history too. If there was a man who raped your mother and her sisters, and had your father and his brothers chained and forced to do hard labor, but oh, he also donated $1 million to an orphanage and founded your city, would you be okay with that fact he was celebrated and every time your mother saw that statue she went into full blown panic attack because of PTSD? I wouldn’t live or go near that statue. I would avoid it
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 12:56:54 GMT -5
It’s not erasing history though. Books still exist. Hitler statues were toppled all over Germany and he is still remembered. Are black and indigenous people not people because those historical figures are part of their history too. If there was a man who raped your mother and her sisters, and had your father and his brothers chained and forced to do hard labor, but oh, he also donated $1 million to an orphanage and founded your city, would you be okay with that fact he was celebrated and every time your mother saw that statue she went into full blown panic attack because of PTSD? I wouldn’t live or go near that statue. I would avoid it It’s right in the middle of parking lot with the only Wal Mart and Chick Fil A in town. You can’t avoid it.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 12:59:14 GMT -5
Can someone please reply to this in a nicer way than I will? Because if I do, I might get banned. Racists are going to be racist, and they're going to pretend that they're not racist by calling it political. Since jessy is clearly racist, doesn't see the issue with glorying people who were enslavers and treasonous and thinks its an "opinion" I'm not sure there is a nice way to respond, or frankly any point in carrying on the conversation, since they have already shown who they are. Think of me as you wish I do not care. I didn’t start this conversation. I came here talking about music. That’s it and somehow I got attacked. But that’s ok I have thick skin and do not care what others think of me. Only God will judge me. That’s the only judgment that matters
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 5, 2020 13:01:11 GMT -5
Racists are going to be racist, and they're going to pretend that they're not racist by calling it political. Since jessy is clearly racist, doesn't see the issue with glorying people who were enslavers and treasonous and thinks its an "opinion" I'm not sure there is a nice way to respond, or frankly any point in carrying on the conversation, since they have already shown who they are. Think of me as you wish I do not care. I didn’t start this conversation. I came here talking about music. That’s it and somehow I got attacked. But that’s ok I have thick skin and do not care what others think of me. Only God will judge me. That’s the only judgment that matters I don’t think he takes kindly to racists, so good luck.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 13:02:15 GMT -5
Racists are going to be racist, and they're going to pretend that they're not racist by calling it political. Since jessy is clearly racist, doesn't see the issue with glorying people who were enslavers and treasonous and thinks its an "opinion" I'm not sure there is a nice way to respond, or frankly any point in carrying on the conversation, since they have already shown who they are. Think of me as you wish I do not care. I didn’t start this conversation. I came here talking about music. That’s it and somehow I got attacked. But that’s ok I have thick skin and do not care what others think of me. Only God will judge me. That’s the only judgment that matters Or what if someone erected a statue of Jesus on the cross but he’s wearing a dress and Mary has her head under his dress, depicting giving him a blowjob. It’s not graphic so nothing that shouldn’t be visible is visible, but it’s clear that’s what is being depicted. Should this statue be toppled?
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:02:41 GMT -5
If I have a confederate flag flying outside my house. Is it ok for someone to try to remove it because there offended? Obviously They be going to jail for trespassing and vandalism of my property. Same thing goes for monuments. That’s not answering my question. What’s the solution? The statue stands and for some it’s a celebration, for other its oppression. Every single person is an equal American. What’s the solution? Well if MAGA group toppled Obama statue it must be ok. Because it’s offensive to them right? If it is ok for some people then it must be ok for all people right? So if Andrew Jackson needs to be toppled so does Obama. I guess there shouldn’t be any monuments anywhere. Because someone maybe offended
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:04:29 GMT -5
Think of me as you wish I do not care. I didn’t start this conversation. I came here talking about music. That’s it and somehow I got attacked. But that’s ok I have thick skin and do not care what others think of me. Only God will judge me. That’s the only judgment that matters Or what if someone erected a statue of Jesus on the cross but he’s wearing a dress and Mary has her head under his dress, depicting giving him a blowjob. It’s not graphic so nothing that shouldn’t be visible is visible, but it’s clear that’s what is being depicted. Should this statue be toppled? The short answer is no it shouldn’t be toppled. But I would oppose it and make it clear that I don’t support it. That’s my right though.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 13:05:10 GMT -5
That’s not answering my question. What’s the solution? The statue stands and for some it’s a celebration, for other its oppression. Every single person is an equal American. What’s the solution? Well if MAGA group toppled Obama statue it must be ok. Because it’s offensive to them right? If it is ok for some people then it must be ok for all people right? So if Andrew Jackson needs to be toppled so does Obama. I guess there shouldn’t be any monuments anywhere. Because someone maybe offended Get the fuck out of here. You’re a racist piece of shit. And when you do, go read a fucking English book. You can’t spell or speak for shit. Someone who is so proud of their country writes worse than so many immigrants. Immigrants who speak English as a second or third language.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 13:05:55 GMT -5
That’s not answering my question. What’s the solution? The statue stands and for some it’s a celebration, for other its oppression. Every single person is an equal American. What’s the solution? Well if MAGA group toppled Obama statue it must be ok. Because it’s offensive to them right? If it is ok for some people then it must be ok for all people right? So if Andrew Jackson needs to be toppled so does Obama. I guess there shouldn’t be any monuments anywhere. Because someone maybe offended It isn’t even about someone being offended. If that’s the only argument you have, I hate to say it but it’s pretty weak. A statue doesn’t have to represent an entire population, but at the very least the person being celebrated shouldn’t have been an oppressor of an entire group of people. That’s literally the minimum. Anyone beyond that is okay. You don’t seem to get it because no one has been an oppressor against white people. Not even Obama.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:06:33 GMT -5
Well if MAGA group toppled Obama statue it must be ok. Because it’s offensive to them right? If it is ok for some people then it must be ok for all people right? So if Andrew Jackson needs to be toppled so does Obama. I guess there shouldn’t be any monuments anywhere. Because someone maybe offended Get the f**k out of here. You’re a racist piece of s**t. And when you do, go read a f**king English book. You can’t spell or speak for s**t. Someone who is so proud of their country writes worse than so many immigrants. Immigrants who speak English as a second or third language. Awww bless your heart you will be in my prayers. Saying cuss words doesn’t bother me. I don’t hate anyone
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Post by gardyfan on Jul 5, 2020 13:08:04 GMT -5
Get the f**k out of here. You’re a racist piece of s**t. And when you do, go read a f**king English book. You can’t spell or speak for s**t. Someone who is so proud of their country writes worse than so many immigrants. Immigrants who speak English as a second or third language. Awww bless your heart you will be in my prayers. Saying cuss words doesn’t bother me. I don’t hate anyone That's an outright lie.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 13:13:24 GMT -5
Get the f**k out of here. You’re a racist piece of s**t. And when you do, go read a f**king English book. You can’t spell or speak for s**t. Someone who is so proud of their country writes worse than so many immigrants. Immigrants who speak English as a second or third language. Awww bless your heart you will be in my prayers. Saying cuss words doesn’t bother me. I don’t hate anyone You do. I am white though so you probably still don't hate me.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:15:43 GMT -5
Awww bless your heart you will be in my prayers. Saying cuss words doesn’t bother me. I don’t hate anyone You do. I am white though so you probably still don't hate me. Nope don’t hate you or anyone else does not matter what color or gender you are.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 5, 2020 13:18:05 GMT -5
You do. I am white though so you probably still don't hate me. Nope don’t hate you or anyone else does not matter what color or gender you are. You’re just okay restricting where they go and how history portrays them and whether or not they can live.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 13:26:11 GMT -5
You do. I am white though so you probably still don't hate me. Nope don’t hate you or anyone else does not matter what color or gender you are. The contradictions I can't Your part of the reason why us people of color, whether black, brown, etc, are prevented from advancing in society due to the implications and receptions our races are viewed as by a lot of America The same people who will put us in a box of choice to represent who we are, what we we do, and how we live. All of which prevents us from advancing in this cruel world and has for centuries You disgust me
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Post by Fire on Jul 5, 2020 13:28:52 GMT -5
i have no idea what just happened but i felt myself lose brain cells.
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Post by GP on Jul 5, 2020 13:29:38 GMT -5
Get the f**k out of here. You’re a racist piece of s**t. And when you do, go read a f**king English book. You can’t spell or speak for s**t. Someone who is so proud of their country writes worse than so many immigrants. Immigrants who speak English as a second or third language. I don’t hate anyone Those people represented in those statues definitely did...
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:30:55 GMT -5
Anyway hope everyone is having a great Sunday
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 13:32:53 GMT -5
Anyway hope everyone is having a great Sunday Translation: I have nothing to back up my arguments when people who actually know what they're talking about start questioning me. I am going to go back into my racist hole and worry about Gabby not selling nearly as much as I had hoped and assumed.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:33:49 GMT -5
Anyway hope everyone is having a great Sunday Translation: I have nothing to back up my arguments when people who actually know what they're talking about start questioning me. I am going to go back into my racist hole and worry about Gabby not selling nearly as much as I had hoped and assumed. Welp your a pretty funny comedian
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Post by gardyfan on Jul 5, 2020 13:35:04 GMT -5
Translation: I have nothing to back up my arguments when people who actually know what they're talking about start questioning me. I am going to go back into my racist hole and worry about Gabby not selling nearly as much as I had hoped and assumed. Welp your a pretty funny comedian Actually he tells the truth.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:36:24 GMT -5
Gabby sold less then expected. But doesn’t mean she hasn’t broke streaming records. I believe she will do very well but needs single two to hit
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Post by dwindeezy on Jul 5, 2020 13:36:49 GMT -5
Her sales go to show that one hit doesn’t create an immediate following. You gotta pay your dues and make people buy into you. She’s definitely on the right track and think she could be huge.
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Post by jessy on Jul 5, 2020 13:38:21 GMT -5
Her sales go to show that one hit doesn’t create an immediate following. You gotta pay your dues and make people buy into you. She’s definitely on the right track and think she could be huge. Yes exactly plus the COVID-19 isn’t helping. Artist can’t tour hardly at all right now.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 5, 2020 13:39:50 GMT -5
Gabby sold less then expected. But doesn’t mean she hasn’t broke streaming records. I believe she will do very well but needs single two to hit "Call me a racist I don't care! I can live with it. But how dare you not bring up Gabby breaking records! That is where I draw the line!"
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 5, 2020 13:39:52 GMT -5
Okay, this has gone on long enough. I’ve gotten a few messages about this thread and finally took a look...most of the past +2 pages have nothing to do with “I Hope” and the back-and-forth on other topics have derailed the thread.
Report posts you think cross the line and staff will look into it. Locking this thread temporarily.
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Post by Albie on Jul 10, 2020 22:52:17 GMT -5
Unlocking this after 5 days. Hopefully everyone has freshened up on the rules.
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