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Post by Bob on Apr 21, 2005 20:16:02 GMT -5
I think I've come up with a good system to define whether a not a song is a hit or a miss (keeping in mind that some songs function outside any quantitative measurements, at least as far as radio goes).
If, by the time a song is "done" (i.e. when it's not longer in the top 50 of any airplay charts) it hasn't passed 200 million total audience impressions, it's a flop, etc. etc.
<100 Million = total flop 100 - 200M = flop 200 - 300M = minor hit 300 - 500M = hit 500 - 800M = big hit >800M = smash
Some songs actually end up with like 1.5 - 2 billion or more, those are mega hits.
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Post by PaNdeM0niuM! on Apr 21, 2005 23:13:13 GMT -5
Mariah Carey - It's Like That 741.129 million its definitely heading for SMASH !! ;)
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Post by Trebizond on Apr 22, 2005 1:46:47 GMT -5
Are those numbers international? If not how can you have an audience of 800+ million in a country of less than 300 million? ??? How does the system work?
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Post by kellydicted on Apr 22, 2005 1:48:51 GMT -5
Are those numbers international? If not how can you have an audience of 800+ million in a country of less than 300 million? ??? How does the system work? It's cumulitive.
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Post by Matt4319 on Apr 22, 2005 1:55:54 GMT -5
Nelly's "My Place" has 1.792 billion impressions. I'm not sure many would say that's a "mega hit".
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Post by KikiMets on Apr 22, 2005 9:01:46 GMT -5
And going by the current conversion rate in place on the Hot 100, how to measure a hit by digital downloads:
<50K = total flop 50 - 100K = flop 100 - 150K = minor hit 150 - 250K = hit 250 - 400K = big hit >400K = smash
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Post by jimmy74747 on Apr 22, 2005 9:30:37 GMT -5
I think it also depends on the artist. If 50 cent gets 300M of audience impression, I'd consider that a total flop. However, if a new r&b crooner (say someone in the style of a Johnny Gill) gets 300M of audience impression, its a very big hit.
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Post by KikiMets on Apr 22, 2005 9:32:47 GMT -5
I think it also depends on the artist. If 50 cent gets 300M of audience impression, I'd consider that a total flop. However, if a new r&b crooner (say someone in the style of a Johnny Gill) gets 300M of audience impression, its a very big hit. Very good point. A 50 single could conceivably rack up 300 million in 2 weeks.
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Post by Vanilla Bean on Apr 22, 2005 10:38:57 GMT -5
Here's the scale i would use on Popular artists (50 Cent, Eminem, Nelly, Christina Aguilera, Jennifer Lopez, Kelly Clarkson, Britney Spears, Avril Lavigne, Beyonce, etc)
0-499 Million: Flop 500-1 Billion: Minor Hit 1 Billion-2 Billion: Hit 2 Billion-3 Billion: Smash 3 Billion +: Mega Smash
For example, let's look at Christina Aguilera's songs off of "Stripped". She released 5 singles, and here's where they all landed
Dirrty: 861.365 million (Minor Hit) Beautiful: 3,738,748 billion (Mega Smash) Fighter: 1,221,353 billion (Hit) Can't Hold Us Down: 1,250,134 billion (Hit) The Voice Within: 478.657 million (Flop)
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Post by Bob on Apr 22, 2005 13:58:24 GMT -5
hits are NOT that relative.
are you going to say that a one-hit wonder that gets 800M total airplay is a much bigger hit than an established artist that gets the same? is it going to be more memorable? no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 13:58:52 GMT -5
No Bob.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 22, 2005 14:08:00 GMT -5
This seems to be weighted towards Rhy/Urban hits. I dont think you can just look at audience numbers and have a cut off point to say something is a hit or flop. SO many different factors go into it...
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 22, 2005 14:08:35 GMT -5
(keeping in mind that some songs function outside any quantitative measurements, at least as far as radio goes). . Ok nevermind-that kind of speaks to what I said haha.
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Post by laguy03 on Apr 22, 2005 18:33:48 GMT -5
Wow! Ciara's "Goodies" have 3.4 billion right now and gaining about 17 million this week alone! :o
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Post by voir c'est croire on Apr 23, 2005 22:27:40 GMT -5
can someone explain how they do this system. i enver got what it was. is it like how many people have listened to the song total? and how do they tell?
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Apr 24, 2005 20:06:27 GMT -5
Xtina "BEAUTIFUL" was last in the 3 billion #'s heading 4 the 4 billion range!! :o Is that the biggest audience impression song or is there one w/over 4 billion already
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Post by bluenote on Apr 24, 2005 20:13:24 GMT -5
Sorry to break it to ya, but a flop for an established artist is pretty much anything that doesnt at least hit top 20-40 on the hot 100 and that depends on the previous track record. An artist pretty much defines their own rules for what is or isnt a flop for them.
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Apr 24, 2005 21:12:35 GMT -5
so "THE VOICE WITHIN" wasnt a flop..! it hit #33 or #35 not sure which one.. y did ppl make it out 2 be such a huge flop? ??? Also which is the song w/the most audience impression ever.. is there a song over 4 billion?
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Post by bluenote on Apr 24, 2005 21:58:22 GMT -5
so "THE VOICE WITHIN" wasnt a flop..! it hit #33 or #35 not sure which one.. y did ppl make it out 2 be such a huge flop? ??? Also which is the song w/the most audience impression ever.. is there a song over 4 billion? Well it also depends on where it peaked at on her core format which is pop. Certain artists who establish themselves as hit makers are held to a higher standard of performance. "the voice within" was a flop compared to "beautiful" and "cant hold us down" but it wasnt the biggest flop ever. Also, it was her 5th single so it wasnt really expected to do as well as her other singles.
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Post by britrocks16 on Apr 24, 2005 22:51:25 GMT -5
so "THE VOICE WITHIN" wasnt a flop..! it hit #33 or #35 not sure which one.. y did ppl make it out 2 be such a huge flop? ??? Also which is the song w/the most audience impression ever.. is there a song over 4 billion? uhh....there are soo many songs over 4 billion. For example, Ushers Yeah is about 5.5 billion. 50's In da club is also around there. There are many many many many songs over 4 billion.
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Post by Vanilla Bean on Apr 25, 2005 1:00:14 GMT -5
uhh....there are soo many songs over 4 billion. For example, Ushers Yeah is about 5.5 billion. 50's In da club is also around there. There are many many many many songs over 4 billion. There are many, but not many many many many. Stop trying to belittle Christina.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 25, 2005 7:25:07 GMT -5
There are many, but not many many many many. Stop trying to belittle Christina. lol-I dont think she/he is one of those people who feels like they constantly have to praise Britney and bash or belittle everyone else, but she/he did make it sound like pretty much every song is over 4 billion in audience I dont think a handful really means manyX4 or 5
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Post by britrocks16 on Apr 25, 2005 17:50:03 GMT -5
lol-I dont think she/he is one of those people who feels like they constantly have to praise Britney and bash or belittle everyone else, but she/he did make it sound like pretty much every song is over 4 billion in audience I dont think a handful really means manyX4 or 5 lol, i was just saying that pretty much every song that has hit #1 on the hot 100 in the past 2-3 years is over 4 billion.
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Post by Matt4319 on Apr 25, 2005 17:55:38 GMT -5
Santana's "Smooth"
7,789,596,000 impressions
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Post by britrocks16 on Apr 25, 2005 18:08:22 GMT -5
Santana's "Smooth" 7,789,596,000 impressions :o :o :o :o Songs like How You Remind Me are also like that.
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Post by britrocks16 on Apr 25, 2005 18:09:12 GMT -5
There are many, but not many many many many. Stop trying to belittle Christina. lol im not belittling christina, im a fan of hers im just saying....Beautiful was HUGE.
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Post by Bob on Apr 25, 2005 18:13:28 GMT -5
I think I've come up with a good system to define whether a not a song is a hit or a miss (keeping in mind that some songs function outside any quantitative measurements, at least as far as radio goes). If, by the time a song is "done" (i.e. when it's not longer in the top 50 of any airplay charts) it hasn't passed 200 million total audience impressions, it's a flop, etc. etc. <100 Million = total flop 100 - 200M = flop 200 - 300M = minor hit 300 - 500M = hit 500 - 800M = big hit >800M = smash Some songs actually end up with like 1.5 - 2 billion or more, those are mega hits. You're all ignoring that part--- A song may have "only" reached 500M in the time it was actually on the charts, and then hit a billion later.
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Post by Matt4319 on Apr 25, 2005 18:18:10 GMT -5
I still think your numbers are too low, Bob. Mario's "Let Me Love You" is #19 on Pop and Rhythmic (about to go recurrent) and is already at 3.8 billion. If you want to call that a mega hit, that's fine, but 3-4 billion should be a mega hit, 1.5-2 billion a smash, etc.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 25, 2005 18:22:04 GMT -5
Well it also depends on where it peaked at on her core format which is pop. Certain artists who establish themselves as hit makers are held to a higher standard of performance. "the voice within" was a flop compared to "beautiful" and "cant hold us down" but it wasnt the biggest flop ever. Also, it was her 5th single so it wasnt really expected to do as well as her other singles. The general public does not think like this. Generally, if an artist is in the top 40 and has about the average longevity its a hit. Only the critics make the distinction of ohhh it must be a flop because every their 6th song only went to #9 when their last 5 songs went to #1.
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Apr 26, 2005 21:18:31 GMT -5
anybody know how much the following songs have: Genie in a Bottle What a Girl Wants I turn to you Come on Over Baby(All I want is you) Nobody Wants to be Lonely Lady Marmalade thanx
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