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Post by Fears in the Fire on Mar 6, 2024 1:24:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not convinced it’s payola over any other recent big hit. My theory is still that it’s likely something akin to an e-blast, where someone from the label who handles radio relations sends their weekly email semi-spam label newsletter update to all the stations with something like “this week, we hope you’ll join us as we refocus our efforts on pushing TayTay to #1!” Radio PDs then have a choice to jump on and increase their plays or keep things as normal. Some weeks, the push might be for, idk, Post Malone’s latest, or Tate McRae or whoever. Names where PDs might be like, ehh, why not, but not all of them will jump to push the song into power rotation. In Taylor’s case, more radio stations receiving the email/newsletter decide to do it collectively yet independent of each other (or by radio corporation) so it looks like this big unified conspiracy when actuality it’s just a situation of a bunch of individuals making the same action. Maybe there was added incentive like: “if this hits #1 on pop, we will give the top block of stations exclusive early access to 3 tracks from Taylor’s upcoming album. Sample the tracks and add to rotation an hour before anyone else.” That in itself has some grease to it, but would it count as payola? Maybe, maybe not. Im sorry but this read like a full on conspiracy theory. All to avoid the obvious simple answer that they just paid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2024 2:08:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not convinced it’s payola over any other recent big hit. My theory is still that it’s likely something akin to an e-blast, where someone from the label who handles radio relations sends their weekly email semi-spam label newsletter update to all the stations with something like “this week, we hope you’ll join us as we refocus our efforts on pushing TayTay to #1!” Radio PDs then have a choice to jump on and increase their plays or keep things as normal. Some weeks, the push might be for, idk, Post Malone’s latest, or Tate McRae or whoever. Names where PDs might be like, ehh, why not, but not all of them will jump to push the song into power rotation. In Taylor’s case, more radio stations receiving the email/newsletter decide to do it collectively yet independent of each other (or by radio corporation) so it looks like this big unified conspiracy when actuality it’s just a situation of a bunch of individuals making the same action. Maybe there was added incentive like: “if this hits #1 on pop, we will give the top block of stations exclusive early access to 3 tracks from Taylor’s upcoming album. Sample the tracks and add to rotation an hour before anyone else.” That in itself has some grease to it, but would it count as payola? Maybe, maybe not. Im sorry but this read like a full on conspiracy theory. All to avoid the obvious simple answer that they just paid. Literally, by definition, your obvious answer would be a conspiracy as well
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Mar 6, 2024 4:14:33 GMT -5
Im sorry but this read like a full on conspiracy theory. All to avoid the obvious simple answer that they just paid. Literally, by definition, your obvious answer would be a conspiracy as well Conspiracy theory: convoluted theory involving many assumptions My theory: Occam’s razor—they did it because they simply got paid Btw I say this as a huge fan of Taylor and Camila and Demi since they were all mentioned. But I also don’t care about payola, just pointing out the “hey please play this song on your channel” theory seems far-fetched.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2024 4:23:39 GMT -5
Literally, by definition, your obvious answer would be a conspiracy as well Conspiracy theory: convoluted theory involving many assumptions My theory: Occam’s razor—they did it because they simply got paid Btw I say this as a huge fan of Taylor and Camila and Demi since they were all mentioned. But I also don’t care about payola, just pointing out the “hey please play this song on your channel” theory seems far-fetched. A conspiracy is the secret planning by a group of people to do something illegal. Radio payola is illegal I don't care if you're Taylor herself. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in coming for people's theories.
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Post by whaleblubber on Mar 6, 2024 6:48:45 GMT -5
Radio pushes to #1 have been around since the dawn of time, I don't get what the fuss is? If all of them counted as illegal payola everyone in country music would be behind bars at this point.
Thinking of which, how do country radio pump-and-dumps work anyway?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 6, 2024 7:18:46 GMT -5
Im sorry but this read like a full on conspiracy theory. All to avoid the obvious simple answer that they just paid. Actually not really. I've read insiders talk about exchanges like this before as it's literally been going on for *years* and is a well-known industry "secret". The "payola" everyone cries about thinking of money exchanging hands (which is absolutely illegal) is actually typically perks like interviews, access to passes for giveaways, exclusive access etc. Labels and programmers have had a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" relationship for decades. If you know, you know. Nothing conspiratorial about it. Radio has always been one of the most easily manipulated metrics of music. At the end of the day it's a moot point as it's only a few days worth of updates and they easily could've been slicker about it, bumping it up more gradually,and no one would have been the wiser.
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Post by sheerio on Mar 6, 2024 7:21:40 GMT -5
Didn’t we have multiple number ones before which follow the same trend? Sudden resurgence to reach the top spot? Why all of a sudden it seems like some of ya’ll acting like it’s the first time something like this happened? To be fair, this song actually deserves it. End of discussion.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 6, 2024 7:24:04 GMT -5
Didn’t we have multiple number ones before which follow the same trend? Yes. Go back and look at the last 10 #1s on pop radio. Those updates typically swell the days leading up to whatever hits #1. People genuinely believe it's all a lot more organic than it actually is. lol
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Post by sheerio on Mar 6, 2024 7:34:17 GMT -5
Didn’t we have multiple number ones before which follow the same trend? Yes. Go back and look at the last 10 #1s on pop radio. Those updates typically swell the days leading up to whatever hits #1. People genuinely believe it's all a lot more organic than it actually is. lol Agree lol - I don’t know why these folks are suddenly making this a big deal now lmao
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 6, 2024 7:59:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not convinced it’s payola over any other recent big hit. My theory is still that it’s likely something akin to an e-blast, where someone from the label who handles radio relations sends their weekly email semi-spam label newsletter update to all the stations with something like “this week, we hope you’ll join us as we refocus our efforts on pushing TayTay to #1!” Radio PDs then have a choice to jump on and increase their plays or keep things as normal. Some weeks, the push might be for, idk, Post Malone’s latest, or Tate McRae or whoever. Names where PDs might be like, ehh, why not, but not all of them will jump to push the song into power rotation. In Taylor’s case, more radio stations receiving the email/newsletter decide to do it collectively yet independent of each other (or by radio corporation) so it looks like this big unified conspiracy when actuality it’s just a situation of a bunch of individuals making the same action. Maybe there was added incentive like: “if this hits #1 on pop, we will give the top block of stations exclusive early access to 3 tracks from Taylor’s upcoming album. Sample the tracks and add to rotation an hour before anyone else.” That in itself has some grease to it, but would it count as payola? Maybe, maybe not. Im sorry but this read like a full on conspiracy theory. All to avoid the obvious simple answer that they just paid. Nah. I’ve worked in similar industries before where this is how it works. I’m not saying it’s what happens here but it’s much more likely than a label cutting a cheque for radio airplay that doesn’t really benefit them financially, plus the fact that it would be illegal for them to do it. You just don’t accept it as an idea because it’s not simple.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 6, 2024 9:19:06 GMT -5
POP: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 16498 14527 1971 44.700
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HOT AC: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 5584 5014 570 18.290
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AC: 17 15 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 154 153 1 0.342
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Post by zdm1998 on Mar 6, 2024 10:03:11 GMT -5
Idc if it’s a big push. This is deserving of #1 imo.
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Post by jgarbary on Mar 6, 2024 11:14:57 GMT -5
In a world where PDs get such immediate and real-time feedback on how their station compares to others when it comes to spins, and get to see the impact of changes to their playlists in real time - it doesn't seem unrealistic at all that many PDs would be motivated to 'be' one of the ones who helped get a song top 10, or top 5, or #1, etc. I've always been a numbers guy, and having worked in sales my whole working career, there's never been lack of metrics, data, or results to keep track of and use to compare myself to others or to my own previous results - to give me whatever motivation I need. I can only imagine if I worked as a PD, I'd always be watching spins to compare my station to others. And if I noticed I could have a meaningful impact to a song's chart attainment by upping spins, I'd have no problem doing so - especially if I knew the callouts were good. Isn't the simplest explanation just a bunch of PDs acting in varying degrees of the above?
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Post by sportytheartist on Mar 6, 2024 12:08:16 GMT -5
“Is It Over Now?” US Spotify Chart History: Debut: November 2nd Run: 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 14 - 30 - 41 - 51 - 75 - 24 - 26 - 44 - 46 - 49 - 50 - 70 - 60 - 61
Global Spotify Chart History: Debut: November 2nd Run: 1 - 5 - 10 - 12 - 21 - 41 - 51 - 68 - 109 - 52 - 51 - 64 - 82 - 82 - 79 - 99 - 86 - 98
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2024 12:16:38 GMT -5
“Is It Over Now?” US Spotify Chart History:
Debut: November 2nd Run: 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 14 - 30 - 41 - 51 - 75 - 24 - 26 - 44 - 46 - 49 - 50 - 70 - 60 - 61 Global Spotify Chart History:Debut: November 2nd Run: 1 - 5 - 10 - 12 - 21 - 41 - 51 - 68 - 109 - 52 - 51 - 64 - 82 - 82 - 79 - 99 - 86 - 98 Deserves three weeks at #1 on US Pop Radio
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Post by dkampy on Mar 6, 2024 13:33:18 GMT -5
I don’t know why it is so controversial for Taylor Swift to nab number 1… she is the #1 star in the world… not even debatable at this point
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 6, 2024 13:53:20 GMT -5
Donald Trump can literally get away with insurrection, avoid all 97 felony charges, corporations are price-gouging us to the max daily, yet corrupt radio would never do something “illegal”? lol.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 7, 2024 8:17:49 GMT -5
POP: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 16802 14661 2141 45.911
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HOT AC: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 5690 5076 614 18.692
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AC: 16 15 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 153 156 -3 0.345
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Post by sheerio on Mar 7, 2024 9:29:36 GMT -5
Has this surpassed THE Cruel Summer for the number of spins? I can't recall CS passing 16500 spins (?)
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Post by chickythelittlechicken on Mar 7, 2024 17:01:22 GMT -5
Has this surpassed THE Cruel Summer for the number of spins? I can't recall CS passing 16500 spins (?) Yes it has! I think its peak was like around 16,600 or something
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Post by eagle27 on Mar 8, 2024 0:06:19 GMT -5
Don’t forget the first month of streaming for this was excellent so it’s not crazy that this is #1. Would’ve made more sense to push this in January and then refocus on Cruel Summer. I think waiting 4.5 months from release for a #1 push makes this look awkward.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 8, 2024 7:58:22 GMT -5
POP: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 16996 14875 2121 46.381
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HOT AC: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 5807 5098 709 19.126
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AC: 16 15 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 154 158 -4 0.348
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Post by sheerio on Mar 8, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -5
Might even cross 17k? Wow?!
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Post by Choco on Mar 8, 2024 10:40:06 GMT -5
I do wonder what PDs get from Tay's team. She doesn't do radio interviews, she doesn't do pre-album singles, she doesn't really do ticket giveaways... unless the label uses some other acts for that (like, play IION all the way to #1 and we might send Sabrina Carpenter your way when she has a new song or something).
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Post by Taylor. on Mar 8, 2024 11:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 9, 2024 8:11:09 GMT -5
POP: 3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 17191 15072 2119 46.807
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HOT AC: 2 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 5833 5198 635 19.308
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AC: 17 15 TAYLOR SWIFT Is It Over Now? (TV) 153 154 -1 0.351
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Post by chickythelittlechicken on Mar 9, 2024 8:41:09 GMT -5
when was the last time a song passed 17k spins again ?! wow !!
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Post by †ealsünset on Mar 9, 2024 9:54:43 GMT -5
when was the last time a song passed 17k spins again ?! wow !! Mid-week updates for Greedy, January 9-13: Tuesday, January 9 1 = TATE MCRAE Greedy 17156 +229 455 +240 46.554 +0.691 Wednesday, January 10 1 = TATE MCRAE Greedy 17085 -71 413 -42 46.470 -0.084 Thursday, January 11 1 = TATE MCRAE Greedy 17063 -22 447 +34 46.422 -0.048 Friday, January 12 1 = TATE MCRAE Greedy 17068 +5 491 +44 46.371 -0.051 Saturday, January 13 1 = TATE MCRAE Greedy 17007 -61 443 -48 46.219 -0.152
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 9, 2024 10:11:48 GMT -5
I do wonder what PDs get from Tay's team. She doesn't do radio interviews, she doesn't do pre-album singles, she doesn't really do ticket giveaways... unless the label uses some other acts for that (like, play IION all the way to #1 and we might send Sabrina Carpenter your way when she has a new song or something). Mugs
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Post by jdanton2 on Mar 9, 2024 10:22:40 GMT -5
this is building up quite a lead . i hope expect it will drop next week but it could end with a second week at #1.
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