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Post by SyrupBoy on Dec 17, 2003 13:34:20 GMT -5
Splintered debuts at #30 today. Considering Conspiracy Of One's #9 position wasn't good enough for Dexter, I fully expect him and the boys to stay true to their word and hang it up, sparing us from their crappy music for good.
I think I might even start a petition. Now, who's with me?
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Post by Ragin on Dec 17, 2003 13:48:40 GMT -5
I like them, but this latest album wasn't up to snuff. It was okay, but not their best effort.
Still, I want them to keep going, the album is still worth it for a few gems.
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Post by Rob64 on Dec 17, 2003 16:35:49 GMT -5
Maybe if they didn't make songs as crappy, poppy and novelty-ish as "Hit That", they'd debut higher.
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Post by Ragin on Dec 17, 2003 17:07:54 GMT -5
Maybe if they didn't make songs as crappy, poppy and novelty-ish as "Hit That", they'd debut higher. Uh, do you listen to Offspring much? ALL their hits sound like they are novelty. As far as the crappy goes, that's obviously a matter of opinion.....that happens to be shared since album sales are low. |
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Post by Matt4319 on Dec 17, 2003 17:15:22 GMT -5
I would have bought the album for $9.84 at Wal-Mart, but they only carried the edited version.
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Post by Ragin on Dec 17, 2003 17:19:49 GMT -5
I would have bought the album for $9.84 at Wal-Mart, but they only carried the edited version. It's OK. Best Buy had it for 11.00 or something. |
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Post by dragoneyez on Dec 17, 2003 18:36:18 GMT -5
If you listen to Hit That's lyrics, it's a really great song. Overall, the song is somewhere between mediocre and good. I don't think they should quit just because of one poorly performing album. If all bands and artists did that, a lot of great musicians wouldn't be here today.
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Post by artemis on Dec 17, 2003 18:37:52 GMT -5
No...all their hits are not novelty...How about Defy You, Self Esteem, Gone Away, Gotta Get Away, Come Out and Play does venture into novelty territory a bit. Now its their songs like Pretty Fly For A White Guy that prevents me from totally embracing this group. If they would just cut the schtick and stick to their more serious songs they would be successful because they did have a run of success with the songs I mentioned above.
Also you have to consider that radio is against playing any group that is from the 90s for the most part. All the bands with new material are all from the late 90s on as radio has rejected new material from bands like Live, Bush, Garbage, Cranberries, STP...the list goes on and on. Of course picking crap as the first single doesnt help their cause either.
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Post by Rob64 on Dec 17, 2003 18:45:51 GMT -5
That is exactly what I was about to post. The only real novelty songs the've had are some of their singles. I own 2 of their albums (their first 2) and they are GREAT CD's. "All I Want" is my favorite song of theirs. I also love "Gotta Get Away", "Gone Away", "Come out and play", "Self-Esteem" (I'm only mentiong songs that people know)
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Post by Matt4319 on Dec 17, 2003 18:45:58 GMT -5
No...all their hits are not novelty...How about Defy You, Self Esteem, Gone Away, Gotta Get Away, Come Out and Play does venture into novelty territory a bit. Now its their songs like Pretty Fly For A White Guy that prevents me from totally embracing this group. If they would just cut the schtick and stick to their more serious songs they would be successful because they did have a run of success with the songs I mentioned above. Don't forget "The Kids Aren't Alright". That might be my favorite song from them. |
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Post by halo19 on Dec 17, 2003 20:34:05 GMT -5
It's because of what Rob64 said mainly. However, "Hit That" is good, but in order to keep a sturdy fan base, you need to have more cred. They were losing it, since the time of "Fly". I hear that the album is a mixed bag, though. If they finally care more about making an album, and people realize, they won't fade away.
Kind of in the way that Korn had such horrible single choices, although I'll admit that for a week I've really been liking "Right Now"... If you don't get why, listen to it while you're pissed off.
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Dec 17, 2003 20:40:03 GMT -5
They might have their first ever alternative #1, so their popularity isn't quite waning. I think "hit that" will guarantee another album.
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Post by insect2 on Dec 17, 2003 20:50:50 GMT -5
I don't like the negative attitude of SyrupBoy's initial post.
And I really don't care whether or not their album is failing at this point. "Hit That" is insanely catchy, and I really like it.
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Post by Rob64 on Dec 17, 2003 21:17:34 GMT -5
"RIP: Offspring" is a very misleading topic title. I thought they broke up
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Post by SyrupBoy on Dec 18, 2003 1:59:09 GMT -5
I don't like the negative attitude of SyrupBoy's initial post. And I don't like the greedy, selfish, and arrogant attitude of Dexter Holland's original remarks about the future of the band. I'm not an Offspring fan (even though I do like a few of their singles), but if I was, I would be really turned off when learning of their true motivations for recording and releasing albums. I say good riddance. |
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Post by artemis on Dec 18, 2003 9:39:30 GMT -5
It came in at #30 or whatever but it did sell almost a 100K not that shabby for a non high profile band. What did their previous release sell the first week? It may have debuted in the top 10 but with sales under 100k. Anyone know?
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Post by SyrupBoy on Dec 18, 2003 11:36:50 GMT -5
It came in at #30 or whatever but it did sell almost a 100K not that shabby for a non high profile band. What did their previous release sell the first week? It may have debuted in the top 10 but with sales under 100k. Anyone know? sold 125,000 in its first week. Splintered sold 88,000. Dexter and company were clearly unhappy at the previous album's lack of sales, despite the fact that it went (or came close to going) platinum. If the new one sells half that, I'll be shocked. I was actually impressed with Defy You when it came out. I figured if that was the direction their new album was going, it might actually be bearable. Clearly though they're not ready to give up on the novelty single bandwagon. |
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Post by Ragin on Dec 18, 2003 12:04:46 GMT -5
Conspiracy Of One sold 125,000 in its first week. Splintered sold 88,000. Dexter and company were clearly unhappy at the previous album's lack of sales, despite the fact that it went (or came close to going) platinum. If the new one sells half that, I'll be shocked. I was actually impressed with Defy You when it came out. I figured if that was the direction their new album was going, it might actually be bearable. Clearly though they're not ready to give up on the novelty single bandwagon. Well, actually have you heard the rest of the album? One of my gripes is that there really weren't any other songs like Hit That on it. Maybe you'd like it. |
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Post by allow that on Dec 18, 2003 15:33:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the second single is slated to be yet? I was hoping they'd finally release something in the vein of "The Kids Aren't Alright Again."
I'd say their best chance of survival is a non-novelty second single.
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Post by BFMR on Dec 18, 2003 17:49:09 GMT -5
And I don't like the greedy, selfish, and arrogant attitude of Dexter Holland's original remarks about the future of the band. I'm not an Offspring fan (even though I do like a few of their singles), but if I was, I would be really turned off when learning of their true motivations for recording and releasing albums. I say good riddance. though i'm not all that sure about what Dexter said, i'd rather have someone be truthful then a total liar. How many times do we hear people say "i do this because i love music" then turn around and bitch because people download their music? If this was truly because of their "love" for music, they wouldn't be so vocal about their stance against downloading. Anyways, The Offspring are amongst the first bands to be in the punk/rock to stick around (think Green Day, Pearl Jam and Nirvana as other innovators of the genre commonly called "grunge") Like Rob said, many of their non-novelty hits such as my personal fave "All I Want", "Self-Esteem", "Come Out And Play", "The Kids Aren't Alright" etc. they all have a sticking point to where the song definately takes a page of reality, and it can very well relate to humans in general. |
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Post by arebomb on Dec 19, 2003 2:58:56 GMT -5
I just heard/saw "Hit That" for the first time on MTV2 the other day, and I have to say it is 50x better than "Original Prankster" even though it isn't as insanely catchy as some of their earlier efforts. Does anyone remember that 1 million dollar promotion that they did for their last CD? I bet the record company regrets that one.
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Post by EvanJ on Dec 19, 2003 20:10:27 GMT -5
They gave out a million dollars on TRL way after the album was released. The album had longevity but I still don't think it helped that much.
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Post by Radical347 on Dec 20, 2003 20:42:43 GMT -5
No...all their hits are not novelty...How about Defy You, Self Esteem, Gone Away, Gotta Get Away, Come Out and Play does venture into novelty territory a bit. The only one of those that's not novelty is "Gone Away"... possibly "Defy You" also. |
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Post by allow that on Dec 23, 2003 22:51:17 GMT -5
Has anyone heard "The Worst Hangover Ever"? It's definitely novelty, with really stupid lyrics. However, its actually not bad... it's got a great summer feel and reminds me of "Why Don't You Get A Job?" As long as you don't take it too serioulsy, give the song a try!
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Post by Tayzlor on Dec 24, 2003 12:23:13 GMT -5
I remember seeing "Neocon" going for adds in late September until "Hit That" later replaced it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2003 12:28:48 GMT -5
Has anyone heard "The Worst Hangover Ever"? It's definitely novelty, with really stupid lyrics. However, its actually not bad... it's got a great summer feel and reminds me of "Why Don't You Get A Job?" As long as you don't take it too serioulsy, give the song a try! It's better than "Hit That," but I still don't like it. The Offspring is capable of so much more and that's what makes these songs really bad. |
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Post by allow that on Dec 24, 2003 13:56:46 GMT -5
I just heard "Spare Me the Details." It's really lite, but it's good! I reccomendf!
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Post by artemis on Dec 25, 2003 8:47:25 GMT -5
Self Esteem and Gotta Get Away and definitely Defy You are not novelty songs. I dont know where you get that from  |
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Post by allow that on Dec 25, 2003 21:40:32 GMT -5
Self Esteem and Gotta Get Away and definitely Defy You are not novelty songs. I dont know where you get that from I agree. And I want to add "The Kids Aren't Alright" to this list too. |
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Post by Radical347 on Dec 27, 2003 1:29:40 GMT -5
Self Esteem and Gotta Get Away and definitely Defy You are not novelty songs. I dont know where you get that from I hope you're being sarcastic.  |
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