Carrie's Pop Crossover, good idea?

[Filthy Pop]

Do you think that Carrie crossing over to pop with BHC is going to be a good idea? Will it hurt her in the country world?

[SAY IT RIGHT]

Bad idea. Pop doesnt care bout her.

[Minimalism]

I think it is too soon. She should just concentrate on the country format as of now. Pop Crossover can come with the next album

[EmersonDrive13Rocks]

I'm looking into my crystal ball right now and I see the future!!! Wait it is becoming clearer. I'm focusing in on the peak chart position right now. I can almost make it out clearly. Oops I just droped my crystal ball and it broke. Maybe I should ask my magic 8 ball.

Seriously though if it becomes a huge pop hit and she stills has huge country hits while selling many more albums then yes.

If it flops at pop but she still gets huge country airplay and the album still sells then who cares.

If it flops or does well at pop but negatively effect her country airplay then it is a bad move.

I don't see how it won't help album sales though and I think it will be a minor pop hit peaking top 30.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I think if they can gaurantee that she'll have success on pop that will extend into her next album then it'll be good but otherwise, no. Her album sales are good and there's no reason to believe that her next album will flop as long as main promo is kept within country boundaries.

[when the pawn...]

I think it's a bad idea. I would've seen it coming if maybe her first two singles made some noise at Pop but they haven't. (I personally don't know if this will do to hot at Pop anyway) As long as she keeps her next album straight country like her debut, I think it'll be fine but if she tries to move into the pop world, she will be alienated at Country and I don't think she'd have nearly as much success at pop.

[Pulse]

Yeah, even Shania and Faith didnt really even have crossover singles until their third albums. This seems like a ballsy move.

[sbp17]

Plus, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. She's gonna easily topple $4M even without a crossover hit. That's very good so it's not worth the risk.

[drock89]

thepulse said:

Yeah, even Shania and Faith didnt really even have crossover singles until their third albums. This seems like a ballsy move.

[John77]

fanofallmusic said:

Do you think that Carrie crossing over to pop with BHC is going to be a good idea? Will it hurt her in the country world?

I think it will be a good idea, because I think it will break the stereotype that Carrie is only about Country... she showed her versatility on AI with songs of many different formats, and even in concert, she does a couple of Guns N' Roses songs... the true fans of Carrie's already know (and love) the fact that she is a Country girl at heart but that she can do stuff outside of the boundaries...

If past artists are any reflection, it shouldn't hurt her in the slightest... Faith and LeAnn Rimes have crossed over and are both doing very well these days Country...

So, in summary it really can only help her IMHO...

[leilamaurizia]

If past artists are any reflection, it shouldn't hurt her in the slightest... Faith and LeAnn Rimes have crossed over and are both doing very well these days Country...

Hey John, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, but funny that you should mention Faith and LeAnn in particular. IMO, those two (along with Shania) are exactly the warning signs for why it might not be a good idea for Carrie's label to actively push for a crossover. LeAnn was shut out at the ACMs and CMAs despite having 3 Top 10 singles from This Woman. And she was lucky to even get those Top 10's, with country radio embracing her again after a looong time of giving her the cold shoulder for crossing over. Faith was also shut out at the ACMs despite having, during the eligibility period, around 3 Top 10 singles also and Mississippi Girl even going #1. Likewise, Shania has repeatedly been shut out at award shows. Crossing over is definitely a risk, especially for country females.

As for Carrie, I already stated my opinion on the CHR/Pop section, but in addition: She doesn't need it, she doesn't want it, but if Arista New York pushes for it, what can she do? As others have mentioned, let's just hope she's at a level right now where the industry will give her a free pass this time.

[Pulse]

John, how would you feel if Carrie went into hip hop influenced R&B? ;)

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I don't think it'll be worth the risk. Especially if she doesn't even succeed with getting a major pop hit.

[stuffy]

I don't believe for a second that this is Carrie's idea. She said she was done releasing songs to pop radio. This totally smells of record company greed. I would love it to be successful, but I don't think it will. It's not a dance song.

[soundmachine]

erfrank said:

I think it's a bad idea. I would've seen it coming if maybe her first two singles made some noise at Pop but they haven't. (I personally don't know if this will do to hot at Pop anyway) As long as she keeps her next album straight country like her debut, I think it'll be fine but if she tries to move into the pop world, she will be alienated at Country and I don't think she'd have nearly as much success at pop.

Dumb question here but How come Rascal Flatts can hit the pop charts and not be alienated by country?, Surely if RF can do it Carrie has an even better chance. Why?, because people learned of Carrie on Idol. On Idol she did it all and they still loved her. Back to my question, how come RF can and you think she can't?
Thanks

[Pulse]

They didnt solicit WHTM. It just sort of happened by itself. And it didnt get play on the major stations or go that far on the Pop charts anyway.

I think they want a full crossover a la Shania with major play on the big stations, MTV coverage and the like.

[monuda89]

Bad idea... but as long as it doesn't harm Carrie's position in Country, then I'm fine.

[Love Plastic Love]

thepulse said:

They didnt solicit WHTM. It just sort of happened by itself. And it didnt get play on the major stations or go that far on the Pop charts anyway.

I think they want a full crossover a la Shania with major play on the big stations, MTV coverage and the like.

What Hurts The Most had an adds date AND a pop remix. And I believe it went top 30 didnt it? ??? ??? ???
So why can RF release a pop remix that goes fairly far on Hot Ac and Pop and not be penalized, but Carrie definitely will? Is it because she is a female or a newer artist?

[Pulse]

There was never an adds date for What Hurts The Most. It just kind of caught on by itself (like My Humps and Where'd You Go started unsolicitated).

Unless, Im missing something, just to be sure, I looked at the archive thread of songs going for adds here (for All Access) and the FMQB archive and didnt see anything.

And I think that Mix was meant for HAC (It was called the "Hot Mix" I believe), but it just caught on with some pop stations

[Love Plastic Love]

There WAS a pop adds date. I remember discussing it with some of my chart friends and finding it weird because it was SO much after it peaked on country. Maybe they pulled it last second, but there was definitely a date.
And there was a remix literally called the pop mix-I have it on my computer. And All Access had ads for it, on pop, saying things like "Great song and hits more of your audience than you think!" I remember agreeing with it (because I think country is more popular than pop radio would like to believe)

I just dont buy that it wasnt solicited at all...because it was. A pop remix was sent to stations and promoted.
And I just checked its airplay stats and several major markets did play it. No, not New York City, but places like Atlanta play/played it quite frequently as well as other pretty major markets.

[Pulse]

Well, where did you see the adds date?

All Access does change things around, but Fei kept that archive here, so even if they got rid on All Access, the date would still be somewhere in that thread.
pulsemusic.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=1143103679

And theres the FMQB archive, and they never seem to erase anything, not even cancelled adds
www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=69239

Personally, I remember it gaining airplay and looking for an adds date and being confused by a lack of one. I didnt look at the Billboard/R&R chart for adds consistently around that time. Is that where you saw it? I think I saw it mentioned on All Access too, but only on the "Cool New Music" section and not the actual adds section.

[Love Plastic Love]

Ill ask my friend when he gets online-I just remember both of us celebrating because they were going for a pop hit even though the song was so old and seeing it advertised on all access all over the pop section.
Either way though, I do not call that a "well, radio just randomly picked up the song from another format"
A pop mix was sent to pop stations and promoted. Major stations picked it up. Thats different to me than radio playing it with absolutely no reason, push, or promotion, just because they want to.

[EmersonDrive13Rocks]

Lets clarify something on "What Hurts The Most". It didn't have a Pop adds date but it did have an adds date for both Hot AC and AC radio. It peaked at Pop at #24 on the Mediabase chart. Right now it is #10 at Hot AC and #3 at AC with bullets at both. It is #33 right now at Mainstream Top 40 on Mediabase and dropping.

[Pulse]

Thanks carrietakethewheel, thats what I thought. #24 without an adds date is pretty good and good for a country song too. I think thats a higher peak than You'll Think of Me,Live Like You Were Dying, Who Says You Can't Go Home

[popmusicaddict]

Eh, Kelly did it or is doing it so why not Carrie - so long as she doesn't change her music style drastically with her next album.

It would be good for her Career to show she is versitle and woulda kinda stray her away from the AI stuff; it might not be good for her success persay. She has dominated Country. Its a RISK for sure - if she went from Pop from the start there's no way she woulda been as successful as she was with Mariah, Kelly, Christina and all them around but now that she was highly successful from Country a crossover isn't such a bad idea since she has already got that success from Country.

If that makes sense at all

[John77]

popmusicaddict said:

Eh, Kelly did it or is doing it so why not Carrie - so long as she doesn't change her music style drastically with her next album. 

It would be good for her Career to show she is versitle and woulda kinda stray her away from the AI stuff;  it might not be good for her success persay. She has dominated Country.  Its a RISK for sure - if she went from Pop from the start there's no way she woulda been as successful as she was with Mariah, Kelly, Christina and all them around but now that she was highly successful from Country a crossover isn't such a bad idea since she has already got that success from Country.

If that makes sense at all 

One thing which seems to be overlooked some here is that Carrie does do a couple of "pop songs" by Guns N' Roses in concert... her core fans are pretty used to the fact that she's doing some pop stuff and probably won't have any problems accepting this release...

As long as she sticks to her core Country audience with each album she shouldn't have any problems IMHO.