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Post by Bob on Sept 29, 2004 10:15:23 GMT -5
I don't understand how he's had so many singles. Ever since "Ignition" he's been all over the charts, especially Urban. For instance right now he has his song with Jay-Z, a solo song, and two songs as a guest artist in the top 20 gainers at Urban. I don't think there's been a single week without multiple R. Kelly songs on the charts.
But he's not selling tons of album, he's not being talked about a lot, and I don't see a lot of hype. How is it that he's releasing so much music (and getting decent R&B hits) like this? I'm so confused. He releases so many that I never hear, but a lot of them end up top 20.
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Post by jlh527 on Sept 29, 2004 11:02:09 GMT -5
He's just that prolific!
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Post by Evergreen on Sept 29, 2004 11:58:45 GMT -5
R. Kelly is urguably the greatest R&B male singer ever, and people just don't get tired of him. He could be around forever.
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Post by Mega248 on Sept 29, 2004 13:55:26 GMT -5
Not really.
I don't know about the rest of the people here, but I've been tired of him since "Ignition"
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Post by Evergreen on Sept 29, 2004 14:28:16 GMT -5
Not really. I don't know about the rest of the people here, but I've been tired of him since "Ignition" He really is. He's by far the biggest of this generation. And if you look in terms of chart sucess, he'll come out number one over any R&B male ever.
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Post by Bob on Sept 29, 2004 14:46:22 GMT -5
He really is. He's by far the biggest of this generation. And if you look in terms of chart sucess, he'll come out number one over any R&B male ever. First, it's "arguably" not "urguably". Second, no comment. Third, I take that back-- even quantitatively he's behind Marvin Gaye as well as Stevie Wonder and maybe a couple more. Qualitatively he'll never get up there... prolific d.n.e. GOOD. I agree with Mega, I'm SICK of him. I thought everyone else was, too. Everything has been sounding the same for the last two years. It's not like he's selling THAT much, and he certainly isn't getting critical acclaim or even a lot of word of mouth... that's what this thread is about. How is he putting out so much music?? He's putting out more than Usher, who actually has the word of mouth and some critical acclaim.
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Post by Evergreen on Sept 29, 2004 15:47:53 GMT -5
Actually no, R. Kelly as sold several times as many records as both Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye. Do research, then speak.
I actually looked at a list of the best selling artist of all times before I spoke, it made a big difference.
No male R&B star is high than R. Kelly. Prince and Michael Jackson are higher, but have never been considered R&B singers.
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Post by Bob on Sept 29, 2004 15:53:12 GMT -5
Actually no, R. Kelly as sold several times as many records as both Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye. Do research, then speak. I actually looked at a list of the best selling artist of all times before I spoke, it made a big difference. No male R&B star is high than R. Kelly. Prince and Michael Jackson are higher, but have never been considered R&B singers. "Do research, then speak." How about you not speak at all, and not tell me what to do? Of course he's sold more albums, how many R&B albums do you think were sold in the 60's?! Marvin has way more hit singles, I believe he's #1 in Billboard's R&B book. You have lost 100% credibility with me, first Ciara and now R. Kelly better than Marvin Gaye?
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Post by Evergreen on Sept 29, 2004 15:58:19 GMT -5
I don't know why I can't say R. Kelly is better. He's definitely more successful. R. Kelly is still in the peak of his career and his potential is without limits.
I'm not denying Marvin Gaye's legend status, but I do believe that R. Kelly is the greatest living male R&B singer on the planet, and he is laying the groundwork to be the greatest ever.
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Post by mst3k on Sept 29, 2004 17:34:39 GMT -5
Actually no, R. Kelly as sold several times as many records as both Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye. Do research, then speak. I actually looked at a list of the best selling artist of all times before I spoke, it made a big difference. I'd like to see this list. If it's based on RIAA data (gold and platinum certs), then Stevie and Marvin are at a major (and unfair) disadvantage. Back in the '60s and '70s Motown Records was notorious for not submitting info to the RIAA to have singles and albums certified. For example, none of Stevie Wonder's 19 charted albums prior to 1980 was certified gold, despite three of those hitting #1. Do you really believe that Stevie's 1976 LP Songs In The Key Of Life, which spent 14 weeks at #1 and 80 weeks in the top 200, didn't sell even 500,000 copies?
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Post by strong4PMB! on Sept 29, 2004 17:52:08 GMT -5
LOL! Dorr is like Mineable, but serious.
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Post by Evergreen on Sept 29, 2004 18:12:38 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is. I think R. Kelly is more talented than Marvin Gaye.TEXTTEXTTEXT
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 29, 2004 18:25:32 GMT -5
LOL!Β Dorr is like Mineable, but serious. lmao
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Post by Bob on Sept 30, 2004 9:31:57 GMT -5
LOL!Β Dorr is like Mineable, but serious. Nominated, Best One-Liner 2004!
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Post by jlh527 on Sept 30, 2004 14:07:07 GMT -5
R.Kelly is the most proflific, most talented, and most versatile male artist of this generation, it's just that simple. NO male artist since his debut in 1990 holds a candle to R. Kelly when it comes to songwriting ability, staying power (he's been doing the damn thing for over a decade now), producing credibility, and sheer talent.
I know some people hate to admit it, but despite his current woes he along with Mary J. Blige are the first legends of the R&B/Hip-Hop generation.
R. Kelly has manage to set himself apart from Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye, while at he same time paying homage to them. I think it is unfair to compare the three, because they are all legends in their own right.
Don't get it twisted Stevie is the MAN!!
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Post by jond7699 on Sept 30, 2004 23:22:33 GMT -5
I personally don't like much of Stevie or Marvin's music. Too each their own.
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Post by j on Oct 1, 2004 9:24:20 GMT -5
But he's not selling tons of album He just had an album debut at #2. You must have been one of those people who expressed shock about it in that topic.
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Post by echarter on Oct 1, 2004 10:41:11 GMT -5
"Do research, then speak." How about you not speak at all, and not tell me what to do? Of course he's sold more albums, how many R&B albums do you think were sold in the 60's?! Marvin has way more hit singles, I believe he's #1 in Billboard's R&B book. You have lost 100% credibility with me, first Ciara and now R. Kelly better than Marvin Gaye? Motown didn't apply for certification of albums until 1980. So we don't really know how many albums Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder have sold.
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Post by echarter on Oct 1, 2004 10:42:27 GMT -5
I personally don't like much of Stevie or Marvin's music.Β Too each their own. :o It's clear that you're not an R&B fan then
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Oct 1, 2004 10:46:20 GMT -5
Yeah, he's set himself apart all right. Marvin and Stevie never pissed on young girls.
Personally, I refuse to knowingly buy anything R. Kelly has produced, written, or sung, because I don't want to support him and what he's done. If one of his songs comes on the radio, I might not change the station, but I don't want my money going into his coffers. Same with Michael Jackson. To me it's strange how few people seem to even care, as compared to MJ. Is it because Michael molested boys and R. molested girls, the latter which is considered more "normal"? He's done a track for the new Ruben Studdard gospel album. I've seen many posts on message boards from people saying they would've bought it if R. Kelly wasn't involved.
I think he's genuinely talented. He should have a studio in his jail cell to use between dropping the soap in front of Bubba, and all his profits should go to a charity for the people he has hurt and others like them.
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Post by Ragin on Oct 1, 2004 11:04:03 GMT -5
R. Kelly is a fantastic singer, but I lost a lot of respect for him with the horribly written Ignition.
He sells tons of albums, so I don't know why someone would say he doesn't sell well. His stuff come out of nowhere and sells 400,000 copies in the first week.
He is not a particularly soulful singer, so I think it's tough comparing him to Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder each of which have a little soul thrown in the mix. I think it's a far more appropriate comparison to put him up to Brian McKnight, Peabo Bryson, or Luther Vandross, and he blows them out of the water in my opinion.
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Post by KikiMets on Oct 1, 2004 12:08:08 GMT -5
To me it's strange how few people seem to even care, as compared to MJ. Is it because Michael molested boys and R. molested girls, the latter which is considered more "normal"? I think you just hit the nail on the head there.
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Post by Evergreen on Oct 1, 2004 13:23:03 GMT -5
I don't think people care because the girls on the R. Kelly tapes look like grown as women, not little girls.
Also, it's where he met the girls. He met them a nightclub where you had to be 18+ to get into, so it was completely reasonable for him to assume they were grown.
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Post by jond7699 on Oct 1, 2004 13:44:29 GMT -5
:o It's clear that you're not an R&B fan thenΒ Actually I am a big fan of R&B music. Just not a huge fan of "Ol' School"
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Oct 1, 2004 14:37:51 GMT -5
People in Chicago have said that R. likes to crawl around middle schools in the area. One person in particular said that he could be in a room with sexy women of all ages that were interested in him, but that he'd go for the shy-looking one sitting in the corner with braces. And the whole situation with Aaliyah is incredibly suspicious. (Not her death, just the whole relationship.)
And wasn't the girl on the tape his goddaughter? How could he possibly not know how old she was?!?
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Post by strong4PMB! on Oct 1, 2004 15:23:22 GMT -5
One of the girls in the video looks, like, 10. There's no way he could've thought she looked over 18. She looks like Ashanti when she was younger.
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Post by bluenote on Oct 1, 2004 17:22:43 GMT -5
R. Kelly is an urban artist that gets alot of urban airplay because he makes music the urban audience wants to hear. I dont think it gets any more simple then that. He is a prodcuer and artist. One of the most sought after producers in urban music, he is on a good number of the tracks he prduces, and he is an artist. he bound to be all over urban radio.
He is shaping himself up to be as big of a legend as Marvin Gay, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and so on. We cant all see it right now because we are living in it, but 15 years down the road he will definately be recognized as a great artist and musician. you never know who will become a "legend" until years and yeas down the road but he is definately on his way. I think he i already a r&b legend in many ways. He has had a long career now and is showing no signs of stopping. Not many people can say they have been at the peak of their careers for 7 or 8 years and STILL going with NO signs of stopping. thats a legendary accomplishment all on its own. Most people dont become legends until they have actually stopped recording or died like Marvin Gay and Ray Charles.
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Post by Bob on Oct 1, 2004 23:10:58 GMT -5
but all the artists who are legends put out QUALITY music, not just popular music, and they usually put out songs with a lot of meaning. without that, r. kelly won't be a real legend. yeah he'll be remembered as a big time artist, but not on the same scale at all.
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Post by mst3k on Oct 1, 2004 23:21:26 GMT -5
What... you don't think "Sex Me", "Bump N Grind", and "Ignition" had a lot of meaning? ;)
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Post by bluenote on Oct 2, 2004 17:54:14 GMT -5
but all the artists who are legends put out QUALITY music, not just popular music, and they usually put out songs with a lot of meaning. without that, r. kelly won't be a real legend. yeah he'll be remembered as a big time artist, but not on the same scale at all. "I believe I can fly" is like a true classic and meaningful song. He has alot of quality motivational songs and classic R&b songs. "Step in the name of love" "The worlds greatest" "you saved me" "i wish" and some others. he has tons of quality music i dont even feel like listing. Sure he has his club ongs that are just good for partys but he has more then his share of classic songs with meaning. "step in the name of love" bought real dancing back to the clubs. He has alot of appeal and influence in the urban community and in urban music marvin Gaye sure had his share of sexual songs like "lets get it on" which is only about 1 thing , but he also has his motivational songs like "whats goin on.". As an entertainer you have to have versatility, that all aprart of the job. R. kelly as put out plenty of quality along with his popular songs. he has got to be one of the most talented men in music. He has the vocals, song writing ability, production ablity, ect. i dont think any one can touch him musically or has the ability to set the trends in music that he does.
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