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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 9, 2009 15:39:22 GMT -5
^ No... the single will only be released to radio. Not available for purchase. The only way you can legally purchase it is to buy the entire album. So basically, MJ has ZERO chance at getting a #1 song. They want people to spend money on the album.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 9, 2009 16:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 9, 2009 16:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 9, 2009 16:06:23 GMT -5
Uh, it's available for digital purchase this Sunday night.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 9, 2009 16:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 9, 2009 16:08:08 GMT -5
^ Oh, wow. I REALLY hope MTV is right! That would be so amazing! MJ had his first #1 in 1972, I think? If he gets another one in 2009, he would be the ONLY artist to have a number one single in 4 different decades! And he would have 37 years between his first and last #1s!
WAIT... Sunday? Then he won't be able to get a #1! Don't they want him to get another #1 song? I don''t understand sony... I could probably run this better than them! >:(
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 9, 2009 16:11:37 GMT -5
^ Oh, wow. I REALLY hope MTV is right! That would be so amazing! MJ had his first #1 in 1972, I think? If he gets another one in 2009, he would be the ONLY artist to have a number one single in 4 different decades! And he would have 37 years between his first and last #1s! WAIT... Sunday? Then he won't be able to get a #1! Don't they want him to get another #1 song? I don''t understand sony... I could probably run this better than them! >:( Sunday at midnight.. so technically Monday. All sales will count towards the same chart.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 9, 2009 16:12:32 GMT -5
Uh, it's available for digital purchase this Sunday night. Now that you've cleared that up. I guess I do have some interest in the single. I hope it sounds like 2009 and not 1991. Sony is even doing a CD single. This one will be HUGE.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 9, 2009 16:17:36 GMT -5
^ Oh, wow. I REALLY hope MTV is right! That would be so amazing! MJ had his first #1 in 1972, I think? If he gets another one in 2009, he would be the ONLY artist to have a number one single in 4 different decades! And he would have 37 years between his first and last #1s! WAIT... Sunday? Then he won't be able to get a #1! Don't they want him to get another #1 song? I don''t understand sony... I could probably run this better than them! >:( Sunday at midnight.. so technically Monday. All sales will count towards the same chart. Hmmmm... on second thought, I actually think MJ already holds the record. You Are Not Alone was in 1995, so that is 23 years distance... I'm not sure if someone has a longer distance between number one songs?
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Post by cyrax on Oct 9, 2009 16:32:11 GMT -5
Ah so there is a digital release after all! But then the actual album becomes so useless then... I wonder if fan complaints made them change their minds because for a while it did seem they want people to buy the album.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 9, 2009 16:41:56 GMT -5
Ah so there is a digital release after all! But then the actual album becomes so useless then... I wonder if fan complaints made them change their minds because for a while it did seem they want people to buy the album. I know I posted a complaint about it on his official forum. I don't know why Sony was even thinking of grifting after all of us generously bought Michael jackson albums in the months since his untimely death. If "TII" isn't on Itunes on the 12th, I won't buy anything at all. That's a promise I will keep. That's no overreaction. I get so pissed when record company's try to milk it like I feel sony is doing right now.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 9, 2009 16:45:23 GMT -5
Sunday at midnight.. so technically Monday. All sales will count towards the same chart. Hmmmm... on second thought, I actually think MJ already holds the record. You Are Not Alone was in 1995, so that is 23 years distance... I'm not sure if someone has a longer distance between number one songs? Cher has #1 records in multiple decades doesn't she?
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Post by cyrax on Oct 9, 2009 17:08:41 GMT -5
Ah so there is a digital release after all! But then the actual album becomes so useless then... I wonder if fan complaints made them change their minds because for a while it did seem they want people to buy the album. I know I posted a complaint about it on his official forum. I don't know why Sony was even thinking of grifting after all of us generously bought Michael jackson albums in the months since his untimely death. If "TII" isn't on Itunes on the 12th, I won't buy anything at all. That's a promise I will keep. That's no overreaction. I get so pissed when record company's try to milk it like I feel sony is doing right now. Sure, I agree with you, I don't think fans should be forced to buy the whole CD, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Sony wanted to do that, being confident with the movie hype and all. Glad they are not, and I'm sure the album will be #1 anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 10:39:43 GMT -5
Hmmmm... on second thought, I actually think MJ already holds the record. You Are Not Alone was in 1995, so that is 23 years distance... I'm not sure if someone has a longer distance between number one songs? Cher has #1 records in multiple decades doesn't she? Yes, Cher's first solo N0.1 was in 1971 with 'Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves' which was N0.1 for two weeks in October that year. She was then N0.1 for four weeks in 1999 with 'Believe', stretching her solo-total to close to 28 years. If you count in her 1965 N0.1 with Sonny "I Got You Babe,' her stretch is close to 34 years. This is a record Michael could easily best these coming weeks. *crosses fingers* Records are meant to be broken, and Michael likes to break 'em (or make 'em).
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Post by shaq91 on Oct 10, 2009 12:23:51 GMT -5
"This Is It" Snippet!!
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 10, 2009 12:36:08 GMT -5
And yeah, the number of MJ compilations is mind boggling: HIStory (1995) First disc of HIStory as Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (2001) Number Ones (2003) The Ultimate Collection (2004) The Essential Michael Jackson (2005) Visionary box set (2006) King Of Pop (2008) This Is It (2009) Like 5-6 songs are on ALL of these and apart from TII each of them has the 10 usual megahits... And that's not even counting the 2001 remasters, Thriller 25, the 3.0 version of Essential and the Collection (5 albums together) released this year or the "2 in 1" packages that gradually appeared between 2004 and 2008... I guess the 30th anniversary re-release of OTW was dropped in favor of TII? Why do they treat his catalogue like this? I'm so confused. Madonna and the Beatles' record companies don't do this! Even when MJ was alive, they were ass raping his catalogue. The media and all those stupid album reviews were always blaming MJ saying he was soooo "desperate" for sales, despite the fact that he promoted NONE of the compilations/remasters/special editions himself. The appaling release of yet ANOTHER GH shows what fans have been saying all along- that it was sony milking it before they had to give him his masters in 2010. Of course, the media will still find a way to blame the dead guy for this new one.
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Post by cyrax on Oct 10, 2009 13:15:23 GMT -5
And yeah, the number of MJ compilations is mind boggling: HIStory (1995) First disc of HIStory as Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (2001) Number Ones (2003) The Ultimate Collection (2004) The Essential Michael Jackson (2005) Visionary box set (2006) King Of Pop (2008) This Is It (2009) Like 5-6 songs are on ALL of these and apart from TII each of them has the 10 usual megahits... And that's not even counting the 2001 remasters, Thriller 25, the 3.0 version of Essential and the Collection (5 albums together) released this year or the "2 in 1" packages that gradually appeared between 2004 and 2008... I guess the 30th anniversary re-release of OTW was dropped in favor of TII? Why do they treat his catalogue like this? I'm so confused. Madonna and the Beatles' record companies don't do this! Even when MJ was alive, they were ass raping his catalogue. The media and all those stupid album reviews were always blaming MJ saying he was soooo "desperate" for sales, despite the fact that he promoted NONE of the compilations/remasters/special editions himself. The appaling release of yet ANOTHER GH shows what fans have been saying all along- that it was sony milking it before they had to give him his masters in 2010. Of course, the media will still find a way to blame the dead guy for this new one. While it's no question that Sony is milking him till the last drop, MJ is also slightly responsible. The Number Ones CD/DVD project was conceived because he did not deliver a studio album, that project was fully supported by him, he even recorded a new song, just like the 2004 box set. But during that the trial started and it's possible after that MJ completely lost interest in making music and Sony knew that. If an artist did not bring new material, their only choice was the repackages. I guess MJ had no input in The Essential plus it's part of a series anyway, but did he really have no input in the likes of Visionary or King Of Pop? Somehow I can't really believe that, I think it was the easier way for him to get royalties from the compilations instead of risking with recording new music. I believe he also fully supported Thriller 25 and it was the first time in years he actually did get some studio work done... What's ironic is that when Essential came out it was a mega flop and nobody blamed MJ because everyone knew it was released by Sony to cash in on him being not guilty, but since his death all of his catalog sales have been outselling albums by new artists, which is why Sony was most likely encouraged again to continue milking, because MJ is now one of the very few artists who still sells a CD... MJ's dozens of compilations might be a laughing stock among music fans and the industry, but I don't think the general public is that concerned about it.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 10, 2009 14:06:36 GMT -5
^ Not sure about that... I've been reading his reviews since the trial, and a ton of them were giving the same ole, same ole taking jabs, dissing his post-Thriller material, calling him desperate. And can we really trust any of MJ's decisions? He was pobably in a drugged up haze when he signed off to these things. These compilations are killing his studios sales. Sony needs to re-issue HIStory disc 2 as a single disc and call it a day. That way, people can own his entire adult catalogue with as little as $70. Before MJ died, you could get his entrie catalogue for less than $40, because everything was so low price. He has a small catalogue, so its actually very easy to own everything. I will never understand the point of buying an MJ compilation- none of his compilations contain everything- something is ALWAYS missing- PYT, Dirty Diana, Scream, They Don't Care about Us, Remember the Time, and In the Closet are missing froms several of these. Also, why do people continue to say all his success is because he died? He was already set to make people a shit load of money with the shows. Anyone could have 1.7 million ticket orders for a residency in a couple of hours? ANYBODY could sell 15 million albums in the 3 months after their death? EVERYONE could slow down the fuckin internet just because they died? Alright, then.
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Post by Tanisha Shaniqua on Oct 10, 2009 15:22:12 GMT -5
Oh... me not like this song. It sounds so corny and dated. I know its an old song but either way. It's just bad... sorry
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Post by Tanisha Shaniqua on Oct 10, 2009 15:22:33 GMT -5
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 10, 2009 16:02:56 GMT -5
Oh... me not like this song. It sounds so corny and dated. I know its an old song but either way. It's just bad... sorry Sony has lost touch with reality. I'm not buying this shit.
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Post by starr on Oct 10, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5
These compilations are killing his studios sales. Sony needs to re-issue HIStory disc 2 as a single disc and call it a day. That way, people can own his entire adult catalogue with as little as $70. Before MJ died, you could get his entrie catalogue for less than $40, because everything was so low price. He has a small catalogue, so its actually very easy to own everything. Sony did that back in 2001. It's called, "Michael Jackson: Greatest Hits HIStory, Volume 1." The CD is available for purchase.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 10, 2009 17:41:29 GMT -5
^ No, I'm talking about disc TWO... who would need disc one? He already has like 50 compilation sets. They need to re-issue Disc 2 as a single studio album, so it can sell more. It contains FOUR European number ones, that is more chart toppers than Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous managed. But its catalogue sales are virtually non existant because of the sky high price tag and unecessary disc of old mateiral attached to it! INVINCIBLE is outselling HIStory for christ's sake. How can Sony be so stupid?!
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Post by Mike Tuinstra on Oct 10, 2009 17:41:42 GMT -5
I like it, sounds good. Nice melodies, clear vocals = good to me. They want to create something memorable here, something that stands the test of time, which is how Michael would've wanted it I'm sure. For universal mass appeal I'm sure this will be greatly received when promoted, apart from his name on the song which promotes itself under these conditions.
You got to understand Michael wasn't a Hip Pop act so it wouldn't be right to have his voice on a track like that. Besides: the general public isn't into that sort of thing. It wouldn't do him justice, having him do a cheap chart entry appealing to a minority group going by what a 00's industry promotes.
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Post by starr on Oct 10, 2009 19:00:18 GMT -5
^ No, I'm talking about disc TWO... who would need disc one? He already has like 50 compilation sets. They need to re-issue Disc 2 as a single studio album, so it can sell more. It contains FOUR European number ones, that is more chart toppers than Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous managed. But its catalogue sales are virtually non existant because of the sky high price tag and unecessary disc of old mateiral attached to it! INVINCIBLE is outselling HIStory for christ's sake. How can Sony be so stupid?! That wouldn't be the right thing to do since MJ packaged the HIStory album as a compilation of his greatest hits with his newest songs for that album. The title of the album is "HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I."
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Oct 10, 2009 19:24:33 GMT -5
HIStory was meant to be a GH package. MJ had just had an amazing 4-album run... sony had already been plannig the release of a GH for him- they wanted to repeat the success of Madonna's "The Immaculate Collection." He was only supposed to attach 3 new songs to the compilation.. But Micahel was so wounded after the mess in 1993, he insisted on attaching an entire new album. So they made a compromise.
SONY understandably wanted to cash in on his catalogue and released Michael Jackson's History- his greatest hits
MICAHEAL wanted to tell HIS Story- an hour long rant against the media- to tell his side.
As I've said already... the album spawned four #1s on the European charts- more than any other album he released. But sales were held back because fans had to pay a whopping $30 for songs they already owned just to get the new stuff. The first CD is extra baggage. Why else would Invincible be outselling HIStory right now? Because you have to buy the GH to get the new stuff... its a waste of money. Obviously, people are just downloading the individual songs on itunes, or getting it illegally and then deleting the 1st disc. Its cutting his album sales, and sony needs to take care of that.
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Post by starr on Oct 10, 2009 22:28:15 GMT -5
"HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I" is a major release that was certified 7X Multi-Platinum by the RIAA. That album is Michael's ninth solo studio album.
When Sony broke that set up in 2001 and re-issued disc 1 as "Greatest Hits: HIStory Volume 1" it charted separately on the charts and was certified Gold by the RIAA.
So it's not a good idea to break that set up again just to get some sales. A one disc set will also chart separately on the charts and will not be added to the totals of the "HIStory" album. Sony's goal should be to get "HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I" more sales so it can get re-certified by the RIAA.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 11, 2009 12:57:37 GMT -5
If I don't every buy another GH from Michael Jackson in the next 100 years it'll be too soon.
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Post by Junkiex on Oct 11, 2009 13:08:10 GMT -5
Finger snaps nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
I'm still gonna buy it. It's MJ after all ;)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 11, 2009 23:22:55 GMT -5
HELL NO I'm not buying this shit. The song is dated and garbage and they didn't at least give me the option to buy the track as a single. Now they put one old throw away track on an album full of songs that appeared on countless other Michael Jackson compilations. NO THANK YOU!
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