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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Mar 1, 2023 21:10:45 GMT -5
Will the academy award SZA AOTY to make up for how they treated Beyoncé? doubtful. I see SOS being nominated, but if the most commercially and critically impactful black woman this side of the 21st century can't gather the votes, I don't have super high hopes for SZA, especially when you have Taylor (and potentially Miley and Dua) in the conversation. Midnights is probably the frontrunner. tbh I feel like the best bet for a black woman winning AOTY before my hair turns gray is probably Lizzo. If she can put out another album that spawns 3+ hits she could possibly defy the odds. The only thing that may work in her favor is that her image and narrative is so centered around her songwriting, and that’s always been the most questionable thing about Beyoncé to Grammy voters. The credits don’t look like a novel. I’m not optimistic though.
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Post by andrebra on Mar 2, 2023 1:25:42 GMT -5
I think SOS might fair better simply because of how much better it’s doing commercially than Renaissance. I don’t think Harry’s House would have won if it wasn’t for its commercial success and SOS is having a Bad Bunny-type behemoth of a run. Hoping for the best!
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Post by Night Senses on Mar 23, 2023 16:22:45 GMT -5
SZA will be winning multiple GRAMMYs, regardless of category, that’s all I know. She should be taking home at least three on my wish list. As for AOTY, I don’t think it’s been released yet, but SZA’s nomination is secured and she would be a fantastic winner. I don’t see how she misses nominations in ROTY and SOTY.
Hopefully, they keep ignoring Morgan Wallen. Always give it to someone else, please.
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Post by Envoirment on Apr 6, 2023 16:44:23 GMT -5
Perhaps some big releases are coming up in early-mid September which haven't been announced yet?
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Post by rnb on Apr 6, 2023 17:18:24 GMT -5
yeah i don’t know what the fuck the grammys are doin
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Apr 7, 2023 10:37:07 GMT -5
Lol I 100% think they did it, some heavyweight label with a key release or two during that period was like EXCUSE ME and they compromised.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 7, 2023 11:20:53 GMT -5
Maybe it's when the new Adele album is coming.
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Post by Mike on Jun 13, 2023 8:06:50 GMT -5
GIVE US THE BEST POP SONG GRAMMY YOU COWARDS!!
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Post by irice22 on Jun 14, 2023 14:01:37 GMT -5
What kind of songs will be up for Pop Dance recording? Assuming the pop vocals and dance recording will still be categories.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 14, 2023 14:53:28 GMT -5
Songwriter of the year is now among the general categories.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Jun 14, 2023 22:01:05 GMT -5
What kind of songs will be up for Pop Dance recording? Assuming the pop vocals and dance recording will still be categories. "Recognizes tracks and singles that feature up-tempo, danceable music that follows a pop arrangement. Eligible Pop Dance recordings also feature strong rhythmic beats and significant electronic-based instruments with an emphasis on the vocal performance, melody and hooks. Dance remixes are eligible in the Best Remixed Recording Category only and may not be entered in Best Pop Dance Recording." Hollywood Reporter said the category would give pop artists who make dance-influenced music a chance to be nominated without having to compete against actual dance/electronic artists. So basically this is an award for dance songs that chart. If it had existed last year, Break My Soul by Beyonce and Blue by David Guetta and Bebe Rexha would likely have won/been nominated there instead of in Best Dance/Electronic Recording. This category would have been most useful and competitive in 2009-2013. Not so much now (I mean, should we just go ahead and ship the thing to Dua Lipa? It feels like we should), and I certainly wouldn't have prioritized it over a Pop Song award.
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Post by dbhmr on Jun 15, 2023 10:31:14 GMT -5
It's like they waited to drop that category so didn't have to give Katy Perry a Grammy +1 to needing a Pop Song category. I want "pop vocal" to be a vocal competition lol.
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Post by kimberly on Jun 15, 2023 13:11:18 GMT -5
It's like they waited to drop that category so didn't have to give Katy Perry a Grammy :giggle: +1 to needing a Pop Song category. I want "pop vocal" to be a vocal competition lol. for clarification, there's no "Pop Vocal" category for songs. there's a "Pop Vocal Album" category, and the use of the word "vocal" there is to distinguish it from "instrumental" albums (so while vocal gymnastics can and should be something voters consider, it's not the sole/main criteria—having any vocals at all is). adding a Pop Song category could be quite redundant, given that Song of the Year is already meant to reward "popular" songwriting—even when the genre isn't technically pop, can we really argue that anything that's recognized isn't somehow part of the pop music zeitgeist? I imagine they're hesitant to add this category because it might give an unfair advantage to certain artists and songwriters and beef up their Grammy tallies quickly. it's already annoying that SOTY and ROTY tend to be a bundle deal most years. throwing in Pop Song in the mix might yield disappointing results for everyone but the artists that sweep all three, lol. I guess we'll never know if they never try it, but that's my guess as to why it won't be happening soon.
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Post by dbhmr on Jun 15, 2023 14:21:56 GMT -5
It's like they waited to drop that category so didn't have to give Katy Perry a Grammy +1 to needing a Pop Song category. I want "pop vocal" to be a vocal competition lol. for clarification, there's no "Pop Vocal" category for songs. there's a "Pop Vocal Album" category, and the use of the word "vocal" there is to distinguish it from "instrumental" albums (so while vocal gymnastics can and should be something voters consider, it's not the sole/main criteria—having any vocals at all is). adding a Pop Song category could be quite redundant, given that Song of the Year is already meant to reward "popular" songwriting—even when the genre isn't technically pop, can we really argue that anything that's recognized isn't somehow part of the pop music zeitgeist? I imagine they're hesitant to add this category because it might give an unfair advantage to certain artists and songwriters and beef up their Grammy tallies quickly. it's already annoying that SOTY and ROTY tend to be a bundle deal most years. throwing in Pop Song in the mix might yield disappointing results for everyone but the artists that sweep all three, lol. I guess we'll never know if they never try it, but that's my guess as to why it won't be happening soon. I guess I think the opposite--not having a specific Pop Song category makes it easier to dominate ROTY/SOTY with pop songs to make sure those big hits get recognized. If there was a category for those big pop songs, theoretically I could see there being more variety in ROTY/SOTY (theoretically only I suppose because the Academy is...). And while I know that's the distinction for Pop Vocal, I just want a category designed to reward vocals vocals lol.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Jun 15, 2023 21:10:32 GMT -5
for clarification, there's no "Pop Vocal" category for songs. there's a "Pop Vocal Album" category, and the use of the word "vocal" there is to distinguish it from "instrumental" albums (so while vocal gymnastics can and should be something voters consider, it's not the sole/main criteria—having any vocals at all is). adding a Pop Song category could be quite redundant, given that Song of the Year is already meant to reward "popular" songwriting—even when the genre isn't technically pop, can we really argue that anything that's recognized isn't somehow part of the pop music zeitgeist? I imagine they're hesitant to add this category because it might give an unfair advantage to certain artists and songwriters and beef up their Grammy tallies quickly. it's already annoying that SOTY and ROTY tend to be a bundle deal most years. throwing in Pop Song in the mix might yield disappointing results for everyone but the artists that sweep all three, lol. I guess we'll never know if they never try it, but that's my guess as to why it won't be happening soon. I guess I think the opposite--not having a specific Pop Song category makes it easier to dominate ROTY/SOTY with pop songs to make sure those big hits get recognized. If there was a category for those big pop songs, theoretically I could see there being more variety in ROTY/SOTY (theoretically only I suppose because the Academy is...). It is also worth pointing out that five of the past six SOTY winners have been non-pop songs. This is likely an indirect result of the Grammys' increased efforts to pretend to address their diversity issues, but it's having the side effect of going from pop writers getting too much precedence over writers in other genres to them having less of a chance of winning anything (if not for the general field being expanded to 10 nominees, it would probably be harder to even get nominee recognition in some years). Prior to that, my opinion on it was similar to yours. Personally I always found the concept that SOTY is the de facto 'pop song' category really insulting to every other genre. We know how much of the general public, and most artists themselves, perceive the non-general awards as being 'filler' awards/not as important as being recognized in the general field. There's not supposed to be a genre preference in any of those categories - and this is why people continue to get bent out of shape at black women being ignored for so long in AOTY - so I see no reason why one wouldn't find it just as problematic that the Grammys was effectively saying 'pop songwriters are inherently more important to honor with a general field win than writers in any other genre.' If they really thought SOTY = pop then they should have moved it out of the general field entirely and to the pop genre field to properly reflect where it belonged. This all circles back to one my bigger complaints with the Grammys as a whole though (the show itself dilutes its own credibility by placing so much emphasis on the general field that genre fields look overcrowded and meaningless to a casual observer) and that's a whole other tangent. Either way I look at it, the pop field is never going to feel truly balanced to me without a pop song award. Of course, I'm sure we'd complain about the winners if it did exist, but we do that for every category anyway lol.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 16, 2023 9:41:26 GMT -5
I like this rule change, but it's wild how often they change the criteria for this category. It's seen so many variations over the years. I've never liked when someone who is a small part of 1 song gets a damn AOTY Grammy. It's like they waited to drop that category so didn't have to give Katy Perry a Grammy +1 to needing a Pop Song category. I want "pop vocal" to be a vocal competition lol. for clarification, there's no "Pop Vocal" category for songs. there's a "Pop Vocal Album" category, and the use of the word "vocal" there is to distinguish it from "instrumental" albums (so while vocal gymnastics can and should be something voters consider, it's not the sole/main criteria—having any vocals at all is). adding a Pop Song category could be quite redundant, given that Song of the Year is already meant to reward "popular" songwriting—even when the genre isn't technically pop, can we really argue that anything that's recognized isn't somehow part of the pop music zeitgeist? I imagine they're hesitant to add this category because it might give an unfair advantage to certain artists and songwriters and beef up their Grammy tallies quickly. With that logic, though, doesn't it mean Pop Album is also redundant? I've never understood the lack of a Pop Song category when 'Pop' categories exist for album and solo/vocal.
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Post by kimberly on Jun 16, 2023 11:03:14 GMT -5
for clarification, there's no "Pop Vocal" category for songs. there's a "Pop Vocal Album" category, and the use of the word "vocal" there is to distinguish it from "instrumental" albums (so while vocal gymnastics can and should be something voters consider, it's not the sole/main criteria—having any vocals at all is). adding a Pop Song category could be quite redundant, given that Song of the Year is already meant to reward "popular" songwriting—even when the genre isn't technically pop, can we really argue that anything that's recognized isn't somehow part of the pop music zeitgeist? I imagine they're hesitant to add this category because it might give an unfair advantage to certain artists and songwriters and beef up their Grammy tallies quickly. With that logic, though, doesn't it mean Pop Album is also redundant? I've never understood the lack of a Pop Song category when 'Pop' categories exist for album and solo/vocal. no, Pop Vocal Album is an award that mainly goes to the performer (and any producers that worked on over 51% of the album). it doesn't reward songwriting even if someone wrote on every single song on the album. that's a major difference between genre awards and general field for albums. plus, AOTY is a more diverse category than SOTY. since 2010, SOTY award went to Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 hits in 12 out of 14 years, majority being pop songs or pop-adjacent. since 2010, AOTY award went to pop albums only about half the time. (and 4 of those were Taylor Swift and Adele albums.) I don't know though, I'm just playing devil's advocate to find a reason why there hasn't been a pop song category. I'm personally not against the idea, especially with them adding a Dance Pop Song category now. perhaps they view it as their solution for the "missing" pop song category?
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Post by Choco on Jun 16, 2023 11:22:45 GMT -5
This thing has like 300 categories, I don't see how rewarding a Pop Song is any less deserving than rewarding album liner notes. Last year SOTY went to Bonnie Raitt instead of like 5 pop nominees, so SOTY isn't meant to reward Pop music per se.
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Post by Ryan on Jun 29, 2023 10:41:00 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=336579&title=GRAMMYS-SET-DATESGRAMMYS SET DATESThe Recording Academy has some dates for you to circle on your calendars: Nominations for the 66th annual Grammy Awards will be announced 11/10. The Academy has some other key dates and deadlines. The Grammy Awards, for music released during the eligibility period of 10/1/22 to 9/15/23, will take place 2/4 at Crypto.com Arena in Los Angeles. CBS will air the show. Here is the rest of the schedule: 7/17-8/31 Online Entry Period 10/11-20 First Round Voting 12/14–1/4 Final Round Voting
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Post by recordyear on Jul 14, 2023 10:00:14 GMT -5
Paul Grein's Grammys 2024 Big Four predictions article. www.billboard.com/music/awards/grammy-predictions-2024-big-four-categories-1235370211/Album of the Year Boygenius, The Record Drake & 21 Savage, Her Loss Lana Del Rey, Did You Know That There’s a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd Foo Fighters, But Here We Are Olivia Rodrigo, Guts SZA, SOS Taylor Swift, Midnights Morgan Wallen, One Thing at a Time Within Reach: Luke Combs, Gettin’ Old; Miley Cyrus, Endless Summer Vacation; Jelly Roll, Whitsitt Chapel; Noah Kahan, Stick Season; Karol G, Mañana Será Bonito; Lil Baby, It’s Only Me; Metro Boomin, Heroes & Villains; Janelle Monáe, The Age of Pleasure; Paramore, This Is Why; Ed Sheeran, – (Subtract); Sam Smith, Gloria; Tanya Tucker, Sweet Western Sound; Lainey Wilson, Bell Bottom Country
Record of the Year Miley Cyrus, “Flowers” Luke Combs, “Fast Car” Lil Durk & J. Cole, “All My Life” PinkPantheress & Ice Spice, “Boy’s a Liar, Pt. 2” Rihanna, “Lift Me Up” SZA, “Kill Bill” Taylor Swift, “Anti-Hero” Morgan Wallen, “Last Night” Within Reach: Zach Bryan featuring Maggie Rogers, “Dawns”; Lana Del Rey, “A&W”; Jelly Roll, “Need a Favor”; Labrinth, “Never Felt So Alone”; Coi Leray, “Players”; Lil Uzi Vert, “Just Wanna Rock”; Dua Lipa, “Dance the Night”; Janelle Monáe, “Lipstick Lover”; Paramore, “This Is Why”; P!nk, “Trustfall”; Olivia Rodrigo, “Vampire”; Ed Sheeran, “Eyes Closed”; Toosii, “Favorite Song”; Tanya Tucker & Brandi Carlile, “Ready As I’ll Never Be”
Song of the Year “A&W” Songwriters: Lana Del Rey, Jack Antonoff, Sam Dew “All My Life” Songwriters: Lil Durk, J. Cole, Dr. Luke, Rocco Did It Again!, Ryan OG, LunchMoney Lewis, Theron “Uptown AP” Thomas “Anti-Hero” Songwriters: Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff “Flowers” Songwriters: Miley Cyrus, Gregory “Aldae” Hein, Michael Pollack “Kill Bill” Songwriters: SZA, Carter Lang, Rob Bisel “Lift Me Up” Songwriters: Ludwig Göransson, Rihanna, Tems, Ryan Coogler “Need a Favor” Songwriters: Jelly Roll, Rob Ragosta, Joe Ragosta, Austin Nivarel “Ready As I’ll Never Be” Songwriters: Brandi Carlile, Tanya Tucker Within Reach: “Boy’s a Liar, Pt. 2,” PinkPantheress & Ice Spice; “Dance the Night,” Dua Lipa; “Dawns,” Zach Bryan featuring Maggie Rogers; “Eyes Closed,” Ed Sheeran; “Growin’ Up and Gettin’ Old,” Luke Combs; “Last Night,” Morgan Wallen; “Lipstick Lover,” Janelle Monáe; “Never Felt So Alone,” Labrinth; “Players,” Coi Leray; “Thank God,” Kane Brown & Kaitlyn Brown; “This Is Why,” Paramore; “Trustfall,” P!nk; “Vampire,” Olivia Rodrigo
Best New Artist Gracie Abrams Ice Spice Jelly Roll Coco Jones Noah Kahan PinkPantheress Peso Pluma Bailey Zimmerman Within Reach: Lola Brooke, Doechii, Fifty Fifty, FLO, HARDY, JVKE, Kelela, RAYE, Rema, Toosii, The War and Treaty, Hailey Whitters
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Post by Future Captain on Jul 14, 2023 18:08:48 GMT -5
I think Taylor sending Cruel Summer (Live) or something like that for nomination will be really funny. Obviously that's not gonna happen bc there's no way she'll split the vote for Anti-Hero like that but the possibility is not zero
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Jul 18, 2023 6:25:50 GMT -5
I think Taylor sending Cruel Summer (Live) or something like that for nomination will be really funny. Obviously that's not gonna happen bc there's no way she'll split the vote for Anti-Hero like that but the possibility is not zero Idk, the temptation of having material from three different albums nominated in the same year might be too much for her to resist. I could see her sending a live/remix version of CS to pop solo, Anti-Hero (and/or Karma) to the general field, and I Can See You to Music Video. I also wouldn't put it past her to come up with a CS mix that was eligible for the new pop dance recording category.
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Post by colson on Sept 7, 2023 2:29:17 GMT -5
^Unbelievable. They don't call it the Scammys for nothing.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Sept 7, 2023 20:24:32 GMT -5
Damn shame Mason Jr even backed it up smh.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 7, 2023 21:24:27 GMT -5
The Weeknd called it.
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Post by myhouse911 on Sept 8, 2023 2:24:32 GMT -5
So, is the AI generated song just eligible for songwriting categories or..? If they're letting AI into performance categories, then they might as well give Milli Vanilli back their grammy.
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Post by kimberly on Sept 8, 2023 2:48:08 GMT -5
So, is the AI generated song just eligible for songwriting categories or..? If they're letting AI into performance categories, then they might as well give Milli Vanilli back their grammy. I think that song specifically is eligible because it was written and produced by a real person who used AI to emulate Drake and Abel's vocals. it's like a special filter/effect put on a song. (whether it's ethical is up for debate.) an "AI generated song" would not ever be eligible, I'd hope.
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