Is Beyoncé Becoming a Cultural Icon?

[kellydicted]

Britney and Christina are ahead of her.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

rebirthxperience said:

Poetry said:

I dont know, I kind of agree with Bob. Obviously she will not be a cultural icon JUST LIKE Madonna, but she just seems to...permeate everything. If she continues her success, I expect her to continue to permeate everything.

Yes, but Madonna was innovative, pushed boundaries, evolved as a person and media figure, etc.  Beyonce has basically been exactly the same since her debut 6 years ago.

But unlike Madonna there is really no point for Beyonce to evolve. What is she going to evolve into a cheap slut that will sell her body instead of her music? It certainly hasn't worked for Janet.

It was in Madonna's best interest for Madonna to evolve because people were getting sick of her antics plus she became a mom and got married. So naturally she changed. I don't know why people give her so much credit for becoming the person she should've been all along.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

kellydicted said:

Britney and Christina are ahead of her.

Britney possibly but I think Britney's star has lost alot of its shine in recent months with the flop singles & flop TV show as well as her degradation of the sacred institution of marriage and such. Christina isn't even in the same league as Beyonce and Britney. If any one was a cultural icon out of the newer artists I would say it's these two.

[PaNdeM0niuM!]

Cultural Icon?
God I hope NOT !!

[myday2005]

I say that he possibly could (anything is possible) but I believe that she needs to stick around longer and have more than 1 solo LP.

[bluenote]

adonis said:

rebirthxperience said:

I don't know why people give her so much credit for becoming the person she should've been all along.

I agree with that 1 statement. I have never seen people give a woman who sold sex in a million different ways, so much credit. She made great, catchy music, YES, but being raunchy and a bordeline sex addicit doesnt make u "innovative" nor does it mean u are "pushing boundaries." It only means that you like to have sex, and u love to show it.

[staythenight]

bluenote said:

adonis said:

rebirthxperience said:

I don't know why people give her so much credit for becoming the person she should've been all along.

I agree with that 1 statement.  I have never seen people give a woman who sold sex in a million different ways, so much credit.  She made great, catchy music, YES, but being raunchy and a bordeline sex addicit doesnt make u "innovative" nor does it mean u are "pushing boundaries." It only means that you like to have sex, and u love to show it.

in other words she is a skank ho for most of her career and shoved it down ppl's throats & they ate it up.......she is one smart woman though/ or the public is really dumb

[ingrownhairdyke]

adonis said:

kellydicted said:

Britney and Christina are ahead of her.

Britney possibly but I think Britney's star has lost alot of its shine in recent months with the flop singles & flop TV show as well as her degradation of the sacred institution of marriage and such. Christina isn't even in the same league as Beyonce and Britney. If any one was a cultural icon out of the newer artists I would say it's these two.

u got 2 be kidding me about Christina not being in beyonkas lead lol.. thats funny.. just because beyonka was overhyped in 2003 dont mean anything that was her first solo record anyways.. Xtina has been solo for 6 years now and has changed her image and evolved.. She is a WW star unlike beyonka whoes core audience is in the USA.. Xtinas videos have always made ppl talk (Lady Marmalade, Dirrty, Beautiful) and some of her single have already become classics.. If u wanna go by media than yes beyonka is the biggest media whore.. I dont know y u r saying beyonka is bigger than Christina.. Everyone in the world and their mom knows who Christina is beyonka is only relatively known

[Ironically Ironic]

ingrownhairdyke said:

adonis said:

Britney possibly but I think Britney's star has lost alot of its shine in recent months with the flop singles & flop TV show as well as her degradation of the sacred institution of marriage and such. Christina isn't even in the same league as Beyonce and Britney. If any one was a cultural icon out of the newer artists I would say it's these two.

u got 2 be kidding me about Christina not being in beyonkas lead lol.. thats funny.. just because beyonka was overhyped in 2003 dont mean anything that was her first solo record anyways.. Xtina has been solo for 6 years now and has changed her image and evolved.. She is a WW star unlike beyonka whoes core audience is in the USA.. Xtinas videos have always made ppl talk (Lady Marmalade, Dirrty, Beautiful) and some of her single have already become classics.. If u wanna go by media than yes beyonka is the biggest media whore.. I dont know y u r saying beyonka is bigger than Christina.. Everyone in the world and their mom knows who Christina is beyonka is only relatively known

Riiighht. I knew you was comin soon with your biasness

[NORTHCOAST]

I think she has a long way to go to being considered an icon. Madonna is considered one for her music and her striking personality. To be honest, Beyonce strikes me as a bit of a Stepford wife. She has this spaced out far-away look in her eye that's kind of strange to me. It makes me wonder what's going on in that pretty little head of hers. She seems like a nice beautiful girl with some singing/dancing/ass shaking talent and a catchy name, but not anywhere close to being an icon, IMO.

[ingrownhairdyke]

byron72689 said:

ingrownhairdyke said:

u got 2 be kidding me about Christina not being in beyonkas lead lol.. thats funny.. just because beyonka was overhyped in 2003 dont mean anything that was her first solo record anyways.. Xtina has been solo for 6 years now and has changed her image and evolved.. She is a WW star unlike beyonka whoes core audience is in the USA.. Xtinas videos have always made ppl talk (Lady Marmalade, Dirrty, Beautiful) and some of her single have already become classics.. If u wanna go by media than yes beyonka is the biggest media whore.. I dont know y u r saying beyonka is bigger than Christina.. Everyone in the world and their mom knows who Christina is beyonka is only relatively known

Riiighht.  I knew you was comin soon with your biasness

yes i'm a fan of Xtina but i just stated facts.. Xtina has been a solo artist for a 6 years now and beyonka has just started in 2003. Xtina has already released 4 albums and they have all done considerably good WW and in just 6 years she has had massive WW hits (Genie,Lady Marmalade, Beautiful) that beyonka can only dream of having... Until beyonka is known all over the world like Xtina i rest my case..

[msanoja]

bluenote said:

adonis said:

rebirthxperience said:

I don't know why people give her so much credit for becoming the person she should've been all along.

I agree with that 1 statement.  I have never seen people give a woman who sold sex in a million different ways, so much credit.  She made great, catchy music, YES, but being raunchy and a bordeline sex addicit doesnt make u "innovative" nor does it mean u are "pushing boundaries." It only means that you like to have sex, and u love to show it.

Well the sex was the issue that got the coverage, but with Madonna it was a little deeper than that. She was never "just a pop-star"; she turned pop music into an attitude instead of a dime-a-dozen genre. People expect a lot more from pop videos nowadays because of what Madonna did with them, and she's also a fantastic performer who stages some of the best shows on the planet. Sex may have been her thing in the early 90s, but overall its been her persona and her sound that has defined her as an icon. People DO think sex when they think Madonna, but she's got a lot more credibility in other areas of her career to support her. She's not just some blonde blow up doll. She actually has things to say in her music and her videos besides "I'm hot, check out my tits."

If Beyonce wants to become an icon, she has to break away from the J-Lo esque overexposure and concentrate on cementing a persona and a look. To me, she's just as disposable as Ashanti or any other R&B female. This also goes to Britney, who seems like she's PURPOSELY flushing her career, and Christina, who seems to think she's something a lot bigger than she really is.

[euge]

If Beyonce does become an Icon she would be an overrated one. Beyonce has only dropped one solo album and all of sudden she become the next big thang. Beyonce has some nice vocals but as a vocal artist she doesnt showcase them often. Her image and her kiddy songs outshines her talent. She need to step her game up and do something what every Icon has done and thats blow people away. Beyonce might of sold alot of records but her music doesnt match her cash flow. Maybe in time she might prove me wrong but as of right now she doesnt deserve Icon status. She has only been in the game 7 years, there are others who been doing this longer then she's had a career that need to be looked before she's even noted about being an Icon. People nowadays are quick to give a artist a title especially when they havent done nothing.

[The Rebirth Of ffej]

Yes, when my mother likes her that means something

[ingrownhairdyke]

these ppl exagerate everyone who has sold 4 million records in the USA should be considered an icon then.. what made it seem like a bigger deal was the huge media exposure that fell on her.. ppl who dont know about album sales might think she sold 8 or 9 million .. when in reality she has sold nothing for all the attention she had.. DC3 album isnt doing so hot anyways

[Ironically Ironic]

ingrownhairdyke said:

these ppl exagerate everyone who has sold 4 million records in the USA should be considered an icon then.. what made it seem like a bigger deal was the huge media exposure that fell on her.. ppl who dont know about album sales might think she sold 8 or 9 million .. when in reality she has sold nothing for all the attention she had.. DC3 album isnt doing so hot anyways

B4 you make accusations...know what you are talking about. Beyonce sold between 8-9 million albums and DF has sold about 6.5 million. Expect more. Also why have their tour been sellin out everywhere overseas.

[myshelbronx]

She could.. but she's gonna have to work harder on her music, I mean, she released great singles but the other songs on DIL were awful and the new DC album is pathetic, they used to be fun, cool, innovative and now all they want to do is tie their man's shoes.

[Vanilla Bean]

Christina Aguilera is a bigger icon than Beyonce worldwide. The only 3 artists who are known worldwide and i would consider "Icons" from this generation are Britney, Eminem and Christina. Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, 50 Cent, Usher, and Alicia Keys are all huge as well, but 2/3 of their fanbase are within the United States. Britney, Eminem, and Christina have something different than those other 4 that i listed. They are all equaly popular in the US, but worldwide, those three artists are a lot more popular.

[Ironically Ironic]

frappichino said:

Christina Aguilera is a bigger icon than Beyonce worldwide. The only 3 artists who are known worldwide and i would consider "Icons" from this generation are Britney, Eminem and Christina. Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, 50 Cent, Usher, and Alicia Keys are all huge as well, but 2/3 of their fanbase are within the United States. Britney, Eminem, and Christina have something different than those other 4 that i listed. They are all equaly popular in the US, but worldwide, those three artists are a lot more popular.

I think Bee could be put in that list too. She sold the same amount that she sold in the US overseas. Also DF sold more than double overseas than it did in the US. Did you hear this news...

The visit yesterday of the American singer Beyoncé at Rotterdam degenerated in a chaos. Prior to the concert of Destiny's Child in Ahoy' Beyoncé visited 'Douglas' at the Beurstraverse to promote her new airy True Fixedly. The fans came massive and they did dangerous stunts just to get a glimp of Beyoncé. After the presentation Beyoncé should distribute signatures for the fans at the parfumerie, but this didn't happend after the urge fences failed and the guard had trouble to keep crowd under control.,. Soon there came extra protections co-workers, but that could not prevent that fans were flattened against the fences that stood for the parfumerie. After a few seconds for the door, Beyoncé fled into the parfumerie. After the hurried retreat, the nearby WTC was flooded with fans and a terrace of a nearby cafe was ruined, upset fans began to throw with the chairs and the tables. Fortunately it succeeded to get the peace back after that and Beyoncé got safely to Ahoy' to for the concert of Destiny's Child.

[[upsilon]™]

Ooh, heck yeah. She's being referred in songs, among other mediums, while not necessarily being in the spotlight at the moment.

[Evergreen]

The thing Beyonce has over Britney is that she has been musically revelant for a long period of time. Britney is no icon. For icon status, it has to eventually come back to the music, and Britney will never be remembered as an artist. People like Michael, Madonna, Elvis, the Beatles, Aretha, ect...... all had a great deal of personality to make them huge, but it was also the music.

Beyonce is an incredible artist with limitless potential. She handles the media better than anyone out there, and well..........the bitch is just doing the damn thing and doin' it well! Beyonce is definitely a future icon!

[spooky21]

Beyonce has major potential and I can see get joining the ranks of JLO, but with more evolved and natural talent.

However, i don't see her ever joining the ranks of Madonna, The Beatles, Elvis. All those artist courted major controversy or groundbreaking innovation to get where they are.

[spooky21]

Beyonce will end up being like a Diana Ross who was multi talented and dynamic at her height.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

byron72689 said:

ingrownhairdyke said:

these ppl exagerate everyone who has sold 4 million records in the USA should be considered an icon then.. what made it seem like a bigger deal was the huge media exposure that fell on her.. ppl who dont know about album sales might think she sold 8 or 9 million .. when in reality she has sold nothing for all the attention she had.. DC3 album isnt doing so hot anyways

B4 you make accusations...know what you are talking about.  Beyonce sold between 8-9 million albums and DF has sold about 6.5 million.  Expect more.  Also why have their tour been sellin out everywhere overseas.

I also want to point out that album sales were more than double back then than what they are today. Today we are lucky to get even one artist a year to sell over 5million copies. Times have changed and people aren't buying CD's like they used too. They are instead downloading music which is cheaper and more efficient.

[MakeUCreamMyDream]

adonis said:

What is she going to evolve into a cheap slut that will sell her body instead of her music?

She already did that.

Beyonce is not talented enough to become an icon. She is J Lo with a voice. Nothing special.

[Ironically Ironic]

makeucreammydream said:

adonis said:

What is she going to evolve into a cheap slut that will sell her body instead of her music?

She already did that.

Beyonce is not talented enough to become an icon. She is J Lo with a voice. Nothing special.

No she didnt. She sale both thats why I love her. She can sell her music and have a great sex appeal at the same time. Why do you think she doesnt like the word Bootylicious anymore or why she dont talk about her personal life. Someone can interview Beyonce and it will be all about her music, not about sexinest or her life with Jay. Why do you think shes respected so much in the music industry.

[MakeUCreamMyDream]

byron72689 said:

makeucreammydream said:

She already did that.

Beyonce is not talented enough to become an icon. She is J Lo with a voice. Nothing special.

No she didnt.  She sale both thats why I love her.  She can sell her music and have a great sex appeal at the same time.  Why do you think she doesnt like the word Bootylicious anymore or why she dont talk about her personal life.  Someone can interview Beyonce and it will be all about her music, not about sexinest or her life with Jay.  Why do you think shes respected so much in the music industry.

She was downright trashy during the DIL era. She is nothing special to me. She reminds me a lot of J Lo except she sings better. She will never be an icon. She is a fad that will play out eventually.

[Ironically Ironic]

makeucreammydream said:

She was downright trashy during the DIL era.

Riiigghht. You may think so but youre one of the few. Someone who is so called "trashy" doesnt get all the recognition she got. Singing the National Anthem, grammys, 46664 with Nelson Mandela, and a lot more.

[MakeUCreamMyDream]

byron72689 said:

makeucreammydream said:

She was downright trashy during the DIL era. 

Riiigghht.  You may think so but youre one of the few. Someone who is so called "trashy" doesnt get all the recognition she got.  Singing the National Anthem, grammys, 46664 with Nelson Mandela, and a lot more.

And you know that I'm one of the few because you are supposed to be the know it all authority in all things Beyonce? LOL. How many photos with her butt showing were swarming around the internet during that era? There were also a few pictures of her pubes showing as well. She got recognition because she was the "it" black girl for the time being. Nothing more, nothing less. She will never be an icon because her music is flavor of the minute and like her counterpart J Lo she gets by on image alone.

[sandrose]

No.