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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 1, 2023 6:45:12 GMT -5
And what in the world does that have to do with anything? Luke Combs got called out for confederate flag imagery, apologized and swore to never use it again? Good on him! Once again, it's just a cover song. The only thing Luke owes Chapman is her licensing fee and royalties. Besides, he's absolutely praised the song and her multiple times.
You can't even make a decent argument, your posts are reading like some kind of SJW buzzword bingo. "Cisgender," CHECK. "Erasure," CHECK. "Black," CHECK. "White," CHECK. "Male," CHECK. "Privilege," CHECK. "LGBTQ+," CHECK. You are actively looking for reasons to be offended by this, but it has no basis in reality or rational thought. And quite frankly, not a single moment comes off as genuine. You thought you were making some YAAAAASSS QWEEN argument for Chapman probably based on some ridiculous online exchange you saw. Now that you've been called to the floor to defend it, you've doubled and tripled down like you always do but still haven't made a single solid point.
After all the messiness that's gone down around here with Morgan/Jason/Travis recently, I don't think anybody is in the mood to entertain your dramatics about this 100% non-issue.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Aug 1, 2023 7:49:28 GMT -5
Luke is a fan of Tracy's music and Fast Car, so he decided to cover it. He asked for permission, she agreed, he used Tracy's original lyrics and credited her, the cover is a huge hit, Tracy gets big money from it and probably new fans/listeners. She even said this: "I never expected to find myself on the country charts, but Iβm honored to be there. Iβm happy for Luke and his success and grateful that new fans have found and embraced 'Fast Car.'"
I'd understand your frustration if 1) Fast Car wasn't a monster hit back in the day; 2) Fast Car was a country song that never made the country charts, but now it is because it's covered by a white male...but even that isn't Luke's problem.
Tracy wrote a classic and one of the most recognizable 80s songs, which is still relevant after 35 years and Luke is one of the biggest country artists right now (even before Fast Car) who got his highest-charting hit so far, it's a win win situation. BUT ofc, if you feel that way, it's totally fine and you have every right to do so.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 1, 2023 8:21:03 GMT -5
Did Luke post his daily obligatory gratitude to Tracy on social media yet today? He better not miss one day lest we deem him ungrateful and not giving enough credit to where credit is due.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 1, 2023 8:23:49 GMT -5
Enough with the damn identity politics, already. CASE CLOSED. Sure is.
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Post by Daenerys on Aug 1, 2023 11:43:51 GMT -5
I love everyone in this thread so much. lol.
Streaming both versions of Fast Car rn to show my appreciation of this discourse.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Aug 1, 2023 14:13:31 GMT -5
You can't even make a decent argument, your posts are reading like some kind of SJW buzzword bingo. "Cisgender," CHECK. "Erasure," CHECK. "Black," CHECK. "White," CHECK. "Male," CHECK. "Privilege," CHECK. "LGBTQ+," CHECK. You are actively looking for reasons to be offended by this, but it has no basis in reality or rational thought. And quite frankly, not a single moment comes off as genuine. You thought you were making some YAAAAASSS QWEEN argument for Chapman probably based on some ridiculous online exchange you saw. Now that you've been called to the floor to defend it, you've doubled and tripled down like you always do but still haven't made a single solid point. After all the messiness that's gone down around here with Morgan/Jason/Travis recently, I don't think anybody is in the mood to entertain your dramatics about this 100% non-issue. I will make sure I whip out the dictionary and thesaurus for future arguments just so I have different words just for you!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 1, 2023 15:00:53 GMT -5
This baseless attempt to slander Luke Combs because he's a cis white man covering a queer black woman's song is a perfect example of exactly why we see things like "Try That in a Small Town" blow up into such a huge hit. Throwing cancel culture around constantly with careless abandon completely defeats all of its purpose and just gives easy ammo to the other side. Luke has been very straightforward in his admiration for the song, it blew up on its own and forced his/his label's hand into having to release it as a proper single as bboat11 explained, and ultimately Tracy herself has gone on record saying positive things about Luke's cover. This is a total non-issue.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 1, 2023 16:49:32 GMT -5
Considering the market share for rap-R&B is still very large, I donβt see country music overtaking rap anytime soon.
Rock has actually been the biggest gainer in terms of consumption out of all genres thus far, with rap coming in second. The overall consumption for rap has declined slightly in comparison to last year though, but I suppose thatβs because the lack of interesting releases.
Travisβ UTOPIA and Drakeβs next project will surely increase those numbers though.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Aug 1, 2023 17:03:49 GMT -5
This baseless attempt to slander Luke Combs because he's a cis white man covering a queer black woman's song is a perfect example of exactly why we see things like "Try That in a Small Town" blow up into such a huge hit. Throwing cancel culture around constantly with careless abandon completely defeats all of its purpose and just gives easy ammo to the other side. Luke has been very straightforward in his admiration for the song, it blew up on its own and forced his/his label's hand into having to release it as a proper single as bboat11 explained, and ultimately Tracy herself has gone on record saying positive things about Luke's cover. This is a total non-issue. On the bolded point, I also want to point out that the legality for sampling a song is different from that of covering a song. For a sample or interpolation, you have to seek permission from the rights holders even if you don't plan on making your song a single. But when you record a cover, you are only required to send notice to the copyright holders before releasing the record, which gives them a heads up to expect some royalties from another source. You don't actually have to seek their approval to record that cover or to perform it at one of your shows. You do have to seek permission from the copyright holders if you want to promote the cover as a single with a video or perform it on tv. The rule for covers applies to parodies as well. Most likely, Tracy's stance is that she does not like samples, but she is appreciative of covers because a cover song inherently draws attention to the original piece in its entirety (whereas a sample just takes an element of it and often doesn't have that same impact for the original song/artist). This is why Nicki was told no but Luke was told yes. I would also guess that the label only reached out for permission after the song started taking off on its own and they wanted to take advantage of the momentum, which also helped Luke's case because Tracy was able to see how it was already a net positive for her (i.e. people were immediately connecting the cover back to her, the OG artist). As to the original topic of this thread, I don't understand why country and hip-hop are being implicitly posed as arch-rival genres that can't coexist on the charts. I mean.... *squints eyes and looks at current Hot 100 chart* looks like they're coexisting right now? 'The top 3 is all country, hip-hop is dying soon' is a rather extreme take. There haven't been a lot of big A-list releases in hip-hop this year and the few 'big' names didn't put out music that immediately grabbed mainstream attention, so the genre feels quieter than normal. There are hits there but like...normal top 10 hits, not 10+ week #1s that piss off the pop girls whose faves are getting blocked. It's fine.
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Post by Koochie on Aug 1, 2023 18:37:33 GMT -5
Girl artists sample songs everyday, as long as proper credit and approval is given there shouldn't be an issue of any sort. I mean if that's the case then David Guetta would be the subject of at least 68 different lawsuits. Nicki Minaj had tried to sample "Fast Car" and Tracy didn't allow it. Yet she let Luke Combs cover itβ¦ π€
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Post by After Minutes on Aug 3, 2023 13:47:59 GMT -5
*That Norman Rockwell painting*
I don't think Luke Combs who is literally just some dude is as bad as a man singing in support of killing protestors
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Post by krissirge on Aug 4, 2023 2:24:07 GMT -5
Things I learned thanks to the Luke Combs (i guess). Fast Car apparently is not just a pretty-well-remembered 80's hit ,but rather one of the most important songs of the 80s.
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Post by Codex on Aug 4, 2023 4:28:20 GMT -5
do the same posters also care that a 2015 trop pop cover sung by a white British woman was a huge smash all over Europe? Lol
Over a billion streams on Spotify alone. (Probably bigger than the Luke Combs version will end up being). Are they also racist?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 7:03:58 GMT -5
Just to make the convo a bit broader for a moment...
How much do we think this might be a factor? Apple Music used to be more popular, but growth has really waned compared with Spotify since before the pandemic. With Hip Hop being more popular on Apple Music, slower growth on the platform might lead directly to lower comparative chart positions.
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Post by Codex on Aug 4, 2023 9:10:36 GMT -5
I just realised this was his original reaction But I will say that this is actually a really well done cover and I would love for this to do well so he can take over and be the hot Country guy at the moment instead of that racist bigot Morgan Wallen. social media really does poison the mind
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Aug 4, 2023 10:51:23 GMT -5
I just realised this was his original reaction But I will say that this is actually a really well done cover and I would love for this to do well so he can take over and be the hot Country guy at the moment instead of that racist bigot Morgan Wallen. social media really does poison the mind This was before I found out that he erased Tracy Chapman from the equation. do the same posters also care that a 2015 trop pop cover sung by a white British woman was a huge smash all over Europe? Lol Over a billion streams on Spotify alone. (Probably bigger than the Luke Combs version will end up being). Are they also racist? The specific cover was awful, because the singer sounded like she was literally reading the lyrics off of a paper. She seemed to have no connection with the actual song. She couldβve been literally reading the phonebook, and it wouldβve had the same impact. It was very mechanical and cold. There was absolutely no impact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 11:30:09 GMT -5
I assume you missed this Billboard article. I'm not really sure what else you could ask for. On top of that she's probably getting more money off of this than he is.
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 4, 2023 11:44:09 GMT -5
This was before I found out that he erased Tracy Chapman from the equation. I have read every post an piece of evidence to the contrary. I am somehow not surprised that you haven't. I would be further unsurprised if you actively chose to ignore those posts and pretend they didn't exist.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 4, 2023 11:55:43 GMT -5
I wonder whoβs listed as the songwriter of it on Lukeβs CDβs liner notes?
βFast Carβ songwriter unknown
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Aug 4, 2023 17:11:29 GMT -5
This was before I found out that he erased Tracy Chapman from the equation. I have read every post an piece of evidence to the contrary. I am somehow not surprised that you haven't. I would be further unsurprised if you actively chose to ignore those posts and pretend they didn't exist. I had no idea about the Billboard article. That article reads like a PR fluff piece though. Good way to get ahead of culture vulture accusations but itβs not in a place that is entirely visible or obvious. I mean, I had no idea that βwe donβt talk about Brunoβ came from a movie until I researched it. I guess Iβm not the intended demographic.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 5, 2023 9:12:36 GMT -5
Remember when this thread was about country music's rise in streaming versus hip-hop's stagnation?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 5, 2023 9:59:30 GMT -5
I have read every post an piece of evidence to the contrary. I am somehow not surprised that you haven't. I would be further unsurprised if you actively chose to ignore those posts and pretend they didn't exist. I had no idea about the Billboard article. That article reads like a PR fluff piece though. Good way to get ahead of culture vulture accusations but itβs not in a place that is entirely visible or obvious. I mean, I had no idea that βwe donβt talk about Brunoβ came from a movie until I researched it. I guess Iβm not the intended demographic. So basically, you don't know what you're talking about. You Know you don't know what you're talking about and you're just making shit up.
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Post by neel on Aug 5, 2023 12:50:23 GMT -5
Remember when this thread was about country music's rise in streaming versus hip-hop's stagnation? Yeah then they went and turned into a continuous conversation on Jason/Morgan and more politics.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 5, 2023 12:53:47 GMT -5
Considering how big the Fast Car cover has gotten, if Tracy herself didn't like the cover - she would have said so right now. You literally being angry for someone who isn't, this white savior complex ain't it.
Anyways in response to the actual thread topic: it is what it is. It's not like hip-hop is extinct from the charts or incapable of causing a big impact, it's just in a lull period in the mainstream. It'll pass and shift back somewhere down the line but you can't exactly force a change in artistic culture.
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Aug 5, 2023 13:17:28 GMT -5
I saw Luke in concert this summer and he mentioned how important βFast Carβ is to him and gave Tracy Chapman a shoutout (yes, he said her name).
Onto the actual topic, I love seeing country becoming more popular in the past couple years - the Aldean song stinks though and Iβd rather see others have success over songs like that one.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 6, 2023 6:51:26 GMT -5
I would freaking LOVE if country music surpasses hip hop music. I can't stand hip hop and would love to see it decline in popularity, it's overdue. Country music has way better artists and songs in it, and they sing about real life. And hip hop isnβt about real life? No, obviously it's all fake. In fact, Kendrick Lamar, Andre 3000, Biggie Smalls, Rakim, they all don't actually exist.
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Post by Zach on Aug 6, 2023 7:34:32 GMT -5
I have read every post an piece of evidence to the contrary. I am somehow not surprised that you haven't. I would be further unsurprised if you actively chose to ignore those posts and pretend they didn't exist. That article reads like a PR fluff piece though. Good way to get ahead of culture vulture accusations but itβs not in a place that is entirely visible or obvious. You're soooooo annoying omg
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Feb 4, 2024 20:44:35 GMT -5
well...
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