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Post by Overcome on Jun 7, 2008 0:14:14 GMT -5
Regardless of people loving it or not, the song was carried on a pricey gold platform to the top of the charts. Clive Davis and Simon Cowell dug deep into their bank accounts to help this become number 1. Like it or not, that's the truth. The song is mediocre at best, and now that it has been played to high heavens, it is just overly annoying.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 7, 2008 9:38:18 GMT -5
#12 Love Song - B - talented artist, great production, and novel sound...but still can't figure out the meaning of the song Well, it's not a "love song" my friend. It's about her record label. www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=9855I know...that's why I can't get into it (cause I can't relate to it i. e. never had to tell my record label I don't wanna write a love song for them) BTW then she went ahead and released Bottle It Up, which keeps sayin "love, love, love" over and over (kinda ironic... ) Finally heard some more of these songs... Sexy Can I (C) - seems like really generic R&B song...kinda agree with Atlanta CHRs for not playin it (had to hear it on AT40) I Kissed A Girl (C+) - really catchy pop song (with rock edge), but lacks substance IMO and can't relate to it at all lol All Summer Long (C+) - complete ripoff of Werewolves Of London (the sample IMO carries the whole song, except when he adds in Sweet Home Alabama in the chorus and uses the title of SHA as his hook)...it's a creative idea, but I'd rather just listen to Werewolves Of London and Sweet Home Alabama
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Jun 7, 2008 12:33:28 GMT -5
Regardless of people loving it or not, the song was carried on a pricey gold platform to the top of the charts. Clive Davis and Simon Cowell dug deep into their bank accounts to help this become number 1. Like it or not, that's the truth. The song is mediocre at best, and now that it has been played to high heavens, it is just overly annoying. It got no.1 around the world without much Promo, and you calling it mediocre at best is laughable. I see you gave it a D+, on of, if not your worst ratings for the songs on Pop, WOW is all that can be said.
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Post by 6weeksatnumber7 on Jun 7, 2008 18:50:46 GMT -5
Regardless of people loving it or not, the song was carried on a pricey gold platform to the top of the charts. Clive Davis and Simon Cowell dug deep into their bank accounts to help this become number 1. Like it or not, that's the truth. The song is mediocre at best, and now that it has been played to high heavens, it is just overly annoying. What's hilarious is you're being serious. Why do people ignore the evidence right before their eyes? Is it sheer laziness, idiocy or both? Of all the songs to make accusations about in the top 40 Bleeding Love should be the last - it's been an incredible worldwide smash, had great reviews, multiple weeks at #1 almost everywhere (in sales only charts) and multi-million sales. In America it hit #1 on iTunes displacing the behometh Usher whilst Ms. Lewis was mid-air across the Atlantic on her way to start the promotion for the single. Sales have out performed airplay massively. Even now 11 weeks after first hitting #1 on the Hot100 overall airplay is still rising though far behind the current #1 Lollipop and far behind the peak of the first song it displaced from #1 on the Hot 100, Usher's Love In This Club. It's four weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 have coincided with the only 4 weeks it was top of the sales chart. It's the only song in the digital era to top 200k sales in a week more than 3 times (it holds the record at 5 weeks). It's the anti-payola of singles. By all means say you dislike the song, by all means explain why, but don't invent bullshit. Pulse should be and is better than that.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Jun 7, 2008 19:15:21 GMT -5
Regardless of people loving it or not, the song was carried on a pricey gold platform to the top of the charts. Clive Davis and Simon Cowell dug deep into their bank accounts to help this become number 1. Like it or not, that's the truth. The song is mediocre at best, and now that it has been played to high heavens, it is just overly annoying. What's hilarious is you're being serious. Why do people ignore the evidence right before their eyes? Is it sheer laziness, idiocy or both? Of all the songs to make accusations about in the top 40 Bleeding Love should be the last - it's been an incredible worldwide smash, had great reviews, multiple weeks at #1 almost everywhere (in sales only charts) and multi-million sales. In America it hit #1 on iTunes displacing the behometh Usher whilst Ms. Lewis was mid-air across the Atlantic on her way to start the promotion for the single. Sales have out performed airplay massively. Even now 11 weeks after first hitting #1 on the Hot100 overall airplay is still rising though far behind the current #1 Lollipop and far behind the peak of the first song it displaced from #1 on the Hot 100, Usher's Love In This Club. It's four weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 have coincided with the only 4 weeks it was top of the sales chart. It's the only song in the digital era to top 200k sales in a week more than 3 times (it holds the record at 5 weeks). It's the anti-payola of singles. By all means say you dislike the song, by all means explain why, but don't invent bulls**t. Pulse should be and is better than that. Preach.....
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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 7, 2008 19:59:33 GMT -5
onestepatatime is just bitter because Bleeding Love prevented 'No Air' from going to #1.
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Post by Moneyman202 on Jun 7, 2008 20:08:21 GMT -5
lollipop also prevented no air from going #1.
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Post by Overcome on Jun 8, 2008 0:36:41 GMT -5
I don't care if No Air went number 1 or not, it is two times platinum. And you're kidding yourself if you think that Simon and Clive didn't dish out millions to make sure this was a hit. She had a 10 million dollar campaign. Don't act like she is the hottest new thing on the scene because she is all that. She is only "All that" because "All that" was bought for her. The funny thing is all of you think she is the greatest thing to ever grace the radio. Edit: OT No Air went number 1 in New Zealand (worldwide). Number 1 in New Zealand 7 weeks straight.
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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 8, 2008 1:34:23 GMT -5
She had a 10 million dollar campaign. mind posting some sources to back that up ? or are you just pulling those figures out of your ass ? There is a reason why Leona is getting all the promo and Jordin isn't. Jordin has a lot of "that" while Leona has "it", simple as that. anyways, this is going way off topic.
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Post by tj on Jun 8, 2008 1:39:32 GMT -5
All A'S: Bleeding Love, Pocketful of Sunshine, Damaged, See You Again
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Post by Minor Scratch on Jun 8, 2008 12:43:25 GMT -5
Bleeding Love did NOT get to where its at from payola. In any country. Its a damn popular song. As much as I enjoy hiphop and Lil' Wayne's Lollipop, Bleeding Love should definitely be the #1 song in the United States right now.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 8, 2008 12:56:01 GMT -5
Bleeding Love did NOT get to where its at from payola. In any country. Its a damn popular song. As much as I enjoy hiphop and Lil' Wayne's Lollipop, Bleeding Love should definitely be the #1 song in the United States right now. It is! (Usin chart for this panel) Lollipop is only #5 with a +300 or so bullet
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 8, 2008 18:55:08 GMT -5
Ugh, unless you people actually have a source to support payola or $100 million campaigns or whatever, don't make accusations or claims saying that a song didn't legitimately hit #1. You're making yourself out to look like a jealous moron and it's annoying.
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Post by Overcome on Jun 9, 2008 14:43:01 GMT -5
Ugh, Simon publicly announced it and it was in all her press releases. And I don't care if you believe me or not, it's the truth.
"No Air" is number 1 in Australia the week of June 9th, 2008. :/ on all ya'll.
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Post by 6weeksatnumber7 on Jun 9, 2008 18:15:56 GMT -5
Ugh, Simon publicly announced it and it was in all her press releases. And I don't care if you believe me or not, it's the truth. "No Air" is number 1 in Australia the week of June 9th, 2008. :/ on all ya'll. Glad to see J Records' antipodean cheque book working wonders for Jordin ;) See, it's easy to post unsubstantiated bullshit .... What's so ridiculous about your series of posts is that the vast majority of Leona fans love Jordin and don't see them as competitors. For some reason you do and are determined to post any old nonsense to try and cast invalid aspersions and create an artificial rivalry. The two girls themselves formed a mutual appreciation society last year when they wound up recording their albums in the same studio and shared experiences of Idol and X-Factor. Both have great young voices which nurtured well should see them have sustained success in the music industry. It's good to see Jordin breaking out from the US and starting to achieve the sort of success Kelly Clarkson did overseas, the only Idol winner to ever break away from the all encompassing red, white and blue flag. She seems to be slowly following the Leona pattern which was big success at home, #1s in NZ and Australia and then an assault on the European market. Good luck to her as it'll require a lot of hard work.
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Post by Overcome on Jun 9, 2008 18:51:18 GMT -5
Jordin is on Jive, not J' records... so I don't see them as competition at all, nor did I ever say I did. Bleeding Love is a mediocre pop song and it got where it is because of Payola, it has nothing to do with Jordin.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jun 9, 2008 18:57:06 GMT -5
1 LEONA LEWIS Bleeding Love (A) 2 RIHANNA Take A Bow (C) 3 RAY J/YUNG BERG Sexy Can I (F) 4 USHER Love In This Club (F) 5 LIL WAYNE Lollipop (F) 6 JORDIN SPARKS No Air (B) 7 DANITY KANE Damaged (B) 8 JESSE MCCARTNEY Leavin' (F) 9 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Pocketful Of Sunshine (B) 10 MADONNA 4 Minutes (A) 11 COLBIE CAILLAT Realize (B) 12 KATY PERRY I Kissed A Girl (A) 13 COLBY O'DONIS What You Got (B) 14 METRO STATION Shake It (C) 15 FLYLEAF All Around Me (C) 16 CHRIS BROWN Forever (D) 17 SARA BAREILLES Love Song (B) 18 MARIAH CAREY Bye Bye (C) 19 ONEREPUBLIC Stop & Stare (C) 20 MILEY CYRUS See You Again (C) 21 3 DOORS DOWN It's Not My Time (B) 22 GAVIN DEGRAW In Love With A Girl (A) 23 NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK Summertime (A) 24 MARIAH CAREY Touch My Body (B) 25 DUFFY Mercy (A) 26 SEAN KINGSTON There's Nothin (D) 27 JOHN MAYER Say (B) 28 BRITNEY SPEARS Break The Ice (B) 29 MILEY CYRUS 7 Things (C) 30 PLIES Bust It Baby (Part 2) (C) 31 TAYLOR SWIFT Our Song (B) 32 SIMPLE PLAN Your Love Is A Lie (B) 33 2 PISTOLS She Got It (F) 34 KID ROCK All Summer Long (D) 35 MAROON 5 If I Never See Your Face Again (B) 36 SHWAYZE Buzzin (B) 37 ESTELLE American Boy (C) 38 THE SPILL CANVAS All Over You (C) 39 FOREVER THE SICKEST KIDS Whoa Oh (C) 40 SECONDHAND SERENADE Fall For You (B)
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Post by 6weeksatnumber7 on Jun 9, 2008 19:04:50 GMT -5
Jordin is on Jive, not J' records... so I don't see them as competition at all, nor did I ever say I did. Bleeding Love is a mediocre pop song and it got where it is because of Payola, it has nothing to do with Jordin. Let's break down your breakdown: Point of view: "Bleeding Love is a mediocre pop song" This you're entitled to. Accusation: it got where it is because of Payola This has to be substantiated with supporting evidence. All evidence is to the contrary. In fact No Air and Bleeding Love followed similar airplay and sales patterns. If there was something suspicious about one song, logic would suggest something suspicious about the other song. Unless you have proof, you should maybe follow the advice of the Chinese: Even a fool when he keeps silent is considered wise.
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Post by Overcome on Jun 9, 2008 19:08:22 GMT -5
No Air probably got to the top the same way, I'm not denying that. Labels usually do dish out payola for singles, that's not uncommon.
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Post by 6weeksatnumber7 on Jun 9, 2008 19:18:13 GMT -5
No Air probably got to the top the same way, I'm not denying that. Labels usually do dish out payola for singles, that's not uncommon. So you're now saying all successful singles receive payola? In which case why are you making such a fuss - surely logic suggests the payola cancels itself out and it comes down to the quality of the track? Personally I'd always prefer a sales-only chart as has been argued continuously on this forum - unfortunately that would mitigate against both No Air and Bleeding Love receiving payola as the sales of the two songs outperformed airplay substantially. If you really want to be going down this road, your accusations should be aimed at songs that received huge airplay but sold much fewer than you'd expect. There's plenty of examples out there without targeting songs in the Hot100 with much higher than average sales/million airplay/week.
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Post by Overcome on Jun 9, 2008 19:20:32 GMT -5
Payola buys airplay. Most heavily played songs get good sales. I haven't seen any high airplay songs slumping in digital sales recently.
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Post by 6weeksatnumber7 on Jun 9, 2008 20:47:53 GMT -5
Payola buys airplay. Most heavily played songs get good sales. I haven't seen any high airplay songs slumping in digital sales recently. Bleeding Love was the top selling song in the country whilst only 37th in airplay, languishing over 115m AI behind the top song. There's a pattern of truth beginning to emerge here ...
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Jun 9, 2008 22:02:21 GMT -5
6weeksatnumber7 onestep is never going to change her stance even though she knows she is wrong. You should see her rant on the disturbia thread. Arguing is a lost cause even though you are right.
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Post by awwHALEnahh on Jun 9, 2008 22:11:24 GMT -5
1 LEONA LEWIS Bleeding Love (A+) 2 RIHANNA Take A Bow (B-) 3 RAY J/YUNG BERG Sexy Can I (D) 4 USHER Love In This Club (A) 5 LIL WAYNE Lollipop (A) 6 JORDIN SPARKS No Air (A+) 7 DANITY KANE Damaged (A) 8 JESSE MCCARTNEY Leavin' (B+) 9 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Pocketful Of Sunshine (B+) 10 MADONNA 4 Minutes (B-) 11 COLBIE CAILLAT Realize (A+) 12 KATY PERRY I Kissed A Girl (C) 13 COLBY O'DONIS What You Got (B) 14 METRO STATION Shake It (D) 15 FLYLEAF All Around Me (D) 16 CHRIS BROWN Forever (C-) 17 SARA BAREILLES Love Song (A) 18 MARIAH CAREY Bye Bye (A) 19 ONEREPUBLIC Stop & Stare (A-) 20 MILEY CYRUS See You Again (A) 21 3 DOORS DOWN It's Not My Time (B+) 22 GAVIN DEGRAW In Love With A Girl (A) 23 NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK Summertime (C) 24 MARIAH CAREY Touch My Body (B+) 25 DUFFY Mercy (B) 26 SEAN KINGSTON There's Nothin (C) 27 JOHN MAYER Say (A) 28 BRITNEY SPEARS Break The Ice (B+) 29 MILEY CYRUS 7 Things (B-) 30 PLIES Bust It Baby (Part 2) (B+) 31 TAYLOR SWIFT Our Song (A) 32 SIMPLE PLAN Your Love Is A Lie (B) 33 2 PISTOLS She Got It (B) 34 KID ROCK All Summer Long (D) 35 MAROON 5 If I Never See Your Face Again (B-) 36 SHWAYZE Buzzin (C) 37 ESTELLE American Boy (A) 38 THE SPILL CANVAS All Over You (C) 39 FOREVER THE SICKEST KIDS Whoa Oh (C) 40 SECONDHAND SERENADE Fall For You (C
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Post by John77 on Jun 9, 2008 23:25:44 GMT -5
Regardless of people loving it or not, the song was carried on a pricey gold platform to the top of the charts. Clive Davis and Simon Cowell dug deep into their bank accounts to help this become number 1. Like it or not, that's the truth. The song is mediocre at best, and now that it has been played to high heavens, it is just overly annoying. What's hilarious is you're being serious. Why do people ignore the evidence right before their eyes? Is it sheer laziness, idiocy or both? Of all the songs to make accusations about in the top 40 Bleeding Love should be the last - it's been an incredible worldwide smash, had great reviews, multiple weeks at #1 almost everywhere (in sales only charts) and multi-million sales. In America it hit #1 on iTunes displacing the behometh Usher whilst Ms. Lewis was mid-air across the Atlantic on her way to start the promotion for the single. Sales have out performed airplay massively. Even now 11 weeks after first hitting #1 on the Hot100 overall airplay is still rising though far behind the current #1 Lollipop and far behind the peak of the first song it displaced from #1 on the Hot 100, Usher's Love In This Club. It's four weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 have coincided with the only 4 weeks it was top of the sales chart. It's the only song in the digital era to top 200k sales in a week more than 3 times (it holds the record at 5 weeks). It's the anti-payola of singles. By all means say you dislike the song, by all means explain why, but don't invent bulls**t. Pulse should be and is better than that. Exactly... I'm not one to curse or encourage the use of expletives, but in this case, the use of profanity was DEFINITELY warrented!
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Post by John77 on Jun 9, 2008 23:27:56 GMT -5
No Air probably got to the top the same way, I'm not denying that. Labels usually do dish out payola for singles, that's not uncommon. Are you like on Mars or somewhere?
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Post by Overcome on Jun 9, 2008 23:31:44 GMT -5
That's not recent at all. :/
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Post by Overcome on Jun 9, 2008 23:32:33 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm done with this argument. I personally don't care about Bleeding Love or Leona. Call me over when she releases "Forgive Me". That song is on fire.
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Post by freeman on Jun 10, 2008 8:43:17 GMT -5
Regardless of people loving it or not, the song was carried on a pricey gold platform to the top of the charts. Clive Davis and Simon Cowell dug deep into their bank accounts to help this become number 1. Like it or not, that's the truth. The song is mediocre at best, and now that it has been played to high heavens, it is just overly annoying. YES! Finally someone who I agree with! You are talking about Bleeding Love right?
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Jun 10, 2008 12:03:20 GMT -5
please can we not start this again. all the accusations of payola is ridiculous sans proof. just rate the top 40 as the thread title asks.
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