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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 9:46:40 GMT -5
Nothing against Herbie - he's VERY talented and I have the utmost respect for him... but he didn't deserve that award. Then again, they've only gotten it right once (2003) in the past 8 years... What didn't you like about his album?
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 11, 2008 9:55:36 GMT -5
Also I can't believe what I'm reading a few pages back about people saying Kanye's using his mother to get albums sales. Show some damn respect! Do you think that given the choice of selling another million copies of his album and having his Mama back he'd chose the former? Some people are sick. He was honoring his late mother on the most important night of the musical calender and gave the performance of his life - amazing how people can pick apart something like that.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 10:24:14 GMT -5
I have no doubt Kanye loved his mother, but considering Kanye's actions in regards to sales and awards, I have little doubt that he would capitalize on her death. That probably comes across more callous than I mean it to, but whatever.
Oh, and I am not necessarily referring to his performance last night either. I just mean in a general sense. Kanye has never been the most respectful person (or close to it) when it comes to awards and sales.
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Post by sdot23 on Feb 11, 2008 10:37:39 GMT -5
Wow, some people seriously believe Kanye is exploiting his mother's death for more attention and record sales? Shame.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 10:45:40 GMT -5
^ And you know him so well to know for 100% fact it isn't true? The reality is that none of us know Kanye and don't know his true feelings or intentions. But this is a man who has rushed the stage at an awards show, who has dissed artists who beat him at awards shows, and who has had a feud with another artist to improve his sales. To that end, you should at least be able to understand why people might think that, even if you disagree.
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 11, 2008 10:47:12 GMT -5
Wow, some people seriously believe Kanye is exploiting his mother's death for more attention and record sales? Shame. Indeed. It's a disturbing display confusion of professional swagger/arrogance/showmanship with a twisted plan to boost sales off of the back of the loss of the most important figure of his life. Ugly.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 10:49:09 GMT -5
So Janet, Michael, Justin, and Mary J didn't perform, right? And Carrie and Brad never did a duet. There were a lot of untrue rumors this year, some from very official sources.
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Post by kcchica on Feb 11, 2008 11:05:20 GMT -5
I know this was brought up many pages ago, but I am just reading all of them now.
Duh, of course she was, she is in her 20's, while Tina is in her late 60's/early 70's. It showed Bee has class, to show respect for a women who has had a tremendous career and is a strong woman.
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 11, 2008 11:14:19 GMT -5
I know this was brought up many pages ago, but I am just reading all of them now. Duh, of course she was, she is in her 20's, while Tina is in her late 60's/early 70's. It showed Bee has class, it show respect for a women has had a tremendous career and is a strong woman. Agreed.
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 11, 2008 11:21:51 GMT -5
For me the night was just strange. there were a few exceptional performances but overall, for it being the 50th anniversary it seemed half-assed.
I thought Alicia's opening number with Frank Sinatra was kind of stupid. She didn't even sync up her singing with his and at times actually shouted over him.
Carrie - it just seemed contrived and forced. Like she was "trying' to have an amazing Grammy performance but it just came across as over rehearsed, right down to the finger wag and sneer. The end was unbelieveably showy and ill fitting for that song...I believe that is what most people call yelly on other performers....
Beyonce and Tina were very good together but you could tell Beyonce was holding back for Tina's sake. Gotta give credit to Tina though, the woman is pushing 70 and her voice still sounds great.
RiRi and the Time - I thought RiRi looked beautiful. I'm not a huge fan of her live but her songs are fantastic and she's a good performer
John Legend/Fergie - egads...who told this girl she was a belter? she sounds like she's singing through her nose or at least form the back of her throat...it's not a pretty sound at all.... John Legend seemed to have a wtf look on his face at the end....and what's with her ghetto speak? does this girl not know how to speak properly? annoying
Herbie Hancock with Rhapsody in Blue- AMAZING! the guy who played with him was phenomenal to watch and they put on a hell of a performance
Foo Fighters - LOVE that song and LOVE dave but the sound wasn't great, probably from being outside..still one of the hottest performances of the night for sure! but yeah the mygrammy moment schtick was lame...the girl who won wasn't even featured...last year's with Justin was much better
Kayne - I liked his performance and I'm not a fan...I think he's arrogant and cocky...but he does take risks with his music and is innovative...I hate his speeches though... and no, I don't think he's using the death of his mother to sell more records...he doesn't need to do that, he sells plenty.
Josh Groban/Andrea Bocelli - WOW...love them.... their voices are fantastic.....
Brad Paisley - he's hot! Love that song Ticks and he was authentically country which I loved.
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Post by Kal-El on Feb 11, 2008 11:25:09 GMT -5
^ Interesting recap, thanks for that :)
I actually happen to think it's the best awards show I've seen in years. Each to their own...
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Post by d.t.m on Feb 11, 2008 11:38:16 GMT -5
With this being the 50th anniversary I guess it really isn't a surprise that a respected vet(Herbie) won the top prize. I do not think Amy and Kanye split the vote at all. Amy most likely came in second, but still probably was a distant second to a man that, if I'm not correct, never won AOTY.
It's also the second jazz album to win AOTY(after Unforgettable, and not counting Come Away With Me).
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Post by boyan on Feb 11, 2008 11:40:24 GMT -5
I loved the whole show this year! but we could've live without that Feist ''performance" :S lol that was booorrriiing! IMO
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Post by d.t.m on Feb 11, 2008 11:43:23 GMT -5
LOL, you guys do realize that T-Pain is a Grammy winner, right?
Akon was upset by Ne-YO.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 11:57:38 GMT -5
It's also the second jazz album to win AOTY(after Unforgettable, and not counting Come Away With Me). Frank Sinatra has won Album 3 times, and I feel like some other jazz artists won early on in the history of the awards as well.
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Post by d.t.m on Feb 11, 2008 12:06:06 GMT -5
It's also the second jazz album to win AOTY(after Unforgettable, and not counting Come Away With Me). Frank Sinatra has won Album 3 times, and I feel like some other jazz artists won early on in the history of the awards as well. Most would agree that Frank was POP first and foremost. And no other jazz artists, other than the ones mentioned, won the big prize for JAZZ ALBUMS before--key difference.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 12:10:54 GMT -5
^ Who is "most" and how did you determine that?
Even Herbie said it has been 43 years since a jazz album won. 43 years ago Frank Sinatra won for September Of My Years.
And what genre would you place Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto in for their Album winner? That album is considered a jazz classic and also won Grammys in the Jazz categories.
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Post by banet2001 on Feb 11, 2008 12:17:53 GMT -5
What is the point of throwing left-field, obscure or not-so-established artists into the competition when the award goes to the obvious/safest choice? X 1000 Because maybe the obscure or not-so-established artists released material that deserved to get nominated. Grammy's are not just about the winners, it is about getting recognized by the Academy and a nomination for an award is such recognition. Besides, if the artist continues to release quality material, he/she/they won't be so obscure next time around and will get some votes based on name recognition. Grammy nominations can help make a name for relatively unknown artists.
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Post by d.t.m on Feb 11, 2008 12:26:11 GMT -5
^ Who is "most" and how did you determine that? Even Herbie said it has been 43 years since a jazz album won. 43 years ago Frank Sinatra won for September Of My Years. And what genre would you place Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto in for their Album winner? That album is considered a jazz classic and also won Grammys in the Jazz categories. Frank did excell in jazz, but because he crossed over so successfully on the POP charts I would say that's what the general public remember him for. The NY Times even dubbed him "The Master Stylist of POP" or something like that when he died. And Herbie musta forgot about Natalie Cole's Unforgettable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 12:44:12 GMT -5
In My Own and Humble Opinion: - Album Of The Year? Kanye was robbed, Amy too, to a minor extent. - Best Dance Recording? WTF? - Best Electronic/Dance Album? Please, Justice or LCD Soundsystem HAD to win this, it's not 1997 anymore... - Best Hard Rock Performance? Queens Of The Stone Age should have won. - Best Female R&B Vocal Performance and Best R&B Song? "When I See U" was robbed. Twice! What is the point of throwing left-field, obscure or not-so-established artists into the competition when the award goes to the obvious/safest choice? X 1000 It should not be about the biggest hits, it should be about the quality. Well, it's rarely the case! ... Album of the year going to Herbie Hancock would certainly be more about quality and less about the biggest hit ???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 13:58:22 GMT -5
Whateves I question more why those songs even got nominated, more than why Justin won. In the Pop category he really didn't have any competition. Those other songs are good, but hasn't made an impact at all... Hello! Buble's & Mayer's songs are way much better than Justins. >:(
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Post by colson on Feb 11, 2008 14:18:52 GMT -5
Natalie Cole: Amy Winehouse Didn't Deserve to Win GrammysNot everyone was happy about Amy Winehouse’s big win at the Grammys Sunday night.“I don’t think she deserved it,” previous Grammy-winning singer Natalie Cole said. “I think she needs to get her life together first, and then get the awards later." Winehouse took a break from rehab to perform via satellite from London at the Grammys and collect five awards. Cole also called Winehouse “crazy,” and complained that we are teaching youngsters that they can get rewarded for bad behavior. Winehouse won in the categories of best female artist, best female pop vocal performance, best song, record of the year and best pop vocal album. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330324,00.html
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Post by busyboy on Feb 11, 2008 14:20:41 GMT -5
In My Own and Humble Opinion: - Album Of The Year? Kanye was robbed, Amy too, to a minor extent. - Best Dance Recording? WTF? - Best Electronic/Dance Album? Please, Justice or LCD Soundsystem HAD to win this, it's not 1997 anymore... - Best Hard Rock Performance? Queens Of The Stone Age should have won. - Best Female R&B Vocal Performance and Best R&B Song? "When I See U" was robbed. Twice! What is the point of throwing left-field, obscure or not-so-established artists into the competition when the award goes to the obvious/safest choice? X 1000 It should not be about the biggest hits, it should be about the quality. Well, it's rarely the case! ... Album of the year going to Herbie Hancock would certainly be more about quality and less about the biggest hit ??? Awww, I thought I'd posted a separate paragraph for album of the year. Well, I'll do it now, LOL... This main category is supposed to acknowledge the best (critically acclaimed) of the most popular albums of the year (good sales). This means that an album should have both elements to be nominated for AOTY. Including Herbie and Vince is OK considering the critical acclaim, but they didn't have much of an impact sales-wise. This is alright if we consider a genre-specific nomination, but not if we're talking AOTY.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 14:20:54 GMT -5
Frank did excell in jazz, but because he crossed over so successfully on the POP charts I would say that's what the general public remember him for. The NY Times even dubbed him "The Master Stylist of POP" or something like that when he died. And Herbie musta forgot about Natalie Cole's Unforgettable. Except that using your argument, Natalie's album was so popular it must be considered pop. She even won in Traditional Pop that year.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2008 14:21:34 GMT -5
This main category is supposed to acknowledge the best (critically acclaimed) of the most popular albums of the year (good sales). This means that an album should have both elements to be nominated for AOTY. Where is that stated?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 14:26:25 GMT -5
Album of the year going to Herbie Hancock would certainly be more about quality and less about the biggest hit ??? Awww, I thought I'd posted a separate paragraph for album of the year. Well, I'll do it now, LOL... This main category is supposed to acknowledge the best (critically acclaimed) of the most popular albums of the year (good sales). This means that an album should have both elements to be nominated for AOTY. Including Herbie and Vince is OK considering the critical acclaim, but they didn't have much of an impact sales-wise. This is alright if we consider a genre-specific nomination, but not if we're talking AOTY. You're half right. "Album of the year" is definitely about honoring the albums with the highest critical acclaim. Album popularity though has nothing to do with the nominees & certainly not a factor in determining a winner. This has never really been the case Otherwise, 'High School Musical' would have been one of the nominees
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Post by busyboy on Feb 11, 2008 14:29:32 GMT -5
What is the point of throwing left-field, obscure or not-so-established artists into the competition when the award goes to the obvious/safest choice? X 1000 Because maybe the obscure or not-so-established artists released material that deserved to get nominated. Grammy's are not just about the winners, it is about getting recognized by the Academy and a nomination for an award is such recognition. Besides, if the artist continues to release quality material, he/she/they won't be so obscure next time around and will get some votes based on name recognition. Grammy nominations can help make a name for relatively unknown artists. I'm not sure if I agree with this. If yesterday's awards were supposed to represent the 'best' music of 2007, I think they should have done just that. Instead, we see the Chemical Brothers getting an award for Best Electronic/Dance album, when according to critics and sales too (in a way), Justice's or LCD Soundsystem's impact was bigger. I mean, it's cool that you don't have to be a big name to be nominated, but if you deserve an award THIS YEAR you should be getting it THIS YEAR. Otherwise, you're just lucky to have the chance to be recognized: it's no small reward, but not that satisfying either, IMO.
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Post by oscillations. on Feb 11, 2008 14:37:30 GMT -5
The fact that Kala didn't even get a nomination sort of obliterates any legitimacy these awards could have held this year.
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Post by busyboy on Feb 11, 2008 14:42:51 GMT -5
Awww, I thought I'd posted a separate paragraph for album of the year. Well, I'll do it now, LOL... This main category is supposed to acknowledge the best (critically acclaimed) of the most popular albums of the year (good sales). This means that an album should have both elements to be nominated for AOTY. Including Herbie and Vince is OK considering the critical acclaim, but they didn't have much of an impact sales-wise. This is alright if we consider a genre-specific nomination, but not if we're talking AOTY. You're half right. "Album of the year" is definitely about honoring the albums with the highest critical acclaim. Album popularity though has nothing to do with the nominees & certainly not a factor in determining a winner. This has never really been the case Well, I can't see any unknown artists on the AOTY nominations' list, so I would guess that popularity counts a lot, sometimes more than the critical reception of the record. Add in that an artist's PAST popularity and acclaim also have a role, and you see why Santana's Supernatural or U2's How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb were awarded Grammys for AOTY. They might have been good albums, but the best of the year? Really? Sales and popularity (both past and present) helped those album go the extra mile to receive Grammys in the main category. This year it's the opposite: an album that virtually nobody has heard got the Grammy. Both factors determine the win in this particular category.
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Post by SILENCE on Feb 11, 2008 14:52:23 GMT -5
Natalie Cole: Amy Winehouse Didn't Deserve to Win GrammysNot everyone was happy about Amy Winehouse’s big win at the Grammys Sunday night.“I don’t think she deserved it,” previous Grammy-winning singer Natalie Cole said. “I think she needs to get her life together first, and then get the awards later." Winehouse took a break from rehab to perform via satellite from London at the Grammys and collect five awards. Cole also called Winehouse “crazy,” and complained that we are teaching youngsters that they can get rewarded for bad behavior. Winehouse won in the categories of best female artist, best female pop vocal performance, best song, record of the year and best pop vocal album. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330324,00.html I don't disagree with natalie cole on this issue, however, is she REALLY the person to be throwing stones about having success while struggling with a drug addiction? Especially when you consider she won Grammy's in 1975/1976 Including BNA seemingly while struggling with her own drug dependency which she entered rehab for in the early 80s. Judge lest ye be Judged Natalie...
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