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Post by How Do You Do? on Sept 27, 2005 16:42:14 GMT -5
I definitely disagree that How Do You Do is generic, I can't think of another song it sounds like lyrically or musically. I will agree that La Camisa Negra is a unique song. Hollaback Girl is just a novelty song , IMO. It's like this year's Macarena. It's unique, but in a really, really bad way.
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Post by ashley on Sept 27, 2005 17:15:30 GMT -5
The chorus for How Do You Do could be any Hilary Duff, Kelly Clarkson, or any other faux-rock female. Like I said, the only thing that sets it apart is the monks.
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Post by Wolfy on Sept 27, 2005 18:16:36 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree with you more. Remember "Octavo Dia"? That has got to be arguably the most controversial Latin single release of her generation, which also served as the political centerpiece of her Tour of the Mongoose, but it earned her a Grammy and won her even greater respect. Shakira didn't make it big because of her sex appeal; she made it big to begin with because of her songwriting talent. "Pies Descalzos" and "Donde Estan Los Ladrones?" are poetry, with controversial themes in a number of songs ranging from abortion to philosophy, and I think more of her international listeners are finally beginning to understand that. The song's going to do anything but backfire on her. Real fans would know by now she has always leaned liberally in her beliefs and has always been opinionated. Sincerely, Noah Eaton Artistically, "How Do You Do" would make a great 2nd or 3rd single. But I just don’t know if Shakira should gamble with releasing this song in the US. I don’t think her fans would turn on Shakira over the song. I just don’t know if radio would embrace the song. They might not play it just because the monks are praying in the song. The lyrics can also be misinterpreted. When the song leaked people came up with all sorts of conclusions based on the lyrics, everything from Shakira being an atheist to Shakira having Gnosis. I do think the song would help her album sales, but it probably won’t do well on radio. Shakira has released several controversial songs in the Latin genre. "Se Quiere, Se Mata" was also controversial. But, I’m just not sure if US radio is ready for a controversial Shakira.
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Post by Wolfy on Sept 27, 2005 18:46:40 GMT -5
Why is it controversy? Because of the praying part? Shakira is questioning her own religion in the song, that's not a friendly topic on US radio. The praying monks alone will be enough for people to see this song as controversial.
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Post by babyboylrtm on Sept 27, 2005 19:17:09 GMT -5
Artistically, "How Do You Do" would make a great 2nd or 3rd single. But I just don’t know if Shakira should gamble with releasing this song in the US. I don’t think her fans would turn on Shakira over the song. I just don’t know if radio would embrace the song. They might not play it just because the monks are praying in the song. The lyrics can also be misinterpreted. When the song leaked people came up with all sorts of conclusions based on the lyrics, everything from Shakira being an atheist to Shakira having Gnosis. I do think the song would help her album sales, but it probably won’t do well on radio. Shakira has released several controversial songs in the Latin genre. "Se Quiere, Se Mata" was also controversial. But, I’m just not sure if US radio is ready for a controversial Shakira. Totally agree with you.
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Post by Hacorzo on Sept 28, 2005 11:27:38 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to take risks to succeed.
Controversy is what have kept some artists in the spotlight or what separates them from others.
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Post by JayBoozer on Sept 28, 2005 11:36:29 GMT -5
After listening to both Don't Bother and How Do You Do quite a bit, I think How Do You Do would make a great 1st single. It sounds like a smash to me. Don't Bother on the other hand, is a total flop and should never be released. Just because she's copying The Cure is it good? No, not at all. HDYD sounds a lot more original to me. Most nonfans and casual fans seem to either love or like "Don't Bother." Its only the hardcore fans that seem to not like the song, and that's only because they had very high expectations for Shakira. I also don't think its the best song Shakira has ever made, but I do still love the song. Its fun and catchy. I think radio will play this song and it will become a hit. Lots of people hated "La Tortura" when they barely heard it also. The lyrics to "How Do You Do" are too controversial for the song to be a single. Shakira - How Do You DoWhat language do you speak? If you speak at all? Are you some kind of freak Who lives to raise the ones who fall? Hey, would you tell me why The cat fights the dog? Do you go to the mosque or the synagog? And if our fates have all been wrapped around your fingers And if you wrote the script, then why the troublemakers? How do you do How does it feel to be so high and are you happy? Do you ever cry? I sometimes cryYou’ve made mistakes well that’s ok Cuz we all have, and if i forgive yours, would you forgive mine? Forgive us our trespasses As we forgive those who trespass against us Give us this day our daily bread Daily bread Daily bread Thine is the kingdom And the power And the glory AmenHigh expectations? Is it really a high expectation to expect an English single on par with the quality of her Spanish singles? "Don't Bother" is really bad, it's not catchy at all, and her singing style is actually kind of irritating in this song (plus there is talking at some point in the song?).
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Post by Wolfy on Sept 28, 2005 17:59:54 GMT -5
High expectations? Is it really a high expectation to expect an English single on par with the quality of her Spanish singles? "Don't Bother" is really bad, it's not catchy at all, and her singing style is actually kind of irritating in this song (plus there is talking at some point in the song?). Like all songs, there will be people that love it or hate it. It wasn’t what you expected, but lots of people do love the song. Its just not what you expected. I love the song. The feedback the song got on various forums was mostly positive.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 28, 2005 18:03:26 GMT -5
I think its just disappointing to a lot of fans that...well, just that she can do better. She has consistently released unique and/or amazingly catchy music...and then there is this. Once again, the full clip may be a lot better. I could be eating my own words. In the end, it doesnt matter-if a safe, generic song gets her a hit, fine with me, because I know the cd will be amazing!
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Post by allow that on Sept 28, 2005 18:48:38 GMT -5
I think its just disappointing to a lot of fans that...well, just that she can do better. She has consistently released unique and/or amazingly catchy music...and then there is this. I'm not trying to put down Shakira because I do respect her a lot, but as far as her English singles go, where are all these groundbreaking, amazing singles everyone is talking about? "Whenever, Wherever" was very catchy and unique. But aside from that? "Unerneath Your Clothes" was one of the most bland songs ever and any catchy elements it had feel like they were lifted right out of "Eternal Flame." "Objection" was very underwhelming and reminds me of "She Bangs" by Ricky Martin (i.e. novlty). "The One" was another boring song- so boring I don't even remember the hook now. Now "Don't Bother" has some clips out. To me it sounds more different and more of a musical accomplishment than any of her other English language singles. So I fail to understand all the comments in here about how "the standard is so high for Shakira and this falls below it." Because based on her 3/4 of her other English singles, this is so far above them. That's just how I see it at least *shrugs*
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 28, 2005 19:49:46 GMT -5
Thats your opinion and I respect that, but I think every single one of her English singles is better than this one...and her spanish stuff there is NO competition. This song seems to have two polar sides-either people are incredibly disappointed because Shakira can do better, or people are praising how wonderful and "new" sounding it is. Not the end of the world. (though I will note that I have seen more diehard fans dislike it than just casual fans only familiar with her English stuff-and I think that makes sense. Diehards come to expect great things and sometimes that is delivered for them and sometimes its not)
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Post by ashley on Sept 29, 2005 10:26:13 GMT -5
I just cannot understand the negativity towards this song.
What makes Don't Bother any different from Inevitable, Si Te Vas, Fool, Vuelve, The One and many other Shakira songs. They're all pretty conventional rock songs.
This song is of really high quality like all her other songs. I think the only reason people are slagging it off is because it's not another Whenever Wherever.
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Post by Hacorzo on Sept 29, 2005 11:08:04 GMT -5
I have played this to several people without mentioning that is from Shakira. When comparing it to How Do You Do they like Dont Bother better because they said it has more hooks. They were a little bit curious about the kind-of-religious background on What Do You Do but still like Dont Bother better. Because they only heard it twice, they didnt have any comments on the lyrics. I know that is not a scientific poll but it kinds of explains why Dont Bother was selected, for the average person the song seems to be more appealing. Personally I like it more with each additional play. And it is true she has had songs in the past like this one, and people have liked them.
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Post by How Do You Do? on Sept 29, 2005 15:04:36 GMT -5
I just cannot understand the negativity towards this song. What makes Don't Bother any different from Inevitable, Si Te Vas, Fool, Vuelve, The One and many other Shakira songs. They're all pretty conventional rock songs. This song is of really high quality like all her other songs. I think the only reason people are slagging it off is because it's not another Whenever Wherever. There has been lots of complaints of this song that have had nothing to do with it not being another Whenever, Wherever. And what makes Don't Bother different from those other songs, lame lyrics that anyone could have written. All of the other songs you mentioned have quirky lyrical stylings that make it a Shakira song. Shakira is known for her off-beat lyrics, Don't Bother's lyrics are trite and could have been written by anyone. That's the difference.
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Post by ashley on Sept 29, 2005 15:19:56 GMT -5
I think they are quirky...Who else would use the line "she practices Tai Chi" in a song?
And also, we haven't heard the rest yet.
If you wanna slag it off lyrically then fair does really, but musically it's a great song.
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Post by The Black Bird on Sept 29, 2005 16:05:09 GMT -5
As I said before, it's a great song but there's nothing special on it...
I like it, but not for a 1st single.
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Post by babyboylrtm on Sept 29, 2005 16:24:51 GMT -5
Stop with the lyrics already. We haven't heard the whole thing yet so how can you judge a song based on some clip? I have judged the song but not as much as some people have...
To me, Like OC said the lyrics aren't important cuz I can't understand what she's singing anyways.
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Post by Hacorzo on Sept 29, 2005 17:03:32 GMT -5
Dont Bother will be released internationally as well. Here is a list of future Pop singles to be released in the Netherlands published 9/24/05 Wk38: De nieuwste Pop Singles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- De allernieuwste popnummers kun je in onderstaande lijst vinden. Dit is een update van de vorige lijsten die je HIER kunt vinden. De nieuwste singles van de Backstreet Boys, Gwen Stefani, Mariah Carey en Robbie Williams zijn bekend. En de allereerste single van het aankomende Engelstalige album van Shakira Oral Fixation. ALANIS MORISSETTE - Crazy ANNA NALICK - In The Rough BACKSTREET BOYS - Crawling Back To You CHRISTIAN WALZ - Wonderchild CORRS - Heart Like A Wheel / Old Town D.H.T. - Someone DARREN HAYES - So Beautiful ELBOW - Leaders Of The Free World EURYHTMICS - I've Got Life GWEN STEFANI - Luxurious HILARY DUFF - Beat Of My Heart HOPE PARTLOW - Sick Inside JAMES BLUNT - Goodbye My Lover KATE BUSH - King Of The Mountain LEKI - Spread My Wings LINDSAY LOHAN - Confessions Of A Broken Heart LISA SCOTT LEE - Electric LIZ PHAIR - Everything To Me M.I.A. - Galang MARIAH CAREY - Don't Forget About Us MCFLY - I Wanna Hold You MICHAEL JACKSON & FRIENDS - From The Bottom Of My Heart ROB THOMAS - Ever The Same ROBBIE WILLIAMS - Sin Sin Sin SANTANA ft MICHELLE BRANCH - I'm Feelin' You SHAKIRA- Don't Bother SHANIA TWAIN - Shoes SIMON WEBBE - No Worries TEXAS - Can't Resist VERONICAS - 4Ever WESTLIFE & DIANA ROSS - When You Tell Me That You Love Me WILL YOUNG - Switch It On futuremusiccharts.web-log.nl/archief/24/09/2005
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Post by How Do You Do? on Sept 29, 2005 22:57:44 GMT -5
That's great news, thanks.. I wonder if it will get released before the U.S. date.
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Post by Hacorzo on Sept 30, 2005 20:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by How Do You Do? on Sept 30, 2005 21:39:33 GMT -5
Then, it's definitely not leaking ahead of time, damn.
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Post by Wolfy on Oct 1, 2005 17:36:28 GMT -5
PROMOTION FOR THE SINGLE HAS STARTED Radio stations will be available to download the song on October 10th
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Post by babyboylrtm on Oct 1, 2005 17:44:43 GMT -5
I'm loving those banners!
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Post by Granny Madonna on Oct 1, 2005 20:01:04 GMT -5
I cant wait
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Post by Hacorzo on Oct 3, 2005 12:18:24 GMT -5
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Post by joster on Oct 3, 2005 19:41:39 GMT -5
bleh...I love dont bother remembers me of old Shakira :)
cant wait for the full version.
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Post by Hacorzo on Oct 4, 2005 11:44:22 GMT -5
This website list Don't Bother as going for adds on 10/11 on Rythmic/Crossover stations www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=1668710.11-12 Bubba Sparxxx "The Otherside" (Purple Ribbon/Virgin) Jagged Edge f/Voltio "So Amazing" (Sony Music) Mariah Carey "Don't Forget About Us" (Island/IDJMG) Pharrell F/Gwen Stefani "Can I Have It Like That?" (Star Trak/Interscope) Paul Wall "They Don't Know" (Atlantic) Shakira "Don't Bother" (Sony Music) I dont see how they could release this song to rythmic stations without a hip/hop - rap remix. You guys think that there is a remix of this song or maybe the original has some hip-hop fusion into it that we haven't heard ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2005 11:50:58 GMT -5
My biggest fear is that a reggaeton remix will be shipped to rhythmic stations and then pop will also play that one instead.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Oct 4, 2005 11:57:17 GMT -5
If the remix is better than the original, Im all for it. Usually, its not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2005 12:00:12 GMT -5
Well reggaeton remixes don't really have to be released for you to know what it would sound like. It's all the same beat anyway. ;)
...and with people so worried about Shakira showing another side of her, I don't think a reggaeton remix would really help with that.
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