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Post by hellothere on Aug 19, 2009 3:14:09 GMT -5
Where are all the David Cook fans? Moved on to Adam Lambert? That's probably for the best. RCA and 19 certainly have all their eggs thrown in the Lambert basket; Cook is done. Considering you were calling him done before his album even dropped why does this shock me? You always were such a bright spot. What did you stop going to DCO since no one wanted to hear your constant doom and gloom? A year ago there was all this talk about RCA was pouring so much money into him and overhyping him, now we're comparing him to Adam? Good grief. If Adam doesn't blow up into the biggest star Idol ever created watch how fast they turn on him. Contrary to what some want to believe Adam isn't a proven seller or a proven star yet. I called him done before his album even dropped? Really? I must have blacked out or something because I don't recall that, LOL. However, I have to agree with starsprinkles. It is rare for any artist to sell over a million albums in today's market, let alone a new artist. Cook has done that for RCA and what do they do? They send him out on a small venue, throw away year-long tour instead of having him tour with a big act like they did with Daughtry, who toured with Nickelback and Bon Jovi. They haven't done a whole hell of a lot to get him airplay either and their single choice have been baffling to say the least. If RCA was capable of making Kings Of Leon's Use Somebody into a hit song (when it is not at all "pop") they certainly could do the same with a good Cook song (and there are plenty of them on the album; they just choose to release the crappy ones). RCA is now home to more Idol alumni than any other major label. If the effort to make him into the breakout star that many thought he would be wasn't made with his debut, the odds are not in his favor that they will do anything more with another album. Future releases are likely to be shafted even more. Kelly Clarkson is back to doing well on CHR after the disaster that was My December. Daughtry is touring arenas. RCA has signed Adam Lambert, whom they believe to be a superstar, and are putting ALL of their resources into him; they didn't do the same for David. And with Simon Fuller putting all of his energy into Lambert, where does that leave David? Oh, right, I forgot. Out of nowhere, they are going to start working FOR David Cook, who has been managed in a half ass fashion up until now and had the final nail put in the coffin when Lambert showed up.
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Post by famed on Aug 19, 2009 7:37:56 GMT -5
David has been very successful. He may not have had that one breakout hit yet but his sales are impressive. I doubt that he will be forgotten by his label/management because of Adam. He's proven himself and I'm sure he'll have plenty of promotion for his next album. He'll be fine.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Aug 19, 2009 8:31:40 GMT -5
A few points from your neighborhood moderator: -The only artist you should be discussing in this thread is the guy named in the thread title, David Cook. Enough with the Idol fan war bait -- it will get you warned. -If you want to call out someone for antics on another board, don't. Pulse is a music discussion board, not a fan board. This is not the place to be hashing out issues with posters you don't like from elsewhere. Again, if you fail to respect this, you will get warned. -Please familiarize yourself with Pulse Rules & Guidelines. Thank you to those who managed not to derail this thread by making substantive arguments without engaging in various Idol comparisons. If you have questions or concerns, please PM me. And now, back to David Cook.
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Post by tinawina on Aug 19, 2009 8:50:03 GMT -5
I think this is a good idea as well. Opening for someone like that would help expand his fanbase and have him play to new people who might not have heard him before, and he can play larger venues as well. As for a single? I really thought A Daily Anthem or Declaration would have been good choices, but RCA seems to not agree with that assessment. Declaration might be next, I think. I would be shocked if they ever release A Daily Anthem. He's supposed to do a short tour with The Script as his opener towards the end of the year. I don't know why, but I don't think there are plans for him to open for anyone any time soon. He's been talking about starting the new album recording process early next year. I don't think there is anything to panic about. As famed said, dude went platinum, and he's still in the top half of the Billboard 200 9 months later, and near selling out most of his shows. If anything they will just bend over backward to get him a pop hit for his next album. Relax, peeps.
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Post by Berry on Aug 23, 2009 14:31:45 GMT -5
In a interview with KHOP 95.1 David revealed the name of his band, David Cook and the Anthemic. “it’s an anthem, it’s epic it’s big, that’s what I feel the band has the potential to be, it’s where we want to go” We tried for months for band names, and it’s the one we’re shooting for at the moment. The interview musicbyd.com/videos/DavidCookBandName.wmv
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Post by StarSprinkles on Aug 23, 2009 18:34:48 GMT -5
So..what's the point of naming his band? Is he forgoing the solo thing?
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Post by famed on Aug 24, 2009 9:11:50 GMT -5
In a interview with KHOP 95.1 David revealed the name of his band, David Cook and the Anthemic. They should drop "David Cook" from the front of the name. The Anthemic would be better. Slightly.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Aug 24, 2009 12:47:47 GMT -5
The new name is soooooo stupid! Just do a Bon Jovi and call the band "David Cook." DUH!
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Post by hellothere on Oct 13, 2009 16:15:24 GMT -5
Well, that's it. No AMA noms will most definitely lead to no Grammy noms. And if he can't sell past Idol, can't get a hit song and can't win any awards, his label and management (who have a new precious that they think is the next big thing) are so done with him. Stick a fork in him; it is over.
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Post by StarSprinkles on Oct 13, 2009 16:20:10 GMT -5
I was actually very, very surprised he wasn't nominated in the Adult Contemporary category. He's owned that genre all year.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 13, 2009 16:47:59 GMT -5
^^^^^ Exactly. And if he can't get that, and someone perceived to be bigger and better is signed to the exact same label and management, he will now have nothing but leftovers. They are the ones who screwed up every single release and then wrote him off. Now, he's yesterday's news. There will be nothing left for him by the time they get around to another album. Shame, really.
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Post by Sara on Oct 13, 2009 17:28:05 GMT -5
I was surprised too - but I don't think it's over for him necessarily. He still has a lot of fans and plays decent size shows. But I'll agree, after today, I don't think he'll get any Grammy noms. He wasn't even nominated in that breakthrough artist category that people vote on. :/ And RCA - well, they've got their new pet project Adam, and along with Daughtry, who knows where David will fit in. I gotta say, I hate that label.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 13, 2009 17:44:49 GMT -5
^^^^^^ Where does he fit in with RCA? That's an easy one to answer. He doesn't; thus, no more singles. The next album will get very little push and they will just sponge off of the existing fan base.
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Post by street on Oct 13, 2009 19:13:08 GMT -5
I think Cook will be third in line after Daughtry and Adam at RCA. Even if Adam flops, S9 is just around the corner. Hopefully, Cook's existing fan base is enough to keep a decent career going.
RCA. Ugh. Jive doesn't spend as much $ but they're a much better label in the end. They don't give up as fast as RCA.
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Post by tinawina on Oct 13, 2009 19:21:43 GMT -5
What in the world?! LOL. I'm just gonna back out of this thread slowly.
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Post by grey on Oct 13, 2009 20:07:30 GMT -5
ROFL I'm not a big fan of his music, but Cook is far from over. His next CD won't get promo'd as heavily as this one did, but he's built a nice little fanbase. A hit from the next album, and he'll be fine.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 13, 2009 21:21:39 GMT -5
^^^^^ Well, that's....generous. Lambert is the first breakout star since Daughtry; RCA has both of them and Kelly. With them on the label and Cook completely unable to get a hit song, they are not even going to try the next time around. Why bother? If CHR wouldn't touch him now, they won't next year.
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Post by sunpeach on Oct 13, 2009 21:23:03 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood headlines Fox variety show Special will include Dolly Parton, David Cook, comedy bits
By Nellie Andreeva
Oct 12, 2009, 11:00 PM ET
Carrie Underwood (Getty)
Country star Carrie Underwood is returning to Fox, the network that catapulted her to stardom with "American idol," to headline a variety special executive produced by "Idol" creator Simon Fuller.
Adam Shankman and Nigel Lythgoe are on board to direct and executive produce the two-hour show, tentatively titled "Carrie Underwood: An All-Star Holiday Special," which will air Dec. 7.
Underwood will perform previous hits, holiday classics and songs from her upcoming album and participate in comedy bits.
Musical guests signed so far to join her on stage include Dolly Parton, Brad Paisley -- her co-host at the 2008 and the upcoming 2009 CMA Awards -- and David Cook, last year's "Idol" winner.
"Seinfeld" alumna Carol Leifer, former "Frasier" exec producer Jeffrey Richman and actor/writer Seth Morris are penning sketches for the special. It is is being produced by Big Red 2 Entertainment, the joint venture between Lythgoe and Fuller named after the red-colored jerseys of the Brits' favorite soccer teams, Manchester United (Fuller) and Liverpool (Lythgoe).
The two formed the company following Lythgoe's departure from "Idol" last year after seven seasons at the helm of the top reality series.
Lythgoe is co-creator/exec producer/judge on "So You think You Can Dance," from Fuller's 19 Entertainment, on which Shankman also serves as a judge. Shankman's directing credits include "Bedtime Stories" and "Hairspray."
Underwood, the fourth season "Idol" winner, is the most successful recording artist to emerge from the competition series, with sales of more than 10 million albums in the U.S. and four Grammy Awards.
Her next album, "Play On," produced by Mark Bright, will be released Nov. 3 on 19 Recordings/Arista Nashville.
The Underwood special has been billed as a one-off, though the broadcast networks have been looking for ways to revive the variety series genre, so far unsuccessfully with Rosie O'Donnell (NBC) and the Osbournes (Fox).
John Mayer signed on in January to star in a variety pilot for CBS, which is still percolating at the Eye.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 13, 2009 21:31:40 GMT -5
^^^^^ That's real nice but nothing like say a major film soundtrack with a video being premiered at a Michael Jackson movie. Sad as it may be, dude is done and even a nice friend like Carrie can't help him now that he has flopped.
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Post by street on Oct 13, 2009 22:36:40 GMT -5
Cook hasn't flopped. And I wouldn't put Adam up there with the Idol superstars yet. Remember, a year ago Cook was going to be the new Daughtry. Now it's Lambert. They're always going to sell multi plat until they don't.
RCA is famous for throwing it all up against the wall at the same time. Sometimes it doesn't stick.
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Post by tinawina on Oct 13, 2009 23:31:27 GMT -5
LOL... I have to say this hellothere. You sure are persistent in your views. You haven't budged in months!
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Post by sunpeach on Oct 14, 2009 13:30:18 GMT -5
In a interview with KHOP 95.1 David revealed the name of his band, David Cook and the Anthemic. “it’s an anthem, it’s epic it’s big, that’s what I feel the band has the potential to be, it’s where we want to go” We tried for months for band names, and it’s the one we’re shooting for at the moment. The interview musicbyd.com/videos/DavidCookBandName.wmvWhat a terrible name for a band. He has turned himself into a "joke." It's not even a name change- only for the backing band. He's not going to have to worry about any sort of name soon.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 14, 2009 14:28:34 GMT -5
LOL... I have to say this hellothere. You sure are persistent in your views. You haven't budged in months! I said that RCA was pushing him aside and... they are. They are done with him. They watered him down, released crap material, sponged off of the Idol fanbase and now they are done. If you have information showing otherwise, please, do share.
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Post by malwaredie on Oct 14, 2009 14:41:38 GMT -5
I have to agree. I was looking forward to the album until I heard the material. I think the album is terrible and that RCA was insane with the dreadful single choices. I doubt that RCA can handle 4 Idol alums and the promo for David Cook's sophomore will be mild at best.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 14, 2009 15:02:11 GMT -5
^^^^ Exactly. RCA has Kelly, who has made a nice radio comeback, Daughtry, who is touring arenas and is a multi-platinum and award-winning artist and Adam, who they believe to be the Second Coming, as demonstrated by the extreme promotion for his debut. David Cook had potential to be in the same league as them, but RCA blew it by coming thisclose to making a Bo Bice out of him; they were very lucky that his Idol fan base was so loyal, because all of the crap that they half-ass released flopped and did nothing to sell the album. With CHR slamming the door in his face and his management tossing him to the curb, I don't see any effort at all being put into album #2. This has happened before, only the last time, the artist in question never had a chance on CHR - that was Clay Aiken. Cook had a chance and now it's over and as someone who enjoys the hell out of what this guy is actually capable of, to say I am disappointed and even a tad angry at RCA and Simon Fuller is a bit of an understatement.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Oct 14, 2009 15:10:20 GMT -5
I don't think Cook is done. He's not an OMGSUPERSTAR, but 99.9% of the artists on the radio and making a living aren't, so who cares?
I'm sure Cook made RCA a nice tidy profit, so he'll get another album, which is the whole point anyway, right? To keep making music?
The whole deal with Lambert is so unusual -- 19M is throwing everything but the kitchen sink in to get this guy to some kind of superstar level. At this point, with all the promotion Lambert is getting I'm thinking he has to sell 2M or be considered unsuccessful. Cook didn't have to sell 2M. I think he needed to sell 1M considering he got a nice amount of promo himself last year (not at what looks to be Lambert's level, but still), and he did that.
The tour, btw, was not RCA's doing--that was Cook's deal. The artist gets to decide how he wants to tour, and 19M plus his tour booking agency plan out the tour. RCA doesn't have anything to do with it. So Cook could have tried to get on a bigger tour, and maybe he did, but it didn't work out. So he wound up just touring consistently for a year in smaller venues. If that was a mistake (and it's tough to say if it was or wasn't) then it was Cook's mistake alone, not his label's mistake.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 14, 2009 17:05:06 GMT -5
Of course there's going to be another album. He did, after all, sell more than a million of the first one. But, since he isn't "at Lambert's level" and can't get airplay, there will be no promotion of it. The Idol fan base can't keep him afloat with a sophomore effort; he needs support, promo and hit singles. With management that is utterly uninterested at this point, those things won't be achieved. Therefore, the goal, to continue making music, ends with album #2.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Oct 14, 2009 17:12:51 GMT -5
If Cook never gets a breakout Top 40 hit, then yeah, it will be tough going for him with his second album. He's lost the buzz he had coming off of Idol.
Hot AC artists do survive, but the ones that survive better are the ones that get a Top 40 hit every now and then. Nickelback, Daughtry, Jason Mraz, etc. have all had Top 40 hits, even though they're really more Hot AC artists than anything. I think Cook still has a solid fan base, but getting any sales above and beyond that will hinge on promotion and radio airplay. I just can't say, right now, that 19M won't do what it can for Cook to get him good promotional gigs, or that RCA won't do what it can to get his next album's songs on Top 40. They just might. That they're not doing much now says nothing--he's not in the spotlight right now. CBTM is still on Hot AC and that's still selling a few albums. By the time he releases the next album they may start with good promo again, and Top 40 may be more receptive to his sound. We just can't predict that right now.
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Post by hellothere on Oct 14, 2009 20:53:30 GMT -5
The fact is that all of the HAC artists you mention all had at least one Top 40 hit off of their debut albums; Cook didn't. If 19M and RCA didn't have their superstar, they might give Cook another shot, but since they do have that star, and Cook is a proven CHR flop (and it really is hard not to blame that on the sub-par singles that were chosen), it is highly unlikely that they will do so.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Oct 14, 2009 21:28:14 GMT -5
^^ Actually, I wouldn't be so much worried about RCA as 19M. 19M's roster is a lot fuller now than it was last year, having signed Adam, Kris and Allison this year from Idol. RCA is no picnic, but at least they have the resources to concentrate on multiple artists at the same time. I'm not sure sure 19M can handle trying to promote that many current artists, since their roster hasn't been this heavy before with new people.
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