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Post by Maximillian on Jul 21, 2021 8:38:04 GMT -5
I know this may come as a shock to some, but people can like Olivia and Camila. *gasp*
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 21, 2021 8:41:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not getting all of the Olivia talk in here either. That has absolutely nothing to do with Camila or whether she is gonna be successful.
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2021 10:16:34 GMT -5
Yes, her single rollout was a mess and "SeΓ±orita" had to work overtime to save face for her last era.
But I don't think she's struggling per se? This will do fine if it's hot. Her team is great, save for the multiple dual releases and promo singles mistakes of Romance. She seems to be leaning into the latin market a la "Havana"/"SeΓ±orita".
Olivia is irrelevant to her success chances.
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Post by hitmakaontharise on Jul 21, 2021 10:23:25 GMT -5
Canβt say I have to much faith with her new music as Olivia Rodrigo has became the new face of pop for you youngins. While, lil nas is proving to be a huge force exploiting his sexuality upon the land. And ofc we have the unstoppable kpop clan BTS whose proven time and time again they are not to be played with. Also, boring Billie is dropping a heavy nap album.. Lot of competition for CC to try and βreignβ again LOL "Exploiting his sexuality" God forbid an open gay man be as explicit with his sexuality as straight artists are didnβt say it was a bad thing, Iβm saying heβs definitely using it to his advantage as far as other gay artist go such as Troye Sivan and Sam Smith.
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Post by Mayman on Jul 21, 2021 10:31:43 GMT -5
I'll definitely check this out. I enjoyed her debut album (especially Havana, NBTS, and SLC), but I lost interest and never checked out Romance besides the singles.
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2021 10:41:26 GMT -5
I'll definitely check this out. I enjoyed her debut album (especially Havana, NBTS, and SLC), but I lost interest and never checked out Romance besides the singles. To be fair if you include the promo singles, that was basically like 60% of the album lol.
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Post by HamedM1 π on Jul 21, 2021 10:42:11 GMT -5
Canβt say I have to much faith with her new music as Olivia Rodrigo has became the new face of pop for you youngins. While, lil nas is proving to be a huge force exploiting his sexuality upon the land. And ofc we have the unstoppable kpop clan BTS whose proven time and time again they are not to be played with. Also, boring Billie is dropping a heavy nap album.. Lot of competition for CC to try and βreignβ again LOL Oop the homophobia popped the f**k out in this one Anyone who liked this post too y'all please stay 50 ft away from anyone who isn't straight when your out in public, thanks. Also seriously wtf is with people acting like we can't have more than one big pop female star at the same time still. Anyways back in topic, I can see her manage hits with similar peaks to My Oh My and Never Be The Same, a major chart topper seems unlikely unless she pulls out some big guns.
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2021 10:50:36 GMT -5
I think it's worded very poorly but I don't think it's a stretch to say that Lil Nas is using his sexual identity for shock value and taking advantage of it, especially with the "MONTERO" video. There's nothing wrong with using your identity to your commercial advantage, especially because it's subversive, considering gay people have been marginalized for so long that it actually feels right that someone can now use that shock value and fake outrage to their advantage. And "HOLIDAY" did flop. It was make or break and I can't fault him for doing what he needed to do to keep his name on the spotlight. Plus the song and video are great.
But why is that wrong? It's not different from Rihanna using her sex appeal with the "Umbrella" video or Shakira using her latin heritage to add some flavor to her songs or Cardi and Meghan doing what they did with "WAP". It's just that with Camila it feels a little exploitative; before "Havana" she made no attempt to market herself as part of the latin market, but since the US keeps giving her #1 hits on that lane... I get it. And it's happened before. Her debut album was most likely just another generic pop album in the vein of Fifth Harmony/"Crying in the Club" before "Havana" smashed and they had to rework The Healing. The Loving. The Whatever into what we ended up getting.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 21, 2021 10:53:19 GMT -5
"Exploiting his sexuality" God forbid an open gay man be as explicit with his sexuality as straight artists are didnβt say it was a bad thing, Iβm saying heβs definitely using it to his advantage as far as other gay artist go such as Troye Sivan and Sam Smith. Okay but maybe don't say someone is "exploiting" their sexuality, especially in this LGBT context. It's tone deaf to say the least
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 21, 2021 10:59:38 GMT -5
Her last album rollout was such a disaster, I don't think we can use it as any kind of barometer for what will happen with this era. I don't think she has another "Havana" in her, but if the song is good and she has a cleaner rollout, she's gonna be fine. Going in on one song rather than the dual release is already a step up from that. I've seen her many appearances brought up as negative, but that's actually what you want your team to do. There was no direction at all with the appearances and performances true, but when your songs aren't flying at radio you want to be in front of people's faces to make up for it. She's not going to sustain a career with My Oh Mys either way.
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Post by Ty on Jul 21, 2021 11:05:07 GMT -5
didnβt say it was a bad thing, Iβm saying heβs definitely using it to his advantage as far as other gay artist go such as Troye Sivan and Sam Smith. Okay but maybe don't say someone is "exploiting" their sexuality, especially in this LGBT context. It's tone deaf to say the least I may be wrong because I'm not a native speaker, but I think "exploit" doesn't necessarily carry a bad cannotation? I'm inclined to believe he was using it in a very neutral sense i.e. Lil Nas X publicly represents himself as a full-blown gay artist and that contributes to his commercial success. Let's not be so quick to cancel another poster just because of that.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 21, 2021 11:12:56 GMT -5
I think βexploitβ does tend to be more negative but hitmakaontharise explained themselves so thereβs probably no need to make something out of nothing.
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Post by hitmakaontharise on Jul 21, 2021 11:27:59 GMT -5
Okay but maybe don't say someone is "exploiting" their sexuality, especially in this LGBT context. It's tone deaf to say the least I may be wrong because I'm not a native speaker, but I think "exploit" doesn't necessarily carry a bad cannotation? I'm inclined to believe he was using it in a very neutral sense i.e. Lil Nas X publicly represents himself as a full-blown gay artist and that contributes to his commercial success. Let's not be so quick to cancel another poster just because of that. Iβm glad some people on here get it
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 21, 2021 11:37:54 GMT -5
I think βexploitβ does tend to be more negative but hitmakaontharise explained themselves so thereβs probably no need to make something out of nothing. Self-exploitation is basically the same as "reclaiming" in a lot of contexts unless you're hypersensitive to the point where you can't read between any lines. A classic example is that scene from Express Yourself where Madonna's crawling. It's not exploitation in a negative sense because the person is choosing to do so. You're not disrespecting them by referring to it as exploitation, you're acknowledging their agency in what they're doing. It's just easier sometimes to call it a different word to avoid confusion, but it's the same thing.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2021 13:28:05 GMT -5
literally why was Lil Nas X even brought up and how is his sexuality related to Camila lmao
also let's not pretend "exploiting his sexuality" doesn't have a negative connotation, especially with the way that messy post was phrased. Lil Nas X is talented. he makes bops & he pairs creative and meaningful visuals with his music. sexual identity is naturally a focal theme of his work and it is reflected in his videos. his identity is not what makes him a "big force."
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 21, 2021 13:36:35 GMT -5
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 21, 2021 14:00:10 GMT -5
I'm one of the five people that actually liked Romance, so I'm pretty excited about this.
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Post by Maximillian on Jul 21, 2021 14:02:10 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that sheβs dropping a movie in a month. No doubt thatβs going to bring some extra eyes to this era.
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Post by HamedM1 π on Jul 21, 2021 14:06:04 GMT -5
Romance wasn't a bad album, it was a decent solid pop album with an abysmal rollout which just made it look bad.
I still use Liar, Shameless, Cry For Me, and Bad Kind Of Butterflies
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 21, 2021 14:13:39 GMT -5
Both of her albums have been solid imo, but both were mismanaged (beyond Havana). Consequences as the third (and final) single off her debut? Mess. Releasing 80% of Romance before the album dropped and then not even including My Oh My on the physical? Double mess.
I revisited Romance today and still enjoy: Liar, Shameless, Cry for Me, Easy, Living Proof, Should've Said It, My Oh My
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Post by Ty on Jul 21, 2021 14:14:08 GMT -5
I went from hating to liking "Shameless" and "Living Proof" because of the experimental sounds they incorporated. However, I feel like the rest of the album is for the most part just run of the mill materials. She's definitely found her musical identity with "Havana" and "Senorita" but I don't feel like she's offered anything deeper than what the public expects from the Latinpop sound. We'd like to see some more artistic growths with this new era.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 21, 2021 14:16:39 GMT -5
I liked all the tracks on Romance, but my favorite was actually Dream of You, trainwreck vocals and all. Unlike most, I like how it opted to focus on ballads, which is why I wish Anyone had stayed there.
Might because I expected her to be more of an uptempo act after FH, but I find Karla to be a surprisingly emotive singer.
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2021 14:17:26 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that sheβs dropping a movie in a month. No doubt thatβs going to bring some extra eyes to this era. An Amazon movie. With zero hype. I don't expect it to be a big deal (hence why she's dropping a single unrelated to it so close to it's release).
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Post by HamedM1 π on Jul 21, 2021 14:20:02 GMT -5
Lbr the only way that Cinderella movie would have gotten attention is if it were a Disney project but that already has happened and no one really moved
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 21, 2021 14:21:31 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that sheβs dropping a movie in a month. No doubt thatβs going to bring some extra eyes to this era. An Amazon movie. With zero hype. I don't expect it to be a big deal (hence why she's dropping a single unrelated to it so close to it's release). I wouldn't totally write it off based on Amazon now distributing it. There's a s**t ton of Prime members globally who they could spam the movie to (like they did with The Tomorrow War recently, which was pretty awful). Industry insiders have mentioned that Amazon is confident in the movie, apparently...
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Post by think pink. on Jul 21, 2021 15:43:09 GMT -5
βUsed To Thisβ was the best song on βRomanceβ. I hope she has more songs like it this era.
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 21, 2021 16:29:51 GMT -5
Shameless was my favorite from the Romance album.
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Post by istersay2000 on Jul 21, 2021 18:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jul 21, 2021 18:16:38 GMT -5
She & Caroline Polachek should have a talk lol
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Post by jodakyellow on Jul 21, 2021 18:54:16 GMT -5
Happy for you, but being added to 1 station doesn't mean much; a non-single gets a random loose add or two all the time.
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