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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 13, 2008 22:14:02 GMT -5
Celine's rendition of Heart's Alone is the 2nd single from Taking Chances and goes for AC adds this week.
I expect the same support for Alone that TC got from Sony.
Edit: Actually, I expect less
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Post by jmason on Apr 15, 2008 12:21:42 GMT -5
The only way Celine will ever have another big AC hit is if the more HOT AC leaning stations pick her up, which they wont do, so maybe a top 15 for Celine. I think that goes for any AC act, like Kimberly Locke or Michael McDonald, they'll never have another major hit, just because the AC format is full of HOT AC stations, that don't play that type of music.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 15, 2008 23:55:05 GMT -5
If I were to take over the promotion of the TC project, she'd be getting hits again guarenteed.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 16, 2008 6:07:33 GMT -5
I've never seen anyone blame so much on the record label before. lol! Seriously! If getting hits were 100% promotion, then yeah, I'd say you had a case but I really think there's more to getting a hit song than record label promo.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 17, 2008 20:45:26 GMT -5
Well everything else was there.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 17, 2008 21:36:29 GMT -5
In your opinion. I'm not so sure though. Are artists allowed to arrange their own promo?
I personally don't think this cover is all that great either. Was there nothing better on the album or is that one of the problems? I just don't think Celine is really hit-capable anymore. Even 'Taking Chances' didn't do that good in Canada despite the album getting an album of the year Juno nomination and I think it sold decently.
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Post by Arson on Apr 18, 2008 0:15:20 GMT -5
I think releasing another obvious cover as a single is a mistake, especially since the intent here is to make a comeback and to have a new start.
Celine Dion did do quite a bit of promotion for "Taking Chances". That type of song should have been quite fitting for Hot AC stations and I think many stations never added her solely for her image, since the song would have made it if it had been done by other singers. And if Hot AC stations shy away from her, then it's no wonder that Pop stations would as well. I think the radio programmers contributed to the lack of success for that song as much as Sony.
That's too bad... it was a pretty strong first single and they should be following it up with a new song not as well known.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 18, 2008 0:39:34 GMT -5
I think releasing another obvious cover as a single is a mistake, especially since the intent here is to make a comeback and to have a new start. Celine Dion did do quite a bit of promotion for "Taking Chances". That type of song should have been quite fitting for Hot AC stations and I think many stations never added her solely for her image, since the song would have made it if it had been done by other singers. And if Hot AC stations shy away from her, then it's no wonder that Pop stations would as well. I think the radio programmers contributed to the lack of success for that song as much as Sony. That's too bad... it was a pretty strong first single and they should be following it up with a new song not as well known. The song did not do well on those formats because Sony didn't send it to either one. For Celine to get #61 on pop with no promo is quite amazing. #36 on Hot AC for a song that wasn't sent there is quite good as well. Imagine if they had bothered to push her at those formats. The song had hit all over it, and Sony didn't bother. Same with Eyes on Me. will.i.am remixes it and they sit on it.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 18, 2008 0:45:40 GMT -5
So is it 100% Sony's fault and not a single thing can be said about her image? Because in all reality, I don't think her image helps her toward the pop format. Hot AC, yeah, I think it could have done pretty well there. How did it do on AC? Did it go to #1? She did do a fair amount of promo, or at least I heard a lot about it. If promo is done but nothing comes of it, how much can you really blame on the label? There has to more to success than the label.
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Apr 18, 2008 15:24:03 GMT -5
In your opinion. I'm not so sure though. Are artists allowed to arrange their own promo? I personally don't think this cover is all that great either. Was there nothing better on the album or is that one of the problems? I just don't think Celine is really hit-capable anymore. Even 'Taking Chances' didn't do that good in Canada despite the album getting an album of the year Juno nomination and I think it sold decently. LOL! Taking Chances sold REALLY well in canada! It went like 4x Platinum and is like one of the best selling albums there. "Sold decently" are you serious? LMAO
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 18, 2008 17:19:04 GMT -5
So is it 100% Sony's fault and not a single thing can be said about her image? Because in all reality, I don't think her image helps her toward the pop format. Hot AC, yeah, I think it could have done pretty well there. How did it do on AC? Did it go to #1? She did do a fair amount of promo, or at least I heard a lot about it. If promo is done but nothing comes of it, how much can you really blame on the label? There has to more to success than the label. If there was promo and the song did not do well, then other factors would most certainly be the reason, but the fact is that Sony could care less if she hits or flops. Just get her an hour on Oprah, and that's guarentees enough sales to at least break even. Promotion can do wonders for an album and its singles. I'd like to see how she would've done if Sony cared. tbh it's difficult to promote to AC, because the core songs at that format are artist familiarity and song familiarty (which is why Alone will probably do well on the format.)
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 18, 2008 23:13:47 GMT -5
In your opinion. I'm not so sure though. Are artists allowed to arrange their own promo? I personally don't think this cover is all that great either. Was there nothing better on the album or is that one of the problems? I just don't think Celine is really hit-capable anymore. Even 'Taking Chances' didn't do that good in Canada despite the album getting an album of the year Juno nomination and I think it sold decently. LOL! Taking Chances sold REALLY well in canada! It went like 4x Platinum and is like one of the best selling albums there. "Sold decently" are you serious? LMAO Yeah, I was. I wasn't sure how it sold but I knew it wasn't a poor seller. 4x Platinum is more than I thought but basically proves my point alittle more. She didn't get a big hit single from it but the album still sold well. Promo what? Who really cares? And the album is Platinum in the US, isn't it? As for the whole promo thing, chspchbi has been complaining about Celine's lack of promo since after her mini-retirement but really, in all honesty, can anyone really blame Celine's lack of hits 100% on Sony? I'm not defending the label here but stepping back from the fact that you love Celine so much, really, I really don't think it's 100% the label's fault. I'm sure they know somewhat what they're doing. Yeah, maybe they could promote her better but promote her to who? Soccer moms know who she is, people under 30 typically won't care about her. It's a lost cause. Sony is in it to make money. Promoting Celine beyond the areas that they have is too much of a risk, especially consider how much they're already losing with the whole "industry in crisis" junk. They can't just throw money away like they used to be, which is yet another reason why mainstream music is so stagnent a lot of the time. No time for risks. As of now, promoting Celine is risking losing money when they know they can just break even with the fans she has now. Her album has done what it was meant to do. They're probably going to move on aside from whatever they'll give AC. Just think outside of the box for a sec...
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Apr 18, 2008 23:56:01 GMT -5
LOL! Taking Chances sold REALLY well in canada! It went like 4x Platinum and is like one of the best selling albums there. "Sold decently" are you serious? LMAO Yeah, I was. I wasn't sure how it sold but I knew it wasn't a poor seller. 4x Platinum is more than I thought but basically proves my point alittle more. She didn't get a big hit single from it but the album still sold well. Promo what? Who really cares? And the album is Platinum in the US, isn't it? As for the whole promo thing, chspchbi has been complaining about Celine's lack of promo since after her mini-retirement but really, in all honesty, can anyone really blame Celine's lack of hits 100% on Sony? I'm not defending the label here but stepping back from the fact that you love Celine so much, really, I really don't think it's 100% the label's fault. I'm sure they know somewhat what they're doing. Yeah, maybe they could promote her better but promote her to who? Soccer moms know who she is, people under 30 typically won't care about her. It's a lost cause. Sony is in it to make money. Promoting Celine beyond the areas that they have is too much of a risk, especially consider how much they're already losing with the whole "industry in crisis" junk. They can't just throw money away like they used to be, which is yet another reason why mainstream music is so stagnent a lot of the time. No time for risks. As of now, promoting Celine is risking losing money when they know they can just break even with the fans she has now. Her album has done what it was meant to do. They're probably going to move on aside from whatever they'll give AC. Just think outside of the box for a sec... I say it's about 25% the labels fault, 25% due to the fact that her music hasn't been strong enough to warrant a major success and about 50% due to the fact that she has lost alot, if not most of her mainstream appeal since 2002. Going through with A New Day... really didn't help her singing career outside of Vegas.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 19, 2008 2:32:40 GMT -5
I'm looking at how other artists who are also supposively "past their prime" are getting pushed. Britney for example, Jive has done everything they can for her, and if she herself gave a crap, Blackout wouldn't have been a flop.
Look at Mariah. The material was mediocre, but the promo was non-stop. The sales next week are going to be huge! They got her booked everywhere. The promo was very good.
There was a window of oppurtunity for TC, but unfortunately that window has now closed. If this album was going to be an AC only thing, why did anyone even bother having her hook up with top names in the business right now? There's only 1 chance left at saving this album. If I were in charge of this album's promotion, I'd "take chances" and go for it.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 19, 2008 10:20:11 GMT -5
What about her image? Or do you think her image is fine the way it is and will attract the youngins?
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 19, 2008 18:28:48 GMT -5
Looks wise? When she's not getting those boy haircuts, she looks good. Music wise? Unfortunately as for a music stand point, the media has done more than she has. She got the image as a balladeer because her biggest hits (BYLM, MHWGO, etc...) have been ballads. But her more upbeat songs (LCMM, Misled, etc...) weren't as big.
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Post by Arson on Apr 19, 2008 19:03:20 GMT -5
Maybe this means Celine Dion herself doesn't really care about getting back into the CHR/Pop scene either. Other older artists like Mariah Carey or Madonna seem to want to remain cool or still young in the eyes of the public. I mean, would Celine Dion want to dress in skimpy costumes to promote a song or to shoot a music video at this point if Sony wanted her to? I agree Sony could've done a big push both at CHR and at Hot AC and "Taking Chances" deserved more widespread play, but I think with Celine, it would take a lot more convincing with radio programmers to get her songs on air than with artists like Britney Spears or Mariah Carey who will be naturally in the news and in the spotlight because of who they are. A lot of good singers and artists deserve to have their songs on CHR but bias gets in the way. Maybe for some of them, it doesn't matter as long as they continue making music and/or their fans are happy.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 19, 2008 20:29:14 GMT -5
Did you see some of Celine's performances this year? I don't think I've ever seen that much skin on her.
But like I said earlier, the window of oppurtunity is closed now because Celine is touring the world right now and would be unable to promote in the U.S, whether the label backs her or not.
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Post by freakyflybry2 on Apr 20, 2008 2:11:02 GMT -5
I think the song's pretty good... one of the best remakes I've heard in a while Hopefully it can become a hit, but I have my doubts, I can't see it doing that well even on her core format.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 27, 2008 20:12:05 GMT -5
This should debut on AC next week. #33 on Mediabase. Maybe she'll get an early debut on R&R.
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