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Post by lion on Jul 19, 2007 3:33:42 GMT -5
There's exactly one song I really like on the whole MD album, and that's 'Be Still.' BE STILL is the only song from MD that I really don't like and NEVER listen to,while the other ones are AMAZING!!!
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Post by dperkins on Jul 19, 2007 3:41:28 GMT -5
There's exactly one song I really like on the whole MD album, and that's 'Be Still.' BE STILL is the only song from MD that I really don't like and NEVER listen to,while the other ones are AMAZING!!! Be Still is awesome. lol
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Post by trente31 on Jul 19, 2007 5:13:40 GMT -5
I agree with you. Nothing to me is "Dark and Joyless." It's a label "My December" has been given unfairly. But I think it's another reason why "How I Feel" should be the next single instead of "Sober." More as a countermeasure. 20 34 CLARKSON*KELLY NEVER AGAIN 23993 -37 37797 734364 5 CLARKSON*KELLY MY DECEMBER 58,593 113,316 463,426 Hopefully, she'll be Gold by next week. The more "Never Again" sells, the more it seems like a missed opportunity. This may not reach 1M. But even if it finishes with 800K, it's sad this wasn't pushed a little bit further. Go, KELLY! I like "Be Still" also. I think it's such a pretty song.
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Post by lion on Jul 19, 2007 5:46:12 GMT -5
BE STILL is way too weak for me,I wish the two bonus tracks(NOT TODAY and DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS) would have made the final tracklist instead of it...anyway,MD is a great record so I don't mind...
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Post by SILENCE on Jul 19, 2007 6:30:20 GMT -5
I don't find MD to be dark or joyless personally. I find most of the song rather fun to listen to. The lyrics are a bit dark in theme to be sure but the music surrounding them is not. It not all forboding drums beats and deep bass lines, slow and heavy, etc. Some people make this album sound as if it could fit into an old time horror movie.
I love the feel of Don't Waste Your Time and How I feel. The music is fun and the lyrics are great. Hole isn't dark either nor is Judas. Even Irvine with it's deeply personal and raw emotion isn't dark but is rather uplifting IMO. The quite whisper of her voice, the urgency in her prayer puts me at a place of peace and happiness when I listen to it. And then there is Chivas, which just cracks me up every single time.
Be Still is amazingly moving and beautiful and not dark at all either.
Haunted is the most amazing song to me right now. My mother died almost 20 years ago and as strange as it sounds I'm not sure I've ever really grieved or accepted that she's gone. I sat listening to Haunted about a week ago and such a sense of relief washout over me. It was like I had finally let go. Now I listen to that song everytime I want to think about my mother and feel close to her. I don't see how that is either dark or joyless.
IMO there isn't one song on this album I'd call overly dark or joyless.
Now to the "I'm a fan but hate everything Kelly does" people who come in here and trash everything Kelly does as if their lives depended on it don't bother explaining to me why I'm wrong or how I'm a mindless drone who can't accept that this album isn't good. I love this album and nothing that is said is going to change my mind on that fact.
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Post by SILENCE on Jul 19, 2007 6:52:26 GMT -5
another positive review of MD: www.stuff.co.nz/4133364a20855.htmlMy December - Kelly Clarkson By SIMON SWEETMAN - The Dominion Post | Thursday, 19 July 2007 3 stars My December is Kelly Clarkson's third album, following on from 2004?s hit, Breakaway. Win a Kelly Clarkson CD Clarkson of course was the first American Idol, she's also the first to transcend that gimmick and actually build an audience of her own, not entirely based on those that watched the television show. Here she continues on in the vein of a popchick turned rock-chick. She's essentially the Melissa Etheridge of the txt-msg generation; but equally appealing to girls and boys. And she is also to be praised for not being the usual bikini-model/actress-turned pop-singer; Kelly Clarkson is destined to be a classic American success story. She's the girl next door turned famous. My December has plenty of rock songs that sound like they have come from the heart (and, at times, like they have actually come from the band Heart). There are soppy ballads that are less sulky than the boring Brooke Fraser stuff. Kelly's more likeable than Lindsay Lohan (and less of a handful, obviously). And she's less self-consciously irritating than Pink. As a friend often says to me about harmless acts, Clarkson is not the enemy.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 19, 2007 9:48:00 GMT -5
Week 3:
5 CLARKSON*KELLY MY DECEMBER 58,593 113,316 463,426
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 19, 2007 9:53:49 GMT -5
[What a wonderful way of passing off your opinion as objective rather than subjective. What you are essentially saying is, this is what I have to say - don't disagree with me or you are a mindless fan, and the only reason a person would like the album is if they were in fact that. Bravo. Wrong. What I am saying -- and not essentially, but actually -- is the following: 1. One can dislike MD (and all the negative drama of this era), and still be a genuine fan of Kelly Clarkson. 2. People who sit around on an internet forum making it their mission to refute any point of view that doesn't TOTALLY adore Kelly are pathetic. However, such people are, indeed, fully entitled to waste large chunks of their precious time on earth in that way.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 19, 2007 10:05:32 GMT -5
IMO there isn't one song on this album I'd call overly dark or joyless. I love this album and nothing that is said is going to change my mind on that fact. You are quite entitled to your opinion. The problem comes when folks with your opinion seem hell-bent on either forcing others to like the album when they don't, or telling them how wrong they are for not loving the album. Speaking just for myself, MD is a tremendous disappointment. Speaking for my circle of friends and acquaintences, the consensus is that the album is too dark and joyless. Starting with the title and the cover: "My December?" From someone who was just 24 when she wrote it? With the majority of songs on it being all about a juvenile take on emotional pain and suffering? Puhleeeeze... This seems like an album that was aimed at Goth types.
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 19, 2007 10:08:33 GMT -5
IMO there isn't one song on this album I'd call overly dark or joyless. I love this album and nothing that is said is going to change my mind on that fact. You are quite entitled to your opinion. The problem comes when folks with your opinion seem hell-bent on either forcing others to like the album when they don't, or telling them how wrong they are for not loving the album. Speaking just for myself, MD is a tremendous disappointment. Speaking for my circle of friends and acquaintences, the consensus is that the album is too dark and joyless. Starting with the title and the cover: "My December?" From someone who was just 24 when she wrote it? With the majority of songs on it being all about a juvenile take on emotional pain and suffering? Puhleeeeze... This seems like an album that was aimed at Goth types. I dont know if im misunderstanding u or something. but what your saying is that because she wrote it at 24 means that she has no emtional pain at all. She has gone through a lot. her parents divorce. her friend commiting suicide, being called fat, no one believes in you and being cheated on. Im 14 and trust me half the nights I cry myself to sleep because of emotional pain. does that mean im not really feeling emotional pain to?
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Post by GiggaWho on Jul 19, 2007 10:23:19 GMT -5
Guys some people are going to like the album, some people aren't. Live and let live. Don't try to bully other people into agreeing with your opinion (that goes for both sides) and absolutely don't resort to calling each other names like pathetic or openning second accounts to agree with yourself. A.k.a. just post like respectful adults.
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Post by SILENCE on Jul 19, 2007 10:55:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry I just laugh at the idea that Kelly being only 24 means she's not felt real pain. By the time I was 24 I had lost my mother to cancer after watching her get beaten nearly every day for the better part of 18 years, I had been abused the likes of which can never be fully explained or comprehended and I was in the middle of a very nasty divorce. Age has NOTHING to do with how much pain someone has felt in their life.
I think of all the children in this world who are abused and think how insulting your words are. There is no right way or wrong way to express pain and suffering.
Kelly's music speaks to that part of me that is STILL broken and damaged from those years of pain and hurt. Just because I'm older now doesn't mean that the pain fully goes away and sometimes a song CAN heal you. That is what Kelly's music helps me to do.
music4aw I respect your right to voice your opinion and if you and your circle of friends think this album is too dark and joyless then I'm happy for you that you can't relate to it because that tells me that you've never been hurt to a depth that leaves lasting impressions. I hope that remains true for your entire life.
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 19, 2007 11:14:18 GMT -5
Guys some people are going to like the album, some people aren't. Live and let live. Don't try to bully other people into agreeing with your opinion (that goes for both sides) and absolutely don't resort to calling each other names like pathetic or openning second accounts to agree with yourself. A.k.a. just post like respectful adults. music4w or wutever his/her name is or anyonelse can have his/her own opinion and ill respect it but to say kelly at age 24 has felt no emotional pain therefore this album is no good is just plain wrong. its fine dont like the album say its no good but you cant tell other people whether someone has been in emotional pain or not. i just hope that you never have to go through emotional pain ever in your life and if you have and gotten over it i want to congratulate you because you should be proud of yourself.
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Post by kellyfan1232 on Jul 19, 2007 11:25:37 GMT -5
^she is 25, :)
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Post by GiggaWho on Jul 19, 2007 11:26:58 GMT -5
The point is that you're all simply expressing your own opinions, not some universal truth. And there are ways to express yourself and disagree that aren't combative and bullying. Unfortunately, for some reason, people tend to take things more personally than they should on the internet and we often end up down the combative and bullying route in this thread/board. Then we end up in the personal attacks realm, which we were already crossing over into when I posted what I did. And, frankly, I'd like to not have to spend the night typing up warnings if I don't have to. So play nice!
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 19, 2007 12:03:24 GMT -5
well when she wrote the album she was 23-24.
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Post by circadian on Jul 19, 2007 12:46:18 GMT -5
OMG.... kelly is 25.... so what??? big deal... is she supposed to write 25 songs about how she wants to be some boy's girlfriend... because hey, hey, hey, she thinks he needs a new one?? So Kelly should have waited her time of dying to release a song like Irvine?? Sorry, but I don't get it... If I'm right, Norah Jones was 23 when she released Come Away With Me... I'm not saying that CAWM is a dark album, but it is a jazzy album... but hey! she was 23... she was supposed to release a bubblegum pop album... and release the jazz album at 37... My point is... a singer is an artist... and an artist can evolve... kelly could have made another Breakaway... but she didn't want to... and yeah, Breakaway is way catchier than MD, and I understand that a lot people would have liked another Breakaway, but I don't care... My December is my favorite album even if it isn't 'commercial' enough to get society support. Oh... and please, remember songs like Hear Me or Addicted... IMO those are kinda-dark songs too... and she was 22 when she released those songs... OMG, even worst!
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 19, 2007 15:39:04 GMT -5
OMG.... kelly is 25.... so what??? big deal... is she supposed to write 25 songs about how she wants to be some boy's girlfriend... because hey, hey, hey, she thinks he needs a new one?? So Kelly should have waited her time of dying to release a song like Irvine?? Sorry, but I don't get it... If I'm right, Norah Jones was 23 when she released Come Away With Me... I'm not saying that CAWM is a dark album, but it is a jazzy album... but hey! she was 23... she was supposed to release a bubblegum pop album... and release the jazz album at 37... My point is... a singer is an artist... and an artist can evolve... kelly could have made another Breakaway... but she didn't want to... and yeah, Breakaway is way catchier than MD, and I understand that a lot people would have liked another Breakaway, but I don't care... My December is my favorite album even if it isn't 'commercial' enough to get society support. Oh... and please, remember songs like Hear Me or Addicted... IMO those are kinda-dark songs too... and she was 22 when she released those songs... OMG, even worst! whats even worse is that she wrote addicted when she was 19. :o
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Post by samsa on Jul 19, 2007 16:45:58 GMT -5
the Slate daily podcast today is on MD. Slate talks to the Editor of Blender about Kelly and MD. Be warned, though. It isn't all positive. Interesting listen, though. You can get it on iTunes, in the podcasting section under Slate, or you can get it at their website here: www.slate.com/id/2170626/nav/navoa/
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 19, 2007 16:55:40 GMT -5
This seems like an album that was aimed at Goth types. ? Like I said, you have said many things I agree with, but this is kind of offbase. Lots of different people have experienced things like pain and addiction at all different types of ages. You do not have to be old to feel pain or have a friend stab you in the back. And I am about as far away from goth as possible (blonde, love pink, dress like a sorority girl, love heels and short combos) and most of this album resonates greatly with me. Sober reminds me of breaking up with my first true love and understanding that, yes, I can breathe without them. Judas reminds me of my b***h of an ex best friend in college. Can I have a Kiss and Maybe remind me of the relationships that never quite happened because I was still hung up on my ex (who I got back together with only to find out that they cheated on me!) Its not like the album is for goths and morbidly depressed people. Everyone has probably had their heart broken or someone stab them in the back. Everyone has probably thought they loved someone, but knew it was not the right time. Everyone has probably cried in the middle of the night and felt like no one understands them. I mean, is it just me or are those fairly normal moments in a lifetime of someone who is mid 20s or approaching mid 20s? I mean, it may not apply to you and I would be thanking god some of it does not, but I just do not think the cd is as horribly depressing or removed from the normal experiences of a normal person as you are repeatedly declaring it is. Please, show me one girl who has not had their heart broken. One girl
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Post by roentgenizdat on Jul 19, 2007 17:03:23 GMT -5
"Never Again" is the recipient of a BDSCertified Spin Award (June 2007) for 50K spins.
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Post by pyrates on Jul 19, 2007 17:05:51 GMT -5
"Never Again" is the recipient of a BDSCertified Spin Award (June 2007) for 50K spins. Thanks for the info!
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 19, 2007 17:29:34 GMT -5
"Never Again" is the recipient of a BDSCertified Spin Award (June 2007) for 50K spins. YEAH!
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Post by JORDAN on Jul 19, 2007 17:42:27 GMT -5
Week 3: 5 CLARKSON*KELLY MY DECEMBER 58,593 113,316 463,426 GET THAT GOLD SMASH, KEL!
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Post by JORDAN on Jul 19, 2007 17:44:30 GMT -5
BE STILL is the only song from MD that I really don't like and NEVER listen to,while the other ones are AMAZING!!! Be Still is awesome. lol Blender magazine thinks so too, It's #8 on their "Download These" list. "A Fleetwood Mac-style slow jam, ideal for knocking boots in a delicatesort of way. One of the few bright moments in her snarling new set." Except, the credibility of the whole thing is kind of , off, considering "Ay Bay Bay" (David's favorite) is higher than Be Still.
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Post by Focus on Jul 19, 2007 19:03:08 GMT -5
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Post by pce2b on Jul 19, 2007 19:16:21 GMT -5
I have probably posted this several times, and I am not looking for a response, just to share...
I am 100% on board with that guy at Entertainment Weekly. Can I Have a Kiss is pop magic. The hook is flat out awesome. Definitely my favorite track. It makes me very happy. :)
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Post by THE LEGENDARY SAINT LUISRO on Jul 19, 2007 19:31:06 GMT -5
My two cents:
I've always liked Kelly ever since she won AI. I've bought all her albums and all. My December really reeked at first but it grew on me a hell lot. The album isn't radio friendly yes, but they could've promoted it a hell lot better. For starters, they should've released the album during the fall and promote the album as Kelly's vision and her artistic freedom instead of "the label hated it! Kelly fought for it!" and all that non-sense that made people believe, as I did, that the album was an utter piece of shit which it isn't.
That said, I don't care if she falls off the chart next week or sells 20 million copies within the next year because I admire her for putting yet another personal record, for being as emotional as she has been, for sticking to her guts, and for still being as adorable as she has always been.
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Post by Focus on Jul 19, 2007 19:33:07 GMT -5
Great post LPL!
And pce, I agree with you that Can I Have a Kiss is a great song. It's absolutely false that there are no hooks on this album. It's almost laughable. I remember some big time and well respected posters on this board saying that SUBG didn't have a hook. Hooks are in the ear of the beholder. Personally my ears think "Judas" and "HIF" definately have very strong hooks. There are so many songs on this album that could be hits if Clive cared. He doesn't though.
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Post by dperkins on Jul 19, 2007 19:34:16 GMT -5
My two cents: I've always liked Kelly ever since she won AI. I've bought all her albums and all. My December really reeked at first but it grew on me a hell lot. The album isn't radio friendly yes, but they could've promoted it a hell lot better. For starters, they should've released the album during the fall and promote the album as Kelly's vision and her artistic freedom instead of "the label hated it! Kelly fought for it!" and all that non-sense that made people believe, as I did, that the album was an utter piece of s**t which it isn't. That said, I don't care if she falls off the chart next week or sells 20 million copies within the next year because I admire her for putting yet another personal record, for being as emotional as she has been, for sticking to her guts, and for still being as adorable as she has always been. PREACH!!!!!!!!!!
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