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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2004 17:57:48 GMT -5
While I agree that R. Kelly and Mary J. Blige are the two true R&B legends of this generation, R. Kelly definitely has yet to pull of a "What's Going On". I can't think of one R. Kelly album that's going to end up on Top 10 lists of best albums. He has a LONG way to go before he can be compared to Marvin and Stevie.
...and rehashing the same instrumental for 20 songs was defintely not something Marvin or Stevie would have done. How many times is R. Kelly going to release "Step In The Name Of Love"? If R. Kelly wants to get credit as an artist, he needs to do something innovative and not take the safe root out by recreating two of his biggest hits (like we needed another whole disc of "I Believe I Can Fly" rehash).
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Post by bluenote on Oct 2, 2004 18:06:12 GMT -5
yes i agree he has a long ways to go but he is the closest thing around to being a legend in r&b music today. I agree the recent "step in the name of love" rehashes have been a bit much lately but whenever something does really well for him he alwys uses it alot until he sets the next trend. I give him credit for setting his own trends and not following them. But "i believe i can fly" i think was an excellent piece of work and is something he will always be remembered for. i feel like that is already his "whats going on."
Mary j is the areatha Franklin iof this generation. She is assume.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 2, 2004 19:17:49 GMT -5
I don't understand how he's had so many singles. Ever since "Ignition" he's been all over the charts, especially Urban. For instance right now he has his song with Jay-Z, a solo song, and two songs as a guest artist in the top 20 gainers at Urban. I don't think there's been a single week without multiple R. Kelly songs on the charts. But he's not selling tons of album, he's not being talked about a lot, and I don't see a lot of hype. How is it that he's releasing so much music (and getting decent R&B hits) like this? I'm so confused. He releases so many that I never hear, but a lot of them end up top 20. R. Kelly is truly the Greatest Male R&B Singer of the recent times. |
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Post by echarter on Oct 2, 2004 20:49:37 GMT -5
But "i believe i can fly" i think was an excellent piece of work and is something he will always be remembered for. i feel like that is already his "whats going on." You can't be for real :o You can't compare that trite song to a masterpiece concept album like "What's Going On"  |
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Post by jond7699 on Oct 2, 2004 21:44:44 GMT -5
You can't be for real :o You can't compare that trite song to a masterpiece concept album like "What's Going On" Yeah I know right. "I Believe I Can Fly" is so much better  |
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Post by echarter on Oct 3, 2004 14:27:15 GMT -5
Yeah I know right. "I Believe I Can Fly" is so much better You're probably deaf :o |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 3, 2004 14:48:04 GMT -5
I agree What's Goin On? is a good song but I'm wondering why nothing else on the whole entire album is ever remembered. Face it the song it was the song that was good and people are mistaking it for the album being good all because of one song. Lets get back to reality.... "I Believe I Can Fly" by R. Kelly is just as good a song if not better than "What's Goin On?" despite my liking the later better. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2004 14:51:15 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with reality and it's not just one song. It doesn't even have to do with the fact that he scored three Top 10 hits and 3 R&B #1's with that album. It has to do with the concept of the entire album.
I notice a lot of people tend to feel that what they grew up with is better than what came before them and while I understand that, I personally disagree.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 3, 2004 14:54:44 GMT -5
I notice a lot of people tend to feel that what they grew up with is better than what came before them and while I understand that, I personally disagree. The opposite is also true. Just because its old doesn't make it better. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2004 14:55:55 GMT -5
The opposite is also true. Just because its old doesn't make it better. I know but "What's Going On" is clearly better than anything R. Kelly has ever done. People are not saying that because it's old. They're saying it because it's true. We'll see in 30 years where people rank... oh wait R. Kelly has yet to make an album that even stands out among the rest. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 3, 2004 15:02:04 GMT -5
I know but "What's Going On" is clearly better than anything R. Kelly has ever done. People are not saying that because it's old. They're saying it because it's true. We'll see in 30 years where people rank... oh wait R. Kelly has yet to make an album that even stands out among the rest. R. Kelly's albums have all spawned multiple R&B hits. I mean R. Kelly has 6 songs charting continuously whether it be producing or being a featured artists or his own material. I'm sorry but Marvin Gaye can't even begin to touch that. I like Marvin Gaye and I will agree he has some great stuff that even I like more than some of R. Kelly's great stuff but "I belive I can fly" is much more meaningful than "What's Goin On?" which is only meaningful because of the time period in which the song came out. I'm not sure it would've had meaning had the song came out during the mid 90's. R. Kelly's musical greatness helps to shape the time period in which he's in whereas Marvin Gaye's musical greatness is just a product of the time period in which he was in. |
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Oct 3, 2004 15:16:09 GMT -5
Are you really arguing that the trite "I Believe I Can Fly" is on the level with "What's Going On"? :o I don't know how to respond.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 3, 2004 15:19:32 GMT -5
Are you really arguing that the trite "I Believe I Can Fly" is on the level with "What's Going On"? :o I don't know how to respond. I am becuase I Believe I Can Fly is a great song because it stands on its own as a great song. What's Goin On needed the misjudgement and misfortune of others to be a great song rendering it a great song only during special times. I Believe I Can Fly is a great song no matter how you look at it and during all times. |
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Oct 3, 2004 15:22:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's a great song at all, and it's not generally considered so. It's overblown sap that makes me cringe. I hear it and I immediately think: cheese.
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Post by mst3k on Oct 3, 2004 15:27:06 GMT -5
My opinion please: "I Believe I Can Fly" makes me gag.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 3, 2004 15:32:29 GMT -5
I don't think it's a great song at all, and it's not generally considered so. It's overblown sap that makes me cringe. I hear it and I immediately think: cheese. I think the song is sappy and is the #1 reason why I don't like it. I still think that its a great song though and has a great message. Its certainly greater than anything Marvin Gaye could ever hope to do. |
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Oct 3, 2004 15:51:32 GMT -5
Its certainly greater than anything Marvin Gaye could ever hope to do. Suffice it to say, I think you're one of the few people who think that. |
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Post by Radical347 on Oct 3, 2004 16:22:43 GMT -5
"I believe I can fly" is like a true classic and meaningful song. LOL. |
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Post by echarter on Oct 3, 2004 16:56:33 GMT -5
I agree What's Goin On? is a good song but I'm wondering why nothing else on the whole entire album is ever remembered. Face it the song it was the song that was good and people are mistaking it for the album being good all because of one song. Lets get back to reality.... "I Believe I Can Fly" by R. Kelly is just as good a song if not better than "What's Goin On?" despite my liking the later better. Eh, both "Mercy Mercy Me" and "Inner City Blues" are songs that are more known than "I Believe I Can Fly". The album as a whole is probably the best soulpop album ever released. And it was the first R&B album ever to produce 3 Top 10 Pop singles. It probably was the first album to have 3 #1 R&B hits too. I really think you should go back and listen to that album. Because you clearly didn't 'get it' when you listened to it. |
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Post by echarter on Oct 3, 2004 16:58:29 GMT -5
I think the song is sappy and is the #1 reason why I don't like it. I still think that its a great song though and has a great message. Its certainly greater than anything Marvin Gaye could ever hope to do. OMG... :'( Marvin Gaye is among the most talented artists to ever have lived. Maybe he wasn't as commercially accessable as R. Kelly. But most people consider that a good thing. |
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Post by Bob on Oct 3, 2004 18:39:53 GMT -5
I'll just pipe up and say I'm NOT AT ALL surprised by those who are picking R. Kelly over Marvin, etc. etc. Very predictable.
Christina Milian and Ciara fans UNITE! R. KELLY IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES!
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Post by echarter on Oct 3, 2004 18:46:19 GMT -5
Yeah LOL
And "I Believe I Can Fly" is probably the biggest pile of shit that R. Kelly has released.
Even "Step In The Name Of Love Pt. 297" is better than that song.
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Post by jond7699 on Oct 3, 2004 18:48:01 GMT -5
I'll just pipe up and say I'm NOT AT ALL surprised by those who are picking R. Kelly over Marvin, etc. etc. Very predictable. Christina Milian and Ciara fans UNITE! R. KELLY IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES! HahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahaha Not really a big fan of either of those artist actually |
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Post by bluenote on Oct 3, 2004 21:40:45 GMT -5
Are you really arguing that the trite "I Believe I Can Fly" is on the level with "What's Going On"? :o I don't know how to respond. I believe i can fly is alot better. Its a song they play for all kinds of special occasions and events. One of the most motivational songs of our time. the only time i hear "whats goin on" is around election time.  |
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Oct 3, 2004 22:09:40 GMT -5
Its a sopng they play for all kinds of special occasions and events. They play "YMCA" and "Macarena" at special occasions and events too. So what. The song is not regarded as great generally speaking. It's cloying and no different that a million other songs out there. |
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Post by bluenote on Oct 3, 2004 23:24:11 GMT -5
I always thought "i believ i can fly" was highly reguarded. i even remember him singing it at the Grammys waaaay back then.
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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 4, 2004 0:49:13 GMT -5
I always thought "i believ i can fly" was highly reguarded. i even remember him singing it at the Grammys waaaay back then. It's true, it did get nominated for Record Of The Year, though I've never been able to stand this song. I think the song is sappy and is the #1 reason why I don't like it. I still think that its a great song though You think it's a great song even though you don't like it...LOL |
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Post by strong4PMB! on Oct 4, 2004 1:38:51 GMT -5
What... you don't think "Sex Me", "Bump N Grind", and "Ignition" had a lot of meaning? ;) LOL. "Bump N Grind" is a classic! I like both "What's Going On" and "I Believe I Can Fly."  |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 4, 2004 8:03:28 GMT -5
I'll just pipe up and say I'm NOT AT ALL surprised by those who are picking R. Kelly over Marvin, etc. etc. Very predictable. Christina Milian and Ciara fans UNITE! R. KELLY IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES! LOL This is too funny. I agree that IBICF is a song you can listen to at any time. Mercy Mercy Me is What's goin on part 297. So I guess there is a link between R. Kelly and Marvin Gaye....they both try to recreate their strongest hits 50million different times. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Oct 4, 2004 8:17:52 GMT -5
I Believe I Can Fly is a song that I actually like...but I had no idea so many people think its some grand classic of all time To me, it just seems like a pretty good little song haha. And I associate it directly with the movie....though I NEVER hear it anymore. |
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