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Post by zdm1998 on Feb 25, 2024 6:59:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if this has reached it's peak. I wasn't expecting country radio to stick with this long term and probably only played it the first week or so because of the hype, and the backlash they would have gotten if they didn't.
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Post by superdave3556 on Feb 25, 2024 7:58:13 GMT -5
After 3 straight negative daily updates, it gains 54 spins today and moves up a notch from #44 to #43.
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Post by someguy on Feb 25, 2024 8:29:26 GMT -5
I don’t mind this (though I wish it were “Irreplaceable” that was getting this push). I wonder if #34 is as high as it will get on Billboard - the ‘pop star going country’ thing usually takes a few singles to click if it ever happens (Jewel, Kelly Clarkson, Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler, etc). Though Darius Rucker did it very successfully, so who knows.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 25, 2024 9:13:24 GMT -5
I don’t mind this (though I wish it were “Irreplaceable” that was getting this push). I wonder if #34 is as high as it will get on Billboard - the ‘pop star going country’ thing usually takes a few singles to click if it ever happens (Jewel, Kelly Clarkson, Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler, etc). Though Darius Rucker did it very successfully, so who knows. Didn't most of the ones you name there just do one-off country music songs/albums as opposed to actually becoming country artists like Darius did? It may have helped Darius that he was essentially debuting as an artist, too, so it felt less like "I'm not relevant anymore so let me try a country album" and more like a genuine development as an artist. (I know he had a solo album before it, but it had been over 5 years ago at that point and he signed with Capitol Nashville so it was basically him starting a true country career.) I think if Kelly Clarkson ever does a country album it will be fairly well accepted because she's stayed tied to the genre in various ways, though now her age would unfortunately work against her.
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Post by someguy on Feb 25, 2024 9:16:38 GMT -5
I don’t mind this (though I wish it were “Irreplaceable” that was getting this push). I wonder if #34 is as high as it will get on Billboard - the ‘pop star going country’ thing usually takes a few singles to click if it ever happens (Jewel, Kelly Clarkson, Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler, etc). Though Darius Rucker did it very successfully, so who knows. Didn't most of the ones you name there just do one-off country music songs/albums as opposed to actually becoming country artists like Darius did? It may have helped Darius that he was essentially debuting as an artist, too, so it felt less like "I'm not relevant anymore so let me try a country album" and more like a genuine development as an artist. (I know he had a solo album before it, but it had been over 5 years ago at that point and he signed with Capitol Nashville so it was basically him starting a true country career.) I think if Kelly Clarkson ever does a country album it will be fairly well accepted because she's stayed tied to the genre in various ways, though now her age would unfortunately work against her. You’re absolutely right (though Jewel may have made two country albums). Though I guess my point is Beyoncé may have to demonstrate that she is now a country artist before radio really jumps on board.
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Post by nuggie99 on Feb 25, 2024 11:05:38 GMT -5
Though I guess my point is Beyoncé may have to demonstrate that she is now a country artist before radio really jumps on board. What does that mean nowadays? I was thinking that 30-40 years ago she'd have to go in Nashville Now and sit with Ralph Emery and/or go on Hee Haw. Today, would it be Bobby Bones or something on The Highway on SiriusXM? Opry appearance? Anything else? Lon Helton? (Or Kix, Fitz,Crook & Chase)?
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Post by someguy on Feb 25, 2024 11:44:33 GMT -5
Though I guess my point is Beyoncé may have to demonstrate that she is now a country artist before radio really jumps on board. What does that mean nowadays? I was thinking that 30-40 years ago she'd have to go in Nashville Now and sit with Ralph Emery and/or go on Hee Haw. Today, would it be Bobby Bones or something on The Highway on SiriusXM? Opry appearance? Anything else? Lon Helton? (Or Kix, Fitz,Crook & Chase)? Great question, and I’m not really sure. I’m thinking consistently releasing music to the format? But I’m not really sure. What do you think?
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Post by travelrocks24 on Feb 26, 2024 11:22:15 GMT -5
There have been many songs over the years that had massive add dates and then the songs did basically nothing at radio. Some examples - and someone else here could give the exact # of adds vs. their chart peak - include: Mickey Guyton's debut single, Lauren Alaina's "Next Boyfriend", many of Lindsay Ell's songs, there are more... also, notice how my examples are all women, as this really happens to women at a much greater rate than men. The point is that adding a song does not equal playing a song more than just one or two overnight spins contributing to very little audience. It does show initial interest but nothing beyond that. Caitlyn Smith's "Downtown Baby" also got around 50 adds to start and barely even charted, for another example. And, for an opposite example, Niko Moon's one hit "Good Time" ended up being a smash despite it initially starting with less than 20 adds. All his follow-up singles bombed (rightfully so imo), but that one turned into a hit despite radio not really looking like they were here for it at first. More often than not, a good adds date is an indicator of radio's interest and usually it correlates with success, but that's definitely not always the case. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 26, 2024 13:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by letshavefun3 on Feb 26, 2024 17:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Feb 27, 2024 1:19:37 GMT -5
Correct. I never said this song wasn't country. I said it wasn't good. My point was that none of the females I mentioned would make this a good song. But the post you replied to was one pointing out its country elements. If you were just posting to say the song isn't good, it would be more easily understood if you just made that its own post instead of replying to one about what makes it country. I made my post from your comment "The song features a banjo, a stomping line dance beat, and has lyrics referencing dive bars and card games, yet you're telling me it's not country and that you're not saying that because Beyonce is Black? Sure, Jan. Since the rest of the comments above your reply to Jan were not in your post, I made my comment to the reply you gave Jan.
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Post by echocountry on Feb 27, 2024 12:28:49 GMT -5
sorry but what's with Beyonce's video with her cleavage hanging out?? Not classy and not country.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 27, 2024 12:30:51 GMT -5
sorry but what's with Beyonce's video with her cleavage hanging out?? Not classy and not country. The horror! But hasn’t Dolly received that same criticism?
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 27, 2024 13:00:02 GMT -5
sorry but what's with Beyonce's video with her cleavage hanging out?? Not classy and not country. I'm sorry but this is kind of insensitive and borderline slut shaming her. If she has the body to show cleavage she should and well she does. Also women showing cleavage and portraying themselves in a sexy light has been a thing for a long time. To say that Beyoncé is not classy for this is just gross, sexist, and pretty problematic imo.
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Post by bdrm87 on Feb 27, 2024 13:40:35 GMT -5
I don’t think this is a very good song, but it’s not any less country than most of what’s on the radio these days, and the desperate need some of y’all seem to have to prove that it’s not country is really weird. As someone who never followed the genre that closely until 2012 or so, the gatekeeping has always been so strange to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 13:57:02 GMT -5
I don’t think this is a very good song, but it’s not any less country than most of what’s on the radio these days, and the desperate need some of y’all seem to have to prove that it’s not country is really weird. As someone who never followed the genre that closely until 2012 or so, the gatekeeping has always been so strange to me. It’s always been here and always will. Merle Haggard fans thought George Strait and Alan Jackson weren’t real country. Strait & Jackson fans thought Chesney and McGraw weren’t country. Chesney and McGraw fans thought FGL & Luke Bryan weren’t country. It’s an endless cycle.
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 27, 2024 23:53:04 GMT -5
I don’t mind this (though I wish it were “Irreplaceable” that was getting this push). I wonder if #34 is as high as it will get on Billboard - the ‘pop star going country’ thing usually takes a few singles to click if it ever happens (Jewel, Kelly Clarkson, Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler, etc). Though Darius Rucker did it very successfully, so who knows. Didn't most of the ones you name there just do one-off country music songs/albums as opposed to actually becoming country artists like Darius did? It may have helped Darius that he was essentially debuting as an artist, too, so it felt less like "I'm not relevant anymore so let me try a country album" and more like a genuine development as an artist. (I know he had a solo album before it, but it had been over 5 years ago at that point and he signed with Capitol Nashville so it was basically him starting a true country career.) I think if Kelly Clarkson ever does a country album it will be fairly well accepted because she's stayed tied to the genre in various ways, though now her age would unfortunately work against her. I Think Kelly wanted to do a country album but got discouraged. She really struggled to get hits outside of her two features. She sent a few songs (Mr know it all county, tie it up, don’t rush) and they all did meh at best. I remember she made a remake during an interview once about how she’d love to make a country album but country radio doesn’t Want to play her
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Post by kluen on Feb 28, 2024 22:12:08 GMT -5
Didn't most of the ones you name there just do one-off country music songs/albums as opposed to actually becoming country artists like Darius did? It may have helped Darius that he was essentially debuting as an artist, too, so it felt less like "I'm not relevant anymore so let me try a country album" and more like a genuine development as an artist. (I know he had a solo album before it, but it had been over 5 years ago at that point and he signed with Capitol Nashville so it was basically him starting a true country career.) I think if Kelly Clarkson ever does a country album it will be fairly well accepted because she's stayed tied to the genre in various ways, though now her age would unfortunately work against her. I Think Kelly wanted to do a country album but got discouraged. She really struggled to get hits outside of her two features. She sent a few songs (Mr know it all county, tie it up, don’t rush) and they all did meh at best. I remember she made a remake during an interview once about how she’d love to make a country album but country radio doesn’t Want to play her IMO,she could put out the country album anyway whether radio plays her or not She has already been an established artist And Don't Rush made it into top 30 on country radio which is not exactly a total flop I remember that back in the day there are some rules in the labels saying that for a new artist you need to have a top 40 radio hit to release an album If by that standard she is certainly qualified let alone she is not a new artist And given the fact that she has been nominated for female vocalist of the year by the CMA country music industry did somewhat embrace her
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Post by travelrocks24 on Feb 29, 2024 9:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by shayonce on Mar 2, 2024 11:11:57 GMT -5
Beyoncé’s Country Pivot With ‘Texas Hold ‘Em’ a Hot Topic During Country Radio Seminar: ‘We’re the Coolest House on the Block’ "Texas Hold 'Em" and Bey in general were among the much-discussed topics during CRS, as the industry continues a broader, ongoing discussion about inclusion in country music. Though Beyoncé wasn’t in attendance, the singer-songwriter (and her chart-topping hit “Texas Hold ‘Em”) has been a much-discussed topic during the annual Country Radio Seminar being held this week in downtown Nashville. “First of all, Beyoncé is part of a huge conversation, and you can’t ignore a song she puts out regardless of what genre you work in,” said fellow panelist Jess Wright, has served as the country format captain and host at LiveOne/Slacker Radio since 2016. Wright noted that in their metrics, they are seeing “Texas Hold ‘Em” “has the highest-banned score of any song on stations it is played on. It also has the highest heart score [similar to liking or disliking a song that is playing]. We expected this because you will always have your traditionalists. There are people who won’t want to hear it.” She noted that listener reactions to “Texas Hold ‘Em” are very similar to those they saw with the 2019 Lil Nas X/Billy Ray Cyrus smash hit “Old Town Road.” “It was the most-banned and the most-hearted,” Wright said. During a panel discussing “Debunking Industry Myths,” Gator Harrison, Senior VP of Programming for iHeartMedia’s Nashville Market, said, “I played [the Beyoncé track] as soon as I got it, we’re exposing it and once we’ve exposed it enough, we’re going to go to research and ask, ‘What do you guys think? Do you like this?’ We still have to have that local conversation through research with our audience.” “Whether it’s a song that stays long-term, it does feel a little bit of a novelty, but it sounds good so right now we are sticking with it,” Wright said. Moon advocated for radio taking more chances and looking beyond what research testing might show, pointing out as an example the success of Gabby Barrett’s 2020 hit “I Hope,” saying the song “had some high negative [scores] and huge high passion [scores]. I ignored the negatives and it ended up being a big hit. A lasting hit.” “The reality is when you are testing music, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy,” Moon said. “If we have less female artists in our music tests, when people are taking the test, it does hit them as a little more novelty. They’re unaccustomed to hearing a lot [of female voices on radio], so you’ll have higher negatives as a result. I have in the past ignored the negatives on female artists, and I look specifically at the love score,” he said, later adding, “That doesn’t mean I’m going to put it power, but that doesn’t mean I’m going drop a song. There’s certain context. I look at artists and I don’t [do] just one size fits all the negative scores. So that’s one rule I’m willing to break, [in order to] try to find, unlock that passion.” www.billboard.com/music/country/beyonce-country-radio-seminar-texas-hold-em-1235619424/
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 4, 2024 16:18:18 GMT -5
Country airplay run: 54-34-38.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 11, 2024 18:44:38 GMT -5
#42 Airplay, #1 Hot Country Songs, and #5 on the Hot 100 this week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 22:40:42 GMT -5
Looking like it’s done at radio.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 12, 2024 2:04:09 GMT -5
Done where...?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 8:54:35 GMT -5
At country radio. 3 straight weeks of losses pretty much means country radio isn’t interested anymore in playing it.
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Post by someguy on Mar 12, 2024 9:28:11 GMT -5
At country radio. 3 straight weeks of losses pretty much means country radio isn’t interested anymore in playing it. It will go recurrent on Billboard this Friday if it has another week of losses.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 15, 2024 7:01:05 GMT -5
Well I guess today's update will take care of any chance of country radio kicking this to the curb after barely a month on a technicality.
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Post by lipe on Mar 19, 2024 14:22:46 GMT -5
Beyoncé's post annoucing her country album (edit: not a country album, by her definition) was interesting. Guess she's talking about not feeling welcomed when she performed with Dixie Chicks at the CMAs? http://instagram.com/p/C4s6Zr7rlwA
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Post by someguy on Mar 23, 2024 6:53:48 GMT -5
Sets a new peak of #33 on the Billboard chart this week. Great to see this one somewhat breaking through.
Country radio always takes a long time to open up to mainstream artists, but this is off to a great start.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 24, 2024 10:53:35 GMT -5
Holly from Tennessee would approve:
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