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Post by perfectsituation on Jan 26, 2006 19:41:49 GMT -5
Minusname- Stop complaining. lmao. That's all you do, complain about how Urban and Rhythmic music rules. It rules because people LIKE IT. But it's played like crazy on Pop, when in a perfect world, it shouldn't be. More than half the songs in the Top 40 are Rhythmic, the rest are split between pop and rock. Isn't it enough that they're overplayed on Rhythmic and Urban, why does Pop have to overplay it? I'm not saying that Pop shouldn't play Rhythmic songs, but they are playing more than they should and that's why great songs that don't get have a chance on other formats, because they aren't Rhythmic, flop at Pop.
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Post by britrocks16 on Jan 26, 2006 20:46:41 GMT -5
Well isn't the POP format suppose to play POPULAR music?
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Post by Catboy on Jan 26, 2006 20:54:39 GMT -5
Well isn't the POP format suppose to play POPULAR music? the most popular songs of EVERY format not only Rhythmic & Urban.
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Post by britrocks16 on Jan 26, 2006 21:00:05 GMT -5
^But the songs from Rhythmic and Urban are much more popluar than AC/HotAC.
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Post by Catboy on Jan 26, 2006 21:23:24 GMT -5
^But the songs from Rhythmic and Urban are much more popluar than AC/HotAC. that's why there are Rhythmic and Urban formats....who came first: the egg or the chicken
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Post by britrocks16 on Jan 26, 2006 21:26:02 GMT -5
^Umm...lmao. Then why should AC/HotAC get played on Pop if they have formats aswell?
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Post by Catboy on Jan 26, 2006 21:49:09 GMT -5
^Umm...lmao. Then why should AC/HotAC get played on Pop if they have formats aswell? Nobody has said Pop doesn´t have to play Urban & Rhythmic. The problem is there´s an over exposure of this format in Pop. You only see what you want to see. Enough.
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Post by perfectsituation on Jan 26, 2006 22:18:34 GMT -5
Pop should play music from ALL formats. What i don't like is that whatever becomes a hit on Rhythmic and Urban, Pop has to play, Pop never picks up a song on its own. Also they should play what becomes a hit on Hot/AC and Alternative, not just Urban and Rhythmic. And Rhythmic/Urban is more popular these days because this is what kids are exposed to, you barely see any other music being shoved down our throats.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 27, 2006 1:00:13 GMT -5
Whats odd to me is people keep on repeating over and over again that people want to hear RHY and not HOT Ac/AC/Alternative...(except in specific cases) but I see rock acts and mostly Hot Ac/Ac acts getting gold and platinum cds...sometimes selling just as much if not more than some of the rap/urban songs that get 400 billion in audience every week. If no one wants to hear this music, why is it still selling...even with unbelievably smaller amounts of audience per week?
Sales are SO low even with multiple RHY artists getting literally hundreds of millions of audience...why arent they selling better if its "what EVERYONE likes and wants to hear!!!"
I just dont see the leap of logic used there...
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Post by Dee on Jan 27, 2006 3:46:44 GMT -5
Maybe if it was more variation the sales would be higher. See the UK charts and sales.
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Post by MinusName on Jan 27, 2006 8:56:56 GMT -5
Whats odd to me is people keep on repeating over and over again that people want to hear RHY and not HOT Ac/AC/Alternative...(except in specific cases) but I see rock acts and mostly Hot Ac/Ac acts getting gold and platinum cds...sometimes selling just as much if not more than some of the rap/urban songs that get 400 billion in audience every week. If no one wants to hear this music, why is it still selling...even with unbelievably smaller amounts of audience per week? Sales are SO low even with multiple RHY artists getting literally hundreds of millions of audience...why arent they selling better if its "what EVERYONE likes and wants to hear!!!" I just dont see the leap of logic used there... Perfectly said, Anna Nalick went Gold alone without any support from the Pop format, Coldplay sold 3 million with a minor hit at Pop and everything else coming from Alternative, yet Gwen Stefani has only sold 3 million despite having 6 singles on Pop and several crossing over to Rhythmic and Hot AC. Not like I really like Coldplay, but I think Love Plastic Love makes a good point. Even Ashlee Simpson went platinum, but the PCD have only gone Gold despite having 2 huge hits, while Ashlee has had 2 flops. Carrie Underwood and Nickelback both appear to be doing just as well, if not better, than what Kayne West is doing with his latest album, they have all sold 2 million, but Kayne is already sliding down the chart, I understand that the former 2 haven't been out nearly as long, but they've already sold 2 million, and not only that, but the former 2 artists aren't getting Grammy and magazine support out the rear like some people are.
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Post by Libra on Jan 27, 2006 9:15:15 GMT -5
Whats odd to me is people keep on repeating over and over again that people want to hear RHY and not HOT Ac/AC/Alternative...(except in specific cases) but I see rock acts and mostly Hot Ac/Ac acts getting gold and platinum cds...sometimes selling just as much if not more than some of the rap/urban songs that get 400 billion in audience every week. If no one wants to hear this music, why is it still selling...even with unbelievably smaller amounts of audience per week? Sales are SO low even with multiple RHY artists getting literally hundreds of millions of audience...why arent they selling better if its "what EVERYONE likes and wants to hear!!!" I just dont see the leap of logic used there... I know - it's a beyond dead horse.
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Post by GiggaWho on Jan 27, 2006 11:15:35 GMT -5
Whats odd to me is people keep on repeating over and over again that people want to hear RHY and not HOT Ac/AC/Alternative...(except in specific cases) but I see rock acts and mostly Hot Ac/Ac acts getting gold and platinum cds...sometimes selling just as much if not more than some of the rap/urban songs that get 400 billion in audience every week. If no one wants to hear this music, why is it still selling...even with unbelievably smaller amounts of audience per week? Sales are SO low even with multiple RHY artists getting literally hundreds of millions of audience...why arent they selling better if its "what EVERYONE likes and wants to hear!!!" I just dont see the leap of logic used there... I don't know. I kind of see it like what happens when I watch TV. I watch (and like) a lot of shows, but there are only some shows that are important enough to me to TiVo. And even fewer that I will later go out and buy on DVD. That doesn't mean I don't like the shows I don't TiVo or buy on DVD, because I do, it's just for one reason or the other I don't feel the need to make an extra effort with them. You know? Like I enjoy the song "Stay Fly" and dance along to it every time it comes on the radio. But I haven't downloaded it or bought the album. Maybe because it doesn't feel substantial, like something I think I'd like to listen to two years down the road when it comes up on shuffle on my iPod. It's just a fun song for the moment. "Dirty Little Secret", however, I downloaded immediately and later bought the album. So go figure.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 27, 2006 15:08:20 GMT -5
I understand that Gigga, but if sales are so crappy...why wouldnt they play music that they know will sell more? Or at least...statistically seem as if they would sell more. If a band can go platinum on mere Alternative play, think of what could happen if they went top 10 on pop.... It just seems like they play rhy music INSANELY out of proportion as compared to what is popular on Alternative and Hot Ac...even if the rock/hot ac crowd is selling just as much or extremely well for the almost embarassingly smaller amount of audience they get.
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Post by Slinky on Jan 27, 2006 15:28:30 GMT -5
You can look at it from the opposite angle too though: If rock is so popular and selling so well, shouldn't the Alternative format be doing a lot better? Fact is, in most of the country Rhythmic and Urban formats do better than any other current music format. There's a disconnect there.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 27, 2006 15:47:26 GMT -5
Why are all the bullets down? ???
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Post by perfectsituation on Jan 27, 2006 15:59:52 GMT -5
Yeah, in the morning they were MUCH higher... weird.
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Post by MinusName on Jan 27, 2006 16:16:45 GMT -5
This has got to be some kind of mediabase screw up. All-American Rejects went from a bullet this morning to -395 this afternoon. The Jump chart is still normal though. Maybe they are removing stations or something.
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Post by pubescentmonster on Jan 27, 2006 16:17:15 GMT -5
yeh Yonka is #1 but she has almost lost her bullet now..
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Post by britrocks16 on Jan 27, 2006 16:27:00 GMT -5
Mariah went from -1400 to -1960! Is this the greatest losses EVER? I think so.
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Post by perfectsituation on Jan 27, 2006 16:32:42 GMT -5
LOL, for the last time, it's an ERROR.
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Post by GiggaWho on Jan 27, 2006 17:30:38 GMT -5
I understand that Gigga, but if sales are so crappy...why wouldnt they play music that they know will sell more? Or at least...statistically seem as if they would sell more. If a band can go platinum on mere Alternative play, think of what could happen if they went top 10 on pop.... It just seems like they play rhy music INSANELY out of proportion as compared to what is popular on Alternative and Hot Ac...even if the rock/hot ac crowd is selling just as much or extremely well for the almost embarassingly smaller amount of audience they get. I think the reason they don't play music that they know will sell more is because radio doesn't care about sales. At least not in that way. Radio makes its money (if you don't count payola ;)) from ad revenue. Advertisers pay based on the number (and sometimes demographics) of listeners. So it doesn't really matter to radio if the songs translate to sales, so long as they translate to listeners.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 27, 2006 19:29:40 GMT -5
That makes sense. Kind of sucks that better artists with better songs that would become bigger stars with better album sales are getting shunned for 10 million novelty r&b hits. (Or...some cannot even be catchy enough to be called novelty ) Ill go grumble somewhere else though ;) (I do have to say that I am very happy that a few surprising songs seem to be on the rise-especially Blunty)
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 27, 2006 21:44:11 GMT -5
LOL, for the last time, it's an ERROR. Huh? What's an error?
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Post by Catboy on Jan 27, 2006 21:53:48 GMT -5
That makes sense. Kind of sucks that better artists with better songs that would become bigger stars with better album sales are getting shunned for 10 million novelty r&b hits. (Or...some cannot even be catchy enough to be called novelty ) Ill go grumble somewhere else though ;) (I do have to say that I am very happy that a few surprising songs seem to be on the rise-especially Blunty) Absolutely true.
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Post by GiggaWho on Jan 27, 2006 22:06:53 GMT -5
LOL, for the last time, it's an ERROR. Huh? What's an error? It looks like all of the bullets went down by about 300 at the noon update.
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Post by top40dj on Jan 27, 2006 22:08:04 GMT -5
76 67 SHAKIRA La Tortura (f/ Aleja... 2005 Epic 202 167 35 7.748
Go Shakira...go for that one year on the chart in the top 100 :)
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Post by Slinky on Jan 27, 2006 22:52:36 GMT -5
R&R announced that they're dropping all the Cumulus stations from their panel because Cumulus has stopped reporting adds. Might that be the reason for the sudden drop?
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Post by perfectsituation on Jan 27, 2006 23:04:22 GMT -5
What are Cumulus stations?
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 28, 2006 0:09:38 GMT -5
What are Cumulus stations? they're a radio conglomerate that own a bunch of radio stations; like Clear Channel but smaller. earlier this week their CEO said they were no longer going to publicly report their playlists and adds, supposedly so their stations could have more freedom to program and not be a slave to the charts all the time (interesting concept). in retaliation, R&R took off all their stations from the official (h1r) panel.
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