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Post by John77 on Jan 21, 2006 15:37:36 GMT -5
James Blunt at #1!? That will never happen. A quarter of the stations will never put this in high rotation. Um minus, did you miss my little "winkie" in the smiley??? :o Of course, who knows... maybe this song will pull a Gavin DeGraw on us... but I ain't holding my breath... as there is about a 1% chance of that happening...
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Post by JayBoozer on Jan 21, 2006 16:49:17 GMT -5
If a bad Usher rip off like "Shake It Off" can get to #1, this song should have no problem doing the same... :( "Shake it off" only went to number one because of the monster WBT. Radio would play anything by Mariah after WBT. That's debatable. I personally think the song has a strong appeal and holds its own.
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Post by MinusName on Jan 21, 2006 20:18:10 GMT -5
James Blunt at #1!? That will never happen. A quarter of the stations will never put this in high rotation. Um minus, did you miss my little "winkie" in the smiley??? :o Of course, who knows... maybe this song will pull a Gavin DeGraw on us... but I ain't holding my breath... as there is about a 1% chance of that happening... Oh yeah, I guess I did. Sometimes the wink can mean so many different things. I think Gavin DeGraw had more Pop appeal than James Blunt because he was a little more in with the younger demographics. James Blunt seems very mature compared to Gavin, and of course Pop tends to enjoy playing immature music. Gavin of course is not immature, just not as mature as James Blunt.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 21, 2006 20:21:25 GMT -5
"Shake it off" only went to number one because of the monster WBT. Radio would play anything by Mariah after WBT. Um, didn't Heard Em Say flop after Gold Digger spent 10 wks. @ #1?
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Post by perfectsituation on Jan 21, 2006 21:08:50 GMT -5
But "Gold Digger" was a novelty-type song. Songs that are novelties almost never have successfull follow-up singles ala "Hollaback Girl" was huge, but "Cool" really underperformed. WBT was by no way a novelty. Plus it was huge and it broke records, it was obvious that its follow-up would do well.
Also, "Heard 'Em Say" was such a bad single choice. It wasn't catchy or radio-freindly.
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Post by agon666 on Jan 22, 2006 11:57:27 GMT -5
Ugh... Beyonce is the worst #1 since '04.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 22, 2006 14:08:17 GMT -5
But "Gold Digger" was a novelty-type song. Songs that are novelties almost never have successfull follow-up singles ala "Hollaback Girl" was huge, but "Cool" really underperformed. WBT was by no way a novelty. Plus it was huge and it broke records, it was obvious that its follow-up would do well. Also, "Heard 'Em Say" was such a bad single choice. It wasn't catchy or radio-freindly. So, isn't We Belong Together a novelty-type song? The biggest song in radio history. Shake it Off then went #1 in airplay. Also, since when did "Cool" really underpeform? It went top 10 on Pop for 3 wks. and peaked @ #9 in the Pop 100. It just didn't have much longevity.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 22, 2006 15:07:54 GMT -5
Cool was considered to have underperformed. I think people expected at least a top 5 placement and with a LOT more longevity than it had. I wouldnt say WBT is a novelty song, and I do think that she could have released pretty much any song after WBT and it would have been a success. Thats not to discredit SIO-just that after the "fairy tale" of WBT and its success for Mariah, radio would not have flopped a single of hers not matter what it was.
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Post by Libra on Jan 22, 2006 16:29:40 GMT -5
Novelty-type songs don't usually have much serious meaning. To accuse WBT of being such a song is absurd.
How many would have expected a song like Cool to follow Hollaback Girl? There's your reason for its underperforming.
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Post by MinusName on Jan 22, 2006 18:05:17 GMT -5
When I think of novelty-type songs I think of songs that people like for a few months and then get sick of them, (these don't apply to me, because I never liked any of them) but "Laffy Taffy" and "Gold Digger" are good examples, same with "My Humps" and "Hollaback Girl" (which I liked those). They are songs that people will forget all about in a few months. I hardly think "We Belong Together" is a novelty-type song. In my mind, any song you can dance to in the car is a novelty song, that seems to work for the four I mentioned above.
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Post by JayBoozer on Jan 22, 2006 18:46:14 GMT -5
When I think of novelty-type songs I think of songs that people like for a few months and then get sick of them, (these don't apply to me, because I never liked any of them) but "Laffy Taffy" and "Gold Digger" are good examples, same with "My Humps" and "Hollaback Girl" (which I liked those). They are songs that people will forget all about in a few months. I hardly think "We Belong Together" is a novelty-type song. In my mind, any song you can dance to in the car is a novelty song, that seems to work for the four I mentioned above. You don't necessarily forget about novelty songs, that's not what makes them novelty. I'm sure all of us can remember Mambo #5 and The Macarena. I'm also pretty sure a lot of us will remember Gold Digger and My Humps in a few years.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 22, 2006 18:48:33 GMT -5
Yeah...but does anyone honestly listen to the Macarena on a regular basis?
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Post by Arson on Jan 22, 2006 20:18:37 GMT -5
To me, a novelty song sounds a little different, with a quirkiness-humorous factor. Most of the time, they tend to be shorter-lived on the charts since people can't get enough of them and can't get them out of their heads for a short period, before they move on to the next one.
I don't think people forget novelty songs quickly either. Shaggy's "It Wasn't Me" is still played a lot, and I consider that to be a novelty song.
"We Belong Together" is neither funny nor quirky and it's too run-of-the-mill to be a novelty song.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 22, 2006 20:22:00 GMT -5
Cool was considered to have underperformed. I think people expected at least a top 5 placement and with a LOT more longevity than it had. So you might as well say that Shake It Off underperformed. Everyone expected it to hit #1 but it peaked at #2. Does that mean it underperfrmed? No. Just because Cool didn't meet everyone's expectations doesn't mean it underperformed. Since when is Top 10 for 3 wks. underperforming? It also stayed on the chart for 20 wks. and went recurrent. Cool was a hit, period.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 22, 2006 20:30:29 GMT -5
A MINOR hit, which coming off both Rich Girl and HBG seemed even MORE minor. Shake It Off only missed #1 by extraordinary circumstances and I believe hit #1 on three formats and had longevity. Comparing the two situations is more than a little silly...
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 22, 2006 20:42:22 GMT -5
^I'm only comparing it because you said Cool didn't meet people's expectations and underperformed. Just like SIO didn't meet our expectations that it was goin to hit #1 for sure.
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Post by Libra on Jan 22, 2006 20:48:35 GMT -5
Sigh...on the chart we're supposed to be talking about - the R&R Pop chart - it did hit #1, for 5 weeks I might add.
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Post by pubescentmonster on Jan 22, 2006 21:01:44 GMT -5
Anyone think "Everytime We Touch" can go top 5 and maybe even #1?
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Post by pubescentmonster on Jan 22, 2006 21:04:30 GMT -5
Its funny how "Everytime we Touch" has around 23 million audience impressions in the 30's next to songs that have below 12 million impressions
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Post by MinusName on Jan 22, 2006 21:04:41 GMT -5
Anyone think "Everytime We Touch" can go top 5 and maybe even #1? I'd say there is little chance of it going to #1 and even top 5 seems pretty high, but I do think it has a decent shot at top 10.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 22, 2006 21:07:50 GMT -5
^I'm only comparing it because you said Cool didn't meet people's expectations and underperformed. Just like SIO didn't meet our expectations that it was goin to hit #1 for sure. But that was just in extraordinary circumstances. It still hit one on multiple formats and garnered HUGE success in audience numbers and longevity. Thats a little different for me than a song that barely peaks top 10 and has little to no longevity following a song that went to #1 for multiple weeks. Cool underperformed. I think everyone...including the label...thought it would be a LOT bigger than it was. Shake it Off was huge-as huge as it could have been, except for the record breaking downloads of another song causing it to just miss #1 on billboard. (Oh and underperform does NOT equal flop-it just means performing less than generally expected...which Cool did in my opinion) But I guess we will have to agree to disagree on whether Cool underperformed or not.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 22, 2006 21:08:19 GMT -5
Anyone think "Everytime We Touch" can go top 5 and maybe even #1? Man I wish. That would be GREAT.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 22, 2006 22:06:39 GMT -5
Anyone think "Everytime We Touch" can go top 5 and maybe even #1? I would say top 10 would be it. I think it would be great if it did, but I just don't know if pop radio as a whole will embrace this dance track enough.
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Post by top40dj on Jan 22, 2006 23:29:27 GMT -5
Its funny how "Everytime we Touch" has around 23 million audience impressions in the 30's next to songs that have below 12 million impressions Not that funny...New York is playing the beegees out of the song!
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Post by John77 on Jan 23, 2006 0:23:44 GMT -5
Cool was considered to have underperformed. I think people expected at least a top 5 placement and with a LOT more longevity than it had. So you might as well say that Shake It Off underperformed. Everyone expected it to hit #1 but it peaked at #2. Does that mean it underperfrmed? No. Just because Cool didn't meet everyone's expectations doesn't mean it underperformed. Since when is Top 10 for 3 wks. underperforming? It also stayed on the chart for 20 wks. and went recurrent. Cool was a hit, period. Huh??? SIO got to #1... though it was mainly due to living off the returns of WBT... Mariah was #1 for 16 of 17 weeks at one point with a 1 week interruption by DHT (9-9-05)... WBT was #1 for 11 weeks (6-24 thru 9-2) and then SIO was #1 for 5 weeks (9-16 trhu 10-14)... And WBT was definitely NOT a novelty... one of the biggest hits in the history of pop music... you should speak about it in the same breath as "One Sweet Day", "Don't Speak", Billie Jean", "Every Breath You Take" and all of the other MASSIVE hits... and this is coming from someone who only "liked" WBT...
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Post by John77 on Jan 23, 2006 0:26:01 GMT -5
Sigh...on the chart we're supposed to be talking about - the R&R Pop chart - it did hit #1, for 5 weeks I might add. Thanks, Mike for attempting to get this back "on topic"...
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Post by Dan G. on Jan 23, 2006 1:37:05 GMT -5
Here's the final chart data (assuming there are no panel changes and Feel Good Inc remains back in current status)... Like You will go recurrent.
The Pussycat Dolls' Stickwitu spends its second week at the top of the chart.
Two Top-40 Debuts: Gwen Stefani - Crash (#38) Mary J. Blige - Be Without You (#40)
Three Top-50 Debuts: Mary J. Blige - Be Without You (#40) T-Pain - I'm N Luv (Wit A Stripper) (#42) The Goo Goo Dolls - Better Days (#45)
Top Five New & Active: Teddy Geiger - For You I Will (Confidence) (#51) Chris Brown - Yo (Excuse Me Miss) (#52) Chamillionaire - Turn It Up (#55) The Notorious B.I.G. Featuring Jagged Edge, Avery Storm, Diddy & Nelly - Nasty Girl (#56) Sean Paul - Temperature (#57)
Top Five Most-Increased Plays: Ne-Yo - So Sick (+958) Nelly Featuring Paul Wall, Ali & Gipp - Grillz (+873) BeyoncΓ© Featuring Slim Thug - Check On It (+794) Kelly Clarkson - Walk Away (+777) The Black Eyed Peas - Pump It (+749)
Top Five Most-Played Recurrents: Lifehouse - You And Me (2350) Weezer - Beverly Hills (2099) Papa Roach - Scars (1862) Rihanna - Pon de Replay (1560) The Pussycat Dolls Featuring Busta Rhymes - Don't Cha (1506)
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 23, 2006 2:44:52 GMT -5
And WBT was definitely NOT a novelty... one of the biggest hits in the history of pop music... you should speak about it in the same breath as "One Sweet Day", "Don't Speak", Billie Jean", "Every Breath You Take" and all of the other MASSIVE hits... and this is coming from someone who only "liked" WBT...
LOL! You're joking, right?
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Post by John77 on Jan 23, 2006 3:02:08 GMT -5
Um minus, did you miss my little "winkie" in the smiley??? :o Of course, who knows... maybe this song will pull a Gavin DeGraw on us... but I ain't holding my breath... as there is about a 1% chance of that happening... Oh yeah, I guess I did. Sometimes the wink can mean so many different things. I think Gavin DeGraw had more Pop appeal than James Blunt because he was a little more in with the younger demographics. James Blunt seems very mature compared to Gavin, and of course Pop tends to enjoy playing immature music. Gavin of course is not immature, just not as mature as James Blunt. You know, you might have a point there... I could probably use that to rationalize why BOBD was so huge for Green Day and why WMUBSE (while still big) wasn't as big, even though it was a better, more mature song IMHO. Ah well... why try to rationalize it... I think I'll just go back to enjoying some good music... hey there's Anna Nalick now on my Hot AC station... gotta go!
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Post by John77 on Jan 23, 2006 3:03:59 GMT -5
And WBT was definitely NOT a novelty... one of the biggest hits in the history of pop music... you should speak about it in the same breath as "One Sweet Day", "Don't Speak", Billie Jean", "Every Breath You Take" and all of the other MASSIVE hits... and this is coming from someone who only "liked" WBT...
LOL! You're joking, right?Did you see any winky's in my post?
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