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Post by neel on Jul 22, 2023 17:59:29 GMT -5
It’s kind of ironic and sad that after 6 good years of dominance in the music scene, in its 50th anniversary Hip Hop experiences one of its worst commercial declines. With country music surging up pretty quick, it seems that the genre could suprass hip hop as the most popular genre in America. Do you guys think that’s possible, and if it does how long before it becomes true?
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Post by trustypepper on Jul 22, 2023 18:01:28 GMT -5
If hip hop became interesting and/or catchy again, it might stand a chance.
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Post by CatSoul on Jul 23, 2023 9:19:48 GMT -5
Country music seems to be surging as some kind of "counterprotest". The three top country songs/artists I can think of (Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jason Aldean) are being kept in the charts by controversy and conservatives screeching "You can't CANCEL them with your WOKE" incoherently. There's a chance "Try That In A Small Town" will end up going #1 on Billboard.
Country music may be at the top of the chart, but it certainly doesn't feel more relevant then hip-hop. Maybe if I was 45 years old and worked at a Shell gas station in a sundown small town...
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Post by soulfulwings on Jul 23, 2023 10:59:19 GMT -5
I would freaking LOVE if country music surpasses hip hop music. I can't stand hip hop and would love to see it decline in popularity, it's overdue. Country music has way better artists and songs in it, and they sing about real life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2023 15:51:10 GMT -5
If hip hop became interesting and/or catchy again, it might stand a chance. This. I miss the 90s and early 2000s. |
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Post by After Minutes on Jul 28, 2023 7:18:18 GMT -5
Country music seems to be surging as some kind of "counterprotest". The three top country songs/artists I can think of (Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jason Aldean) are being kept in the charts by controversy and conservatives screeching "You can't CANCEL them with your WOKE" incoherently. There's a chance "Try That In A Small Town" will end up going #1 on Billboard. Country music may be at the top of the chart, but it certainly doesn't feel more relevant then hip-hop. Maybe if I was 45 years old and worked at a Shell gas station in a sundown small town... How is that Luke Combs cover controversial? From everything I read and heard about him he seems chill |
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 28, 2023 8:21:03 GMT -5
I would freaking LOVE if country music surpasses hip hop music. I can't stand hip hop and would love to see it decline in popularity, it's overdue. Country music has way better artists and songs in it, and they sing about real life. And hip hop isn’t about real life? |
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 28, 2023 20:34:07 GMT -5
Rap and Hip Hop was so much better in the 80's and 90's and somewhat the 2000's .since then it is mostly auto tuned trap which in a lot of cases is horrible.
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Post by rnb on Jul 28, 2023 20:36:48 GMT -5
Rap and Hip Hop was so much better in the 80's and 90's and somewhat the 2000's .since then it is mostly auto tuned trap which in a lot of cases is horrible. in like 2007 it was auto tuned trap or whatever but in 2023.. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 28, 2023 22:47:03 GMT -5
Country music seems to be surging as some kind of "counterprotest". The three top country songs/artists I can think of (Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jason Aldean) are being kept in the charts by controversy and conservatives screeching "You can't CANCEL them with your WOKE" incoherently. There's a chance "Try That In A Small Town" will end up going #1 on Billboard. Lol no, this statement only applies to the Aldean song in question. |
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 29, 2023 5:57:58 GMT -5
Rap and Hip Hop was so much better in the 80's and 90's and somewhat the 2000's .since then it is mostly auto tuned trap which in a lot of cases is horrible. in like 2007 it was auto tuned trap or whatever but in 2023.. it probably was not much better by then. |
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jul 30, 2023 10:11:06 GMT -5
Country music seems to be surging as some kind of "counterprotest". The three top country songs/artists I can think of (Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Jason Aldean) are being kept in the charts by controversy and conservatives screeching "You can't CANCEL them with your WOKE" incoherently. There's a chance "Try That In A Small Town" will end up going #1 on Billboard. Country music may be at the top of the chart, but it certainly doesn't feel more relevant then hip-hop. Maybe if I was 45 years old and worked at a Shell gas station in a sundown small town... How is that Luke Combs cover controversial? From everything I read and heard about him he seems chill There has been some controversy that he has not explicitly referenced Tracy Chapman when mentioning covering the song during performances. Of course she is getting full writing credit and everything with regards to the royalties and stuff, but some felt that this is intentional erasure of contributions from a Black woman and him getting success off of her effort and struggles. And that he is having success in spaces that Tracy herself may not be welcomed in today as a Black LGBTQ+ individual which is also extremely problematic. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2023 10:30:11 GMT -5
How is that Luke Combs cover controversial? From everything I read and heard about him he seems chill There has been some controversy that he has not explicitly referenced Tracy Chapman when mentioning covering the song during performances. Of course she is getting full writing credit and everything with regards to the royalties and stuff, but some felt that this is intentional erasure of contributions from a Black woman and him getting success off of her effort and struggles. And that he is having success in spaces that Tracy herself may not be welcomed in today as a Black LGBTQ+ individual which is also extremely problematic. Anybody agreeing with all that is reaching incredibly hard to find something to be upset about. It ain't that deep. Covers being successful in different areas than the original artist happens all the time and those artists are never expected to say "hey, this is a cover" every single time they perform it, so... Hard to imagine that anyone who actually thinks that way is a part of anything other than a perpetually angry fringe group that isn't worth paying attention to. Now the controversies for the other two (Morgan and Jason) are entirely justified and are topics worthy of discussion. |
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jul 31, 2023 0:21:06 GMT -5
There has been some controversy that he has not explicitly referenced Tracy Chapman when mentioning covering the song during performances. Of course she is getting full writing credit and everything with regards to the royalties and stuff, but some felt that this is intentional erasure of contributions from a Black woman and him getting success off of her effort and struggles. And that he is having success in spaces that Tracy herself may not be welcomed in today as a Black LGBTQ+ individual which is also extremely problematic. Anybody agreeing with all that is reaching incredibly hard to find something to be upset about. It ain't that deep. Covers being successful in different areas than the original artist happens all the time and those artists are never expected to say "hey, this is a cover" every single time they perform it, so... Hard to imagine that anyone who actually thinks that way is a part of anything other than a perpetually angry fringe group that isn't worth paying attention to. Now the controversies for the other two (Morgan and Jason) are entirely justified and are topics worthy of discussion. But I do very much agree that Luke is indeed doing just that though and it is absolutely not a reach to think that. I am not the only one with the problem with him and his actions. Others have also pointed this out at other boards and places. He is absolutely taking advantage of and exploiting his privilege as a white cisgender male who faces no issues with trying to get into various spaces and venues and finding acceptance. He doesn't give a single damn about Tracy. He is getting success at her expense. Tracy and her song is making him relevant. This is an extraordinary amount of success that he has had and he owes her. BIG. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 31, 2023 4:15:43 GMT -5
This just in: Disco part of a perpetually angry fringe group.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 31, 2023 5:52:57 GMT -5
And me thinking Luke had shown his appreciation after having read articles about it from Billboard, etc.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 31, 2023 9:50:10 GMT -5
So we're just making up reasons to be upset now?
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 31, 2023 10:05:57 GMT -5
Anybody agreeing with all that is reaching incredibly hard to find something to be upset about. It ain't that deep. Covers being successful in different areas than the original artist happens all the time and those artists are never expected to say "hey, this is a cover" every single time they perform it, so... Hard to imagine that anyone who actually thinks that way is a part of anything other than a perpetually angry fringe group that isn't worth paying attention to. Now the controversies for the other two (Morgan and Jason) are entirely justified and are topics worthy of discussion. But I do very much agree that Luke is indeed doing just that though and it is absolutely not a reach to think that. I am not the only one with the problem with him and his actions. Others have also pointed this out at other boards and places. He is absolutely taking advantage of and exploiting his privilege as a white cisgender male who faces no issues with trying to get into various spaces and venues and finding acceptance. He doesn't give a single damn about Tracy. He is getting success at her expense. Tracy and her song is making him relevant. This is an extraordinary amount of success that he has had and he owes her. BIG. Unhinged. |
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Jul 31, 2023 10:53:06 GMT -5
We get 2 massive country hits this year and suddenly hip hop is finished? Well then that's news to me.
*Not counting Aldean's song as a big hit because its gonna sink fairly fast it seems, the album bombs will hopefully further accelerate that.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jul 31, 2023 15:58:52 GMT -5
But I do very much agree that Luke is indeed doing just that though and it is absolutely not a reach to think that. I am not the only one with the problem with him and his actions. Others have also pointed this out at other boards and places. He is absolutely taking advantage of and exploiting his privilege as a white cisgender male who faces no issues with trying to get into various spaces and venues and finding acceptance. He doesn't give a single damn about Tracy. He is getting success at her expense. Tracy and her song is making him relevant. This is an extraordinary amount of success that he has had and he owes her. BIG. Unhinged. How is this unhinged? Are you even qualified to make diagnoses such as this if you have something of substance to say or suggest to go ahead and say it. I am legit angry about this issue and I shouldn’t be shamed for how I feel or told that my feelings are wrong/invalid. |
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 31, 2023 16:53:24 GMT -5
How is this unhinged? Are you even qualified to make diagnoses such as this if you have something of substance to say or suggest to go ahead and say it. I am legit angry about this issue and I shouldn’t be shamed for how I feel or told that my feelings are wrong/invalid. I’m not even convinced those are your feelings. It’s a word salad of phrases you’d find in a twitter thread about this. But yeah, I don’t think they’re valid. If covering a song is exploiting your privilege, then I don’t know where your sense of reality is. |
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jul 31, 2023 21:44:22 GMT -5
How is this unhinged? Are you even qualified to make diagnoses such as this if you have something of substance to say or suggest to go ahead and say it. I am legit angry about this issue and I shouldn’t be shamed for how I feel or told that my feelings are wrong/invalid. I’m not even convinced those are your feelings. It’s a word salad of phrases you’d find in a twitter thread about this. But yeah, I don’t think they’re valid. If covering a song is exploiting your privilege, then I don’t know where your sense of reality is. Hey, you’re not in my head so you do not get to tell me how I am supposed to feel about stuff that I really do feel about! Luke is a mediocre, white cisgender male who can get away with doing anything and everything yet Tracy as a queer black women faces an uphill battle to do even less. It is absolutely not OK what he has done. |
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Jul 31, 2023 21:53:22 GMT -5
Girl artists sample songs everyday, as long as proper credit and approval is given there shouldn't be an issue of any sort. I mean if that's the case then David Guetta would be the subject of at least 68 different lawsuits.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 31, 2023 22:30:20 GMT -5
Yep... unhinged.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jul 31, 2023 23:53:46 GMT -5
Girl artists sample songs everyday, as long as proper credit and approval is given there shouldn't be an issue of any sort. I mean if that's the case then David Guetta would be the subject of at least 68 different lawsuits. Nicki Minaj had tried to sample "Fast Car" and Tracy didn't allow it. |
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 1, 2023 0:24:40 GMT -5
I will say, Luke Combs was relevant LONG before he covered "Fast Car", so it's a stretch to say that he is becoming relevant at the expense of Tracy Chapman.
If anything, Tracy Chapman is the one who is now experiencing a boost in relevance thanks to her song being covered in such a high-profile manner. Of course she is an icon who has nothing to prove, but this is exposing her to a whole new generation of fans. Rest assured she is going to be smiling all the way to the bank for the rest of her life thanks to the royalties from Luke's cover plus the added interest it has given for her own original!
And finally, to say he doesn't give a damn about Tracy is baseless conjecture. Sure, he has certain privileges as a cis white male, but that doesn't change the fact that musicians tend to have a healthy level of reverence and respect for each other behind-the-scenes. There is simply no reason to assume that his cover came from a position of malice rather than one of deep respect. Like, I would bet every dollar I have ever made that his thought process was more like "Damn, what an incredible song", not "Mwahaha let me screw over this old defenseless black woman with my white privilege."
Edit: Also, Luke had no idea this song was even going to be a hit! It was just a throwaway album track buried towards the back of his album, like most covers are. He literally was trying to promote other songs, and the next thing you know the public latched onto it and made it a surprise hit, organically passing his own promoted single in popularity and forcing the label to shift their plans and get behind it.
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Aug 1, 2023 0:37:49 GMT -5
Girl artists sample songs everyday, as long as proper credit and approval is given there shouldn't be an issue of any sort. I mean if that's the case then David Guetta would be the subject of at least 68 different lawsuits. Nicki Minaj had tried to sample "Fast Car" and Tracy didn't allow it. And Luke Combs is to blame for this how exactly? That doesn't have correlation to ur claims against him. We need to make some constructive commentary if ur gonna try to make a left of field bogus argument. Tracy Chapman is benefitting from the cover of her song and as far as I know hasn't condemned Luke or the cover. I don't like Luke Combs or care for his music, but he isn't really doing anything wrong as far as I can tell. |
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 1, 2023 0:50:47 GMT -5
Nicki Minaj had tried to sample "Fast Car" and Tracy didn't allow it. And Luke Combs is to blame for this how exactly? That doesn't have correlation to ur claims against him. We need to make some constructive commentary if ur gonna try to make a left of field bogus argument. Tracy Chapman is benefitting from the cover of her song and as far as I know hasn't condemned Luke or the cover. I don't like Luke Combs or care for his music, but he isn't really doing anything wrong as far as I can tell. Also, there are dozens of covers of "Fast Car" out there by other professional musicians through the years. So Nicki not being allowed to sample it would almost certainly be related to something other than Tracy not wanting other people to sing her song. (Like, maybe it just wasn't a very good concept so Tracy said no? Nicki IS an artist who is most famous for her shock value; we have very little reason to believe that whatever she had in mind would have been as tastefully done as an actual cover...) Oooorr it could just be a rumor too. Idk. |
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Post by mkarns on Aug 1, 2023 1:58:04 GMT -5
Gee, I just thought that Luke Combs really liked "Fast Car"--to the extent that he didn't even change the lyrics for gender--and Tracy Chapman is benefiting both financially and in terms of public recognition.
In short, it's likely just him appreciating her music and her gratitude for bringing it to a new audience. Enough with the damn identity politics, already.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Aug 1, 2023 3:22:10 GMT -5
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